Canon R7 vs Sony a6700

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Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.

The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?

Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
 
Both are great options. I would choose based on available native lenses (I don't like using adapters). And also ergonomy of the bodies, which are quite different. I'm primarily Sony user, I allways need L grip for their smaller A6XX or A7c bodies.
 
About a year or so I go I began researching my first "real" camera, and came to the same dilemma - a6700 or R7. My primary needs were different though, with action telephoto being my primary focus (airshows and wildlife). I research for many months, both the cameras and about a bazillion lenses (mostly for Sony, obviously, as there weren't many Canon lenses to research). I went for the a6700 for a number of reasons.

Size was a primary reason, and as the smaller camera, the a6700 was the obvious winner for me. Not just the size of the camera, but the size of the lenses I had to choose from.

Autofocus was another category where the a6700 won. I never saw anything bad about the R7, but everything I saw about the a6700, other cameras with the same Bionz XR processor, and just Sony in general, I knew I'd have a better time with the a6700. And I can tell you that the AF on it is absolutely ridiculous - I've only used it on aircraft and animals, and while it doesn't do great with lizards, it's amazing with birds and mammals. With aircraft it actually tries to center focus on the cockpit as though it's the "eye" of the plane, just like it does with animals and humans (and if it's not the cockpit it's the whole aircraft).

Speed was a concern, and although the R7 has faster framerates, it suffers with its shutter modes in a way that wasn't acceptable for me. Electronic shutter suffers from a slow readout speed, causing slants with panning and typical wobble/bending/fragmenting that you see with rolling shutter. No big deal for me since I expected to shoot mechanical shutter. However I saw lots of reports of shutter shock with the mechanical shutter, where the force of the shutter causes internal vibration that shakes the sensor. If you're shooting stills, the electronic shutter should suffice for you. The faster 15fps of the mechanical shutter vs the 11fps on the a6700 may or may not improve the "keeper" rate, but it was my instinct that even with the slower a6700 I'd have more keepers because of the better AF and less worry of shutter shock.

The biggest concern was the available lenses. In my case, with long telephoto zooms, the Sony was the obvious and really the only choice (for my size/weight preferences as well as my budget). However it was the availability of the other lenses that really sealed the deal for me. Now, at that time, when I finally made my purchase (in November), only the Sigma f1.4 prime trio was available. I needed a good wide angle zoom, and the Sigma f2.8 10-18mm was not available for Canon. Nor was any superzoom, which I was considering (and still have not purchased), nor was there a good "standard" zoom. Now those lenses are available, including the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 "standard" zoom (I wish the Tamron 17-70mm was though).

Even with the additional 3rd party APS-C lenses available for RF mount, the selection is what I'd consider barely adequate for general use; you're still stuck with what's available with no other option than that small handful, and while they're good, they might not be the lens you wished you had. It's also lacking in some specific lenses that are available for other mounts, but not for Canon RF.

As for adapting, I'd only bother adapting Canon's own EF mount lenses and wouldn't expect frustration-free results with 3rd party lenses or lenses meant for other brands.

I will point out that Canon is working on the R7 Mark II. Could be soon, might be closer to the end of the year. Word is that it'll be more "premium" (and thus more expensive), and that it'll fix the shutter issues with the R7. Everyone in the rumor biz thinks it'll at least get a stacked sensor for faster framerates and less rolling shutter. Some think that it'll even do without the mechanical shutter, which if true means that the electronic shutter and readout speeds will be good enough that the mechanical shutter is indeed unnecessary. Of course, it'll still suffer with the limited lens selection. To me it seems like the Mk II will be catering more towards the wildlife/action shooters that like using a crop sensor body with supertelephoto lenses for the extra "reach" without the issues of using a teleconverter. Plenty of Canon R6 and R5 users also have the R7 for exactly that reason and are eagerly awaiting the MkII. While that doesn't appear to be what you'd be using the camera for, an upgraded camera is either good for you because it's better, or it's good for you because the older model will be cheaper.

I'm actually very eagerly awaiting the R7 Mk II, which I very well might purchase, depending on its actual specs, and subsequent reviews. However that'd be very specifically for aircraft/wildlife shooting, and with the 100-500mm (unless the Tamron 50-400mm miraculously is released for RF). I'd most likely keep my a6700 too for other use (because of its size, other lenses, etc).

As for other options, is there a reason you've ruled out Fuji? Granted, Fuji's autofocus is known to be not as good as other brands. If you're not shooting fast action though it should be adequate, and the lens selection is excellent. Lots of 3rd party options (although not as much as Sony), and their own lenses are great too. Check out the X-T50.

And finally, have you ruled out full frame as an option? You could pick up an older A7 III for about the same price, and while FF lenses are generally larger and more expensive that APS-C, for E-mount there's no shortage of 3rd party lenses that are way less expensive than Sony's...or Canon's or Nikon's. While you can still get that shallow depth of field with a large aperture APS-C lens, full frame will always be king in that regard (we'll ignore medium format for purposes of this discussion). I'm guessing you've already dismissed Nikon as an option - the Z50 II probably won't be adequate for you. The Z6 III is an amazing camera for its cost, and puts other "budget" full frame cameras to shame, but it's more expensive than the R7 and a6700, and then there's the cost of the lenses. A used Canon R6 or R5 (older versions) can be had for a good price too, but again there's the cost of the lenses.

All that said, the a6700 is probably the way to go, if only for the lens selection. It's not without its disadvantages. One of which is also an advantage, being its small size. However, that means there's not much grip to hold on to - your pinky finger will be dangling. This can easily be augmented with one of the Smallrig baseplates. The other most obvious disadvantage is the viewfinder. It's smallish and off to the side. I'd say it's adequately sized, but bigger would be better. The positioning may or may not be an issue for you. It kinda bugs me because it's not centered, which makes finding the subject and tracking it less instinctual, but that only really matters for fast action.

I love my a6700, and have zero regrets or doubts that I made the right decision. My only "regrets" are that the "perfect" camera/lens combo for doesn't exist yet. I wish Sony made an APS-C camera that was more like the R7, and/or that Canon had a mid-level supertelephto that was place between the cheap RF 100-400mm and the very expensive RF 100-500mm. But that's my problem, not yours.
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.
Both of those are apsc cmeras.
For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.
Moving to primes just be aware the aperture value will effectively be 1.5-1.6x less effective at shallow depth of field on apsc. So an f2 lens on an apsc body will give around the equivalent of a ff at f3 - a little less shallow than a 2.8 zoom. The 1.4 primes will be more like f2.1 in depth of field. Given this you may want to reconsider the models in question unless because of video you expect to be in super35 crop all the time on ff video (some offer ff video but it varies widely).
The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?
Quite a few people have said the ergonomics of the r7 put them off. I don’t have personal interaction with it.
Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
The a6600 I have in addition to my ff Sony cameras is nice. I would caution that the grip is not as full and easy to hold with larger lenses. It’s not a disaster, just something to consider.
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.
Sony user here with only limited insight to the video differences.
The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?
My understanding is Canon mirrorless does well adapting Canon dslr lenses. since you may have suitable dslr lenses, that could be a plus.
Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.
Canon hasn't been growing its mirrorless lens selection as long as Sony and Sony is open to 3rd party lens offerings. For either, it might be worth spending some hands-on time to see if you like the feel and handling. Not everyone likes the Sony aps-c body style. I almost always have an Arca Swiss baseplate or L bracket on my bodies and find that's good for the grip/handling of my A6700. The rear lcd panel on the Sony hinges on the left side and that interferes with using a typical L bracket. If leaning towards video, there are cages, half cages, etc., which also fit for grip and accessory and video seldom needs "portrait." So not sure how "L bracket" impacts you.
I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.

The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?

Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
The Canon R7 and Sony A6700 are both APS-C. The Canon system has an abysmal choice in term of APS-C lenses, on the positive side it has access to the new Sigma 17-40 f/1.8.

Sony has better APS-C lenses choices but clearly they're not invested in it anymore and it's aging. The A6700 also suffers from being a Sony and its (subjectively) atrocious ergonomic.

I'd look at a Nikon Z50 II or a Fujifilm X-T5, the later being the best systems for APS-C lenses choices.
 
The Canon R7 sensor is superior to the A6700.

If/when I switch to mirrorless I will adapt my current set of 12 premium lenses. I currently use Canon EF mount lenses.

I much prefer the vast used market of EF mount lenses over the extremely limited range of Sony lenses, plus third party lenses.

For APS-C I would choose Canon RF over Sony, but oddly enough, for fullframe, I would have to seriously consider Sony over Canon. I could see a scenario where I'd have one of each to use with my current lenses.

There are only a couple of Sony only third party lenses that could be interesting.

I don't think any manufacturer has produced a full range of APS-C lenses so using full frame lenses on APS-C has always been the norm for me over the past 18 years. For the most part I have shot FF and APS-C side by side so having only FF lenses has been a huge advantage.
 
Both are great options. I would choose based on available native lenses (I don't like using adapters). And also ergonomy of the bodies, which are quite different. I'm primarily Sony user, I allways need L grip for their smaller A6XX or A7c bodies.
Thank you so much. Appreciate your insight.
 
Hi, first of all thank you so much for your detailed reply. It’s amazing
About a year or so I go I began researching my first "real" camera, and came to the same dilemma - a6700 or R7. My primary needs were different though, with action telephoto being my primary focus (airshows and wildlife). I research for many months, both the cameras and about a bazillion lenses (mostly for Sony, obviously, as there weren't many Canon lenses to research). I went for the a6700 for a number of reasons.

Size was a primary reason, and as the smaller camera, the a6700 was the obvious winner for me. Not just the size of the camera, but the size of the lenses I had to choose from.

Autofocus was another category where the a6700 won. I never saw anything bad about the R7, but everything I saw about the a6700, other cameras with the same Bionz XR processor, and just Sony in general, I knew I'd have a better time with the a6700. And I can tell you that the AF on it is absolutely ridiculous - I've only used it on aircraft and animals, and while it doesn't do great with lizards, it's amazing with birds and mammals. With aircraft it actually tries to center focus on the cockpit as though it's the "eye" of the plane, just like it does with animals and humans (and if it's not the cockpit it's the whole aircraft).

Speed was a concern, and although the R7 has faster framerates, it suffers with its shutter modes in a way that wasn't acceptable for me. Electronic shutter suffers from a slow readout speed, causing slants with panning and typical wobble/bending/fragmenting that you see with rolling shutter. No big deal for me since I expected to shoot mechanical shutter. However I saw lots of reports of shutter shock with the mechanical shutter, where the force of the shutter causes internal vibration that shakes the sensor. If you're shooting stills, the electronic shutter should suffice for you. The faster 15fps of the mechanical shutter vs the 11fps on the a6700 may or may not improve the "keeper" rate, but it was my instinct that even with the slower a6700 I'd have more keepers because of the better AF and less worry of shutter shock.
thank you! I never knew about shutter shock actually.
The biggest concern was the available lenses. In my case, with long telephoto zooms, the Sony was the obvious and really the only choice (for my size/weight preferences as well as my budget). However it was the availability of the other lenses that really sealed the deal for me. Now, at that time, when I finally made my purchase (in November), only the Sigma f1.4 prime trio was available. I needed a good wide angle zoom, and the Sigma f2.8 10-18mm was not available for Canon. Nor was any superzoom, which I was considering (and still have not purchased), nor was there a good "standard" zoom. Now those lenses are available, including the Sigma 18-50mm f2.8 "standard" zoom (I wish the Tamron 17-70mm was though).

Even with the additional 3rd party APS-C lenses available for RF mount, the selection is what I'd consider barely adequate for general use; you're still stuck with what's available with no other option than that small handful, and while they're good, they might not be the lens you wished you had. It's also lacking in some specific lenses that are available for other mounts, but not for Canon RF.
id agree with you on this one.
As for adapting, I'd only bother adapting Canon's own EF mount lenses and wouldn't expect frustration-free results with 3rd party lenses or lenses meant for other brands.

I will point out that Canon is working on the R7 Mark II. Could be soon, might be closer to the end of the year. Word is that it'll be more "premium" (and thus more expensive), and that it'll fix the shutter issues with the R7. Everyone in the rumor biz thinks it'll at least get a stacked sensor for faster framerates and less rolling shutter. Some think that it'll even do without the mechanical shutter, which if true means that the electronic shutter and readout speeds will be good enough that the mechanical shutter is indeed unnecessary. Of course, it'll still suffer with the limited lens selection. To me it seems like the Mk II will be catering more towards the wildlife/action shooters that like using a crop sensor body with supertelephoto lenses for the extra "reach" without the issues of using a teleconverter. Plenty of Canon R6 and R5 users also have the R7 for exactly that reason and are eagerly awaiting the MkII. While that doesn't appear to be what you'd be using the camera for, an upgraded camera is either good for you because it's better, or it's good for you because the older model will be cheaper.

I'm actually very eagerly awaiting the R7 Mk II, which I very well might purchase, depending on its actual specs, and subsequent reviews. However that'd be very specifically for aircraft/wildlife shooting, and with the 100-500mm (unless the Tamron 50-400mm miraculously is released for RF). I'd most likely keep my a6700 too for other use (because of its size, other lenses, etc).

As for other options, is there a reason you've ruled out Fuji? Granted, Fuji's autofocus is known to be not as good as other brands. If you're not shooting fast action though it should be adequate, and the lens selection is excellent. Lots of 3rd party options (although not as much as Sony), and their own lenses are great too. Check out the X-T50.
Yes Fujifilm I tend to rule out. Thanks for bringing it up. Autofocus is very important to me since I never know when I shoot fast action as part of my general shooting.
And finally, have you ruled out full frame as an option? You could pick up an older A7 III for about the same price, and while FF lenses are generally larger and more expensive that APS-C, for E-mount there's no shortage of 3rd party lenses that are way less expensive than Sony's...or Canon's or Nikon's. While you can still get that shallow depth of field with a large aperture APS-C lens, full frame will always be king in that regard (we'll ignore medium format for purposes of this discussion). I'm guessing you've already dismissed Nikon as an option - the Z50 II probably won't be adequate for you. The Z6 III is an amazing camera for its cost, and puts other "budget" full frame cameras to shame, but it's more expensive than the R7 and a6700, and then there's the cost of the lenses. A used Canon R6 or R5 (older versions) can be had for a good price too, but again there's the cost of the lenses.
i actually would love the a7 III, except it doesn’t shoot 10 bit 4:2:2. Your thoughts on that?
All that said, the a6700 is probably the way to go, if only for the lens selection. It's not without its disadvantages. One of which is also an advantage, being its small size. However, that means there's not much grip to hold on to - your pinky finger will be dangling. This can easily be augmented with one of the Smallrig baseplates. The other most obvious disadvantage is the viewfinder. It's smallish and off to the side. I'd say it's adequately sized, but bigger would be better. The positioning may or may not be an issue for you. It kinda bugs me because it's not centered, which makes finding the subject and tracking it less instinctual, but that only really matters for fast action.

I love my a6700, and have zero regrets or doubts that I made the right decision. My only "regrets" are that the "perfect" camera/lens combo for doesn't exist yet. I wish Sony made an APS-C camera that was more like the R7, and/or that Canon had a mid-level supertelephto that was place between the cheap RF 100-400mm and the very expensive RF 100-500mm. But that's my problem, not yours.
Thank you once again
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.
Both of those are apsc cmeras.
For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.
Moving to primes just be aware the aperture value will effectively be 1.5-1.6x less effective at shallow depth of field on apsc. So an f2 lens on an apsc body will give around the equivalent of a ff at f3 - a little less shallow than a 2.8 zoom. The 1.4 primes will be more like f2.1 in depth of field. Given this you may want to reconsider the models in question unless because of video you expect to be in super35 crop all the time on ff video (some offer ff video but it varies widely).
The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?
Quite a few people have said the ergonomics of the r7 put them off. I don’t have personal interaction with it.
Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
The a6600 I have in addition to my ff Sony cameras is nice. I would caution that the grip is not as full and easy to hold with larger lenses. It’s not a disaster, just something to consider.
Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.
Sony user here with only limited insight to the video differences.
The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?
My understanding is Canon mirrorless does well adapting Canon dslr lenses. since you may have suitable dslr lenses, that could be a plus.
Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.
Canon hasn't been growing its mirrorless lens selection as long as Sony and Sony is open to 3rd party lens offerings. For either, it might be worth spending some hands-on time to see if you like the feel and handling. Not everyone likes the Sony aps-c body style. I almost always have an Arca Swiss baseplate or L bracket on my bodies and find that's good for the grip/handling of my A6700. The rear lcd panel on the Sony hinges on the left side and that interferes with using a typical L bracket. If leaning towards video, there are cages, half cages, etc., which also fit for grip and accessory and video seldom needs "portrait." So not sure how "L bracket" impacts you.
I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
Thanks for the advice!
 
The Canon R7 sensor is superior to the A6700.

If/when I switch to mirrorless I will adapt my current set of 12 premium lenses. I currently use Canon EF mount lenses.

I much prefer the vast used market of EF mount lenses over the extremely limited range of Sony lenses, plus third party lenses.

For APS-C I would choose Canon RF over Sony, but oddly enough, for fullframe, I would have to seriously consider Sony over Canon. I could see a scenario where I'd have one of each to use with my current lenses.

There are only a couple of Sony only third party lenses that could be interesting.

I don't think any manufacturer has produced a full range of APS-C lenses so using full frame lenses on APS-C has always been the norm for me over the past 18 years. For the most part I have shot FF and APS-C side by side so having only FF lenses has been a huge advantage.
Thank you for your opinions.
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.

The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?

Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
The Canon R7 and Sony A6700 are both APS-C. The Canon system has an abysmal choice in term of APS-C lenses, on the positive side it has access to the new Sigma 17-40 f/1.8.

Sony has better APS-C lenses choices but clearly they're not invested in it anymore and it's aging. The A6700 also suffers from being a Sony and its (subjectively) atrocious ergonomic.

I'd look at a Nikon Z50 II or a Fujifilm X-T5, the later being the best systems for APS-C lenses choices.
Thanks for the suggestion. The Nikon one seems interesting
 
Hi, first of all thank you so much for your detailed reply. It’s amazing
As for other options, is there a reason you've ruled out Fuji? Granted, Fuji's autofocus is known to be not as good as other brands. If you're not shooting fast action though it should be adequate, and the lens selection is excellent. Lots of 3rd party options (although not as much as Sony), and their own lenses are great too. Check out the X-T50.
Yes Fujifilm I tend to rule out. Thanks for bringing it up. Autofocus is very important to me since I never know when I shoot fast action as part of my general shooting.
No offense, but if you ruled out Fujifilm solely based on autofocus, which is professionally used for wildlife and actions (yes, less common than Canon, Sony or Nikon), then you take the risk of missing what COULD work for you. It's a bit like saying you don't want a corvette (or ferrari or whatever) because it's not the fastest car on the planet: yes that's true but it's already super good enough and you'll be mostly driving on the highway anyway...

To make my reasoning more clear:
  • On one side Fujifilm offers the fastest sensor readout and fps at affordable price: the X-H2S. To get matching specs you need to turn to Canon R1, Sony A1 II and such...
  • On the other side its X-Trans V, found on the X-H2, X-T5, X-T50 and X-E5, is the highest definition of any APS-C sensor, giving superior crop versatility than any other APS-C (second in rank being Canon R7).
  • Therefore it has serious arguments... I am not claiming it is the solution, but if you think the AF is gonna be a problem, then you need a Canon R1, Sony A1 II or A9 III, these are the only bodies that have a chance are being significantly better...
 
Hi, first of all thank you so much for your detailed reply. It’s amazing
As for other options, is there a reason you've ruled out Fuji? Granted, Fuji's autofocus is known to be not as good as other brands. If you're not shooting fast action though it should be adequate, and the lens selection is excellent. Lots of 3rd party options (although not as much as Sony), and their own lenses are great too. Check out the X-T50.
Yes Fujifilm I tend to rule out. Thanks for bringing it up. Autofocus is very important to me since I never know when I shoot fast action as part of my general shooting.
No offense,
Don’t worry, I understand you mean well :)
but if you ruled out Fujifilm solely based on autofocus, which is professionally used for wildlife and actions (yes, less common than Canon, Sony or Nikon), then you take the risk of missing what COULD work for you. It's a bit like saying you don't want a corvette (or ferrari or whatever) because it's not the fastest car on the planet: yes that's true but it's already super good enough and you'll be mostly driving on the highway anyway...
you actually brought up a good analogy
To make my reasoning more clear:
  • On one side Fujifilm offers the fastest sensor readout and fps at affordable price: the X-H2S. To get matching specs you need to turn to Canon R1, Sony A1 II and such...
  • On the other side its X-Trans V, found on the X-H2, X-T5, X-T50 and X-E5, is the highest definition of any APS-C sensor, giving superior crop versatility than any other APS-C (second in rank being Canon R7).
  • Therefore it has serious arguments... I am not claiming it is the solution, but if you think the AF is gonna be a problem, then you need a Canon R1, Sony A1 II or A9 III, these are the only bodies that have a chance are being significantly better...
thank you so much for your points
 
I'd be looking really hard at the X-H2S myself if I read better things about Fuji's autofocus. Even DPR's review said it had trouble focusing even as it was doing a great job at tracking. However, EXIF on their photos show it was using the 50-140mm lens, which is 11 freaking years old, so perhaps that's part of the problem? The likely telephoto lens that I'd likely use is the 100-400mm which is about 9 years old and reportedly a bit lacking in sharpness, so that's not promising. Even with new lenses though, reviewers (Dustin Abbot, for example) still lament Fuji's autofocus being sub-par compared to Canon and Sony. It does have, for example, "only" 425 autofocus points (still a lot) vs 759 on the a6700 and 651 on the R7. I don't know if the less reliable AF is because of fewer AF points, less developed algorithms, or old lenses, but the end result means I probably won't get a Fuji, at least just yet.

Otherwise, the X-H2S seems like the camera that I wish Sony would make, being a pro-level APS-C action camera like everybody made in the DSLR days. It is, at least until the R7 Mk II comes out (if rumors are true), the only stacked sensor APS-C camera, it has a CFe card slot, big buffer, big viewfinder, etc.

Getting away from my musings and back to the OP, the X-T50 is more in line with his price point and needs. However, DPR's own review says that it's "Not so good for: People hoping to shoot sports or fast-moving wildlife Parents of especially active children". So yeah...I'd be looking past this camera too if I were him.

@WongRQ - you asked me about video. I can't comment on that; I have little interest in video, haven't bothered taking video, and haven't researched it. Sorry.
 
Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.

The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?

Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
The Canon adapter for older EF lenses is just a metal ring with contacts. The Canon EF lenses work great on my Canon R5 mirrorless
 
I'd be looking really hard at the X-H2S myself if I read better things about Fuji's autofocus. Even DPR's review said it had trouble focusing even as it was doing a great job at tracking. However, EXIF on their photos show it was using the 50-140mm lens, which is 11 freaking years old, so perhaps that's part of the problem? The likely telephoto lens that I'd likely use is the 100-400mm which is about 9 years old and reportedly a bit lacking in sharpness, so that's not promising. Even with new lenses though, reviewers (Dustin Abbot, for example) still lament Fuji's autofocus being sub-par compared to Canon and Sony. It does have, for example, "only" 425 autofocus points (still a lot) vs 759 on the a6700 and 651 on the R7. I don't know if the less reliable AF is because of fewer AF points, less developed algorithms, or old lenses, but the end result means I probably won't get a Fuji, at least just yet.
I think DPReview AF tests are kinda old? Fujifilm did a major update of its autofocus last November, and since then I've seen a sharp increase in accuracy: from 20%-30% in low-light & "action"(kids playing / skiing, etc.) to 80%+ . Now, I don't know if 80%+ is enough for one's use, but it seems hard to believe it'd be that bad.

For Birds-In-Flight or other wildlife, people have figured out AF tweaks - i.e. what mode to use for best results - that makes it very reliable it seems.

Another thing I am not certain DPReview has done is to activate the "Boost"mode on Fuji's cameras, which should have been call "normal"... Dustin Abbott definitely doesn't test Fuji's AF with proper settings - not a blame, that's how he tests, with default settings.

My points of comparison are:
  • The Canon R7, that I have used for candid day shooting and birds. I can't say it's worse, I can't say it's superior to my X-T5, for my level. Lenses and colors are definitely inferiors on Canon.
  • Sony A7 III, it's an old reference, but if back then it was praised for its AF for wildlife and action, then I can say that Fujifilms last gen bodies are vastly superior.
Once again, I am not saying Fujifilm is the solution, just advising anyone that look at these cameras to forget about the internet bashing on its AF, and rather assume AF is perfectly fine, look at other parameters, and then go test properly before deciding AF is too bad or not (and then get a Sony A9 III).
Getting away from my musings and back to the OP, the X-T50 is more in line with his price point and needs. However, DPR's own review says that it's "Not so good for: People hoping to shoot sports or fast-moving wildlife Parents of especially active children". So yeah...I'd be looking past this camera too if I were him.
The X-T50 has same sensor and processor as X-T5 or X-H2, so cf my comments above.
 
I'll definitely look into it more. I wouldn't want to dismiss a possible camera or make recommendations based on old/out of date test perimeters.
 
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Hi everyone,

Seeing the benefits of mirrorless, I’d probably start switching. For context, I’m using a Canon 5D Mark III, with a 24-105 (original).

there are two cameras which catch my attention, as listed in the title. I’m now in a dilemma and perhaps would appreciate some advice.

For one, I shoot anything, from events to street to landscapes. Working with rather demanding scenarios and wanting more background blur, I’ve decided to switch over to prime lenses (mostly). I’ve also decided to get into video so i thought 10 bit 4:2:2 would be great.

The main advantage I see with the Canon R7 is its slightly lower price (in my area), dual card slots, and higher frame rates. However, Im held back by the lack of (relatively inexpensive) lenses in the R system. At the same time I understand you can adapt lenses. But how would the autofocus be then?

Then theres the a6700. The main advantage I see is the wide variety of lens options, from less expensive to more premium ones.

I would appreciate some help. Thank you very much
The Canon adapter for older EF lenses is just a metal ring with contacts. The Canon EF lenses work great on my Canon R5 mirrorless
Hi thanks for pointing that out
 

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