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James McPeak said:
Canon EOS 300V (Rebel Ti) = Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel)
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that's the one I was using before I went digital...nice camera, no doubt. never had a problem with it.
James McPeak said:
Canon EOS 30 (Elan 7) = Canon EOS 10D
Canon EOS 1V = Canon 1D/1Ds

The EOS 300V (Rebel Ti) is a crippled version of the EOS 30 (Elan
7), just like the EOS 300D is a crippled version of the EOS 10D.
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crippled? but I could rely on its metering..I never used full manual mode with it.
James McPeak said:
Right now, you are all bent out of shape over this because you have
no other entry-level, sub-$1000 DSLR cameras to compare the EOS
300D to.
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first I am not bend out of shape.. I just voice my opinion that a 1000$ camera should have basic features such as control over the metering.

I consider this part of the "essential" but hey..that's my opinion and I will NOT change it, no matter what people say here...not more than you will change yours...God bless you for it.

We are all entitled to our own opinion right? right :)

But if you compare the EOS 300V film camera to other
James McPeak said:
entry-level film cameras in its class, you would realize that it's
basically the same as other cameras in its class. As for the price
difference between the 300V (Rebel Ti) and the 300D (Digital
Rebel), rip out all the digital components, toss out the digital
CMOS sensor, cut out the color LCD screen, toss the memory buffer,
toss out the charger and its rechargable battery, downgrade the
1/200 flash sync down to 1/90, downgrade the 1/4000 shutter speed
to 1/2000, and then you'll have a $200 300V.
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I have another analogy for you... pay 300$ and get the full control over the meetering and focusing method with a simple point and shoot.
James McPeak said:
If you think $900 (not $1000) is "ouch" for a 6mp DSLR camera, then
I guess I can't interest you with Canon's $1500 6mp DSLR camera,
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yes actualy it is expensive but how much do you have to pay to get rid of the everyday life little anoyances?
James McPeak said:
which up until recently was the cheapest 6mp DSLR on the market.
(The Nikon D100 was $1700, and only recently dropped to $1500. The
newly introduced Pentax -IST D is also $1700.)
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yeah the usual excuses of the no competition thing...that will change though.

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tom e said:
hypnosteve said:
Most of the people who post on this forum don't know how to:

A.Take a decent photo
B. Use photoshop
C. Be patient and give there camera time so that they understand
how it works before they call it a bad camera.

Question: Why is this happening now?
Answer: The new Sony 828 is about to hit the shelves soon and is in
fact now on sale in Germany. Also the announcement of the new Nikon
has got people going also.

Whenever people hear about the new big things coming up they want
to have it and always think it will be better than what they
already have. They get sucked in to it. They are new big thing
junkies. Now they are saying that the Rebel doesn't have this or
that. I find this a challenge rather than a hinderance. Maybe some
people should have stayed with P&S.

It was hardly a secret. I bought the Rebel with my eyes wide open
and I have no qualms with what I got for my £786 in fact I am
delighted. The money I saved from not getting the 10D got me a
28-135IS and a 550EX speedlite.They more than compensate for
features that I find I don't need to get great photos.

It makes me laugh when people post on this forun as if they are a
pro and that they can't get away with the "crippled" Rebel. Pro's
don't use Rebels! How is it every review either the internet or
magazine has the Rebel as a clear winner in both photo quality and
price? The reason is because it is quite simply the best buy DSLR
in the world.

Will the Nikon be better?
Probably, but isn't that always the case? Aren't new computer
processors getting better all the time? By the time the Nikon comes
out the rebel will be old in technology terms so you would hope to
see improvements. Why not ask YOURSELF though, how can I improve as
a photographer. Take a look at yourself!

Just because new cams are coming out soon don't slag off the Rebel
. In fact take it out for the day and take some photos with it
until you know what you are doing with it. Try to see if you can
redefine the limits of the camera rather than blaming it for your
poor photos.

And finally! If you have nothing to say but negative gripes about
the Rebel don't bother posting them here. We don't want you.

Steve
Happy Rebel owner
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Well Said!!!
hypnosteve said:
Most of the people who post on this forum don't know how to:

A.Take a decent photo
B. Use photoshop
C. Be patient and give there camera time so that they understand
how it works before they call it a bad camera.

Question: Why is this happening now?
Answer: The new Sony 828 is about to hit the shelves soon and is in
fact now on sale in Germany. Also the announcement of the new Nikon
has got people going also.

Whenever people hear about the new big things coming up they want
to have it and always think it will be better than what they
already have. They get sucked in to it. They are new big thing
junkies. Now they are saying that the Rebel doesn't have this or
that. I find this a challenge rather than a hinderance. Maybe some
people should have stayed with P&S.

It was hardly a secret. I bought the Rebel with my eyes wide open
and I have no qualms with what I got for my £786 in fact I am
delighted. The money I saved from not getting the 10D got me a
28-135IS and a 550EX speedlite.They more than compensate for
features that I find I don't need to get great photos.

It makes me laugh when people post on this forun as if they are a
pro and that they can't get away with the "crippled" Rebel. Pro's
don't use Rebels! How is it every review either the internet or
magazine has the Rebel as a clear winner in both photo quality and
price? The reason is because it is quite simply the best buy DSLR
in the world.

Will the Nikon be better?
Probably, but isn't that always the case? Aren't new computer
processors getting better all the time? By the time the Nikon comes
out the rebel will be old in technology terms so you would hope to
see improvements. Why not ask YOURSELF though, how can I improve as
a photographer. Take a look at yourself!

Just because new cams are coming out soon don't slag off the Rebel
. In fact take it out for the day and take some photos with it
until you know what you are doing with it. Try to see if you can
redefine the limits of the camera rather than blaming it for your
poor photos.

And finally! If you have nothing to say but negative gripes about
the Rebel don't bother posting them here. We don't want you.

Steve
Happy Rebel owner
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What about this one?

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6431777

Since you are so hard to take other people's advice, why don't you just take your own advise: "if you are disapointed about it, why not simply just sell it back while it still has a good value? very simple no?"

Kai
Daniella said:
I can recognize the good things in the camera, as well as the bad
things. Some people have real problem with this. for me it is
just another technical discussion..I don't see it as negative or
positive..I only see it as a logical technical discussion...I don't
have feelings about the camera...it is only a tool.
Kai Hui said:
Daniella said:
sure he got use to the limitations, because there are no such
limitations...this was taken with a Sony 717..got it? :)))))

I have to admit that the Sony 717 is a great camera....
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Were you the Canon soldier a month ago whenever people saying 707
had some nice features that 300D didn't have?

What makes you change your mind so fast?
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you are correct. there are a lot of lame posts on this forum. people are more concerned with getting the latest gadget, and then complaining about it, than they are about taking pictures.

the digital rebel is the best camera for the money. i don't plan to upgrade in the foreseeable future.
hypnosteve said:
Most of the people who post on this forum don't know how to:

A.Take a decent photo
B. Use photoshop
C. Be patient and give there camera time so that they understand
how it works before they call it a bad camera.

Steve
Happy Rebel owner
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brian
 
While I agree that in some situations, 300D is an extremely inconvenient to use, it is nevertheless the only option we have right now for a DSLR under $1000.

For those who are really complaining about the feature set of the 300D (Daniella is certianly the champion of that group), they simply feel that $1000 is just too expensive for this product and that the marketing of the camera misled them to false conclusions prior to purchase. I recommend that the champions of the complainers should somehow get an online petition going, and send it directly to Canon. I for one, will sign it immediately. Anything short of that will be a waste of time and bandwidth.
 
because fist it is at Canon for repair...so I don't have it..it's been gone for 3 weeks now. second...don,t want to loose on it.

and third, because I still hope to find work around most problems.
Kai Hui said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6431777

Since you are so hard to take other people's advice, why don't you
just take your own advise: "if you are disapointed about it, why
not simply just sell it back while it still has a good value? very
simple no?"

Kai
Daniella said:
I can recognize the good things in the camera, as well as the bad
things. Some people have real problem with this. for me it is
just another technical discussion..I don't see it as negative or
positive..I only see it as a logical technical discussion...I don't
have feelings about the camera...it is only a tool.
Kai Hui said:
Daniella said:
sure he got use to the limitations, because there are no such
limitations...this was taken with a Sony 717..got it? :)))))

I have to admit that the Sony 717 is a great camera....
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Were you the Canon soldier a month ago whenever people saying 707
had some nice features that 300D didn't have?

What makes you change your mind so fast?
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I am not an English native speaker!
http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
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http://www.pbase.com/zylen
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/userphotos?id=26918
 
shinytickles said:
While I agree that in some situations, 300D is an extremely
inconvenient to use, it is nevertheless the only option we have
right now for a DSLR under $1000.
For those who are really complaining about the feature set of the
300D (Daniella is certianly the champion of that group), they
simply feel that $1000 is just too expensive for this product and
that the marketing of the camera misled them to false conclusions
prior to purchase. I recommend that the champions of the
complainers should somehow get an online petition going, and send
it directly to Canon. I for one, will sign it immediately.
Anything short of that will be a waste of time and bandwidth.
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surely thread like that are meant to stear trouble to begin with..he was trolling obviously and trolled a bouch. I can prepare an online petition. I will put up a forum maybe? and every people who want changes will post their messages in it? would that be a good solution? I am just not sure how to send that to Canon.

But as for the waste of bandwidth...if people continue to post threads bashing people hwo have problems with the camera...then hwo is reponsible? Address your complain at that right person...the original poster of this thread.

I will surely complain more and more if people keep provoking others with thread like this. for a waste, you just contributed to it by replaying to it..if you were so worried about Phill's bandwidth, you could just have ignored this stupid thread and move on. do what I say but don't do what I do huh?

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Dainella,

This will be my last post on this thread. I am not here to make enemies. I only wonder if there is a better way to make Canon listen to you. A lot of us don't feel as strongly about this issue as you do, but given the opportunity to convince Canon to improve the product, we will support you all the way (but not in the form of endlessly arguing about the same things over and over again in this forum). I have seen some on-line petitions before, but I don't know how it is done. You can find one on http://www.monkeypeaches.com addressed to Disney and the Motions Arts Academy. The united voice of many is more powerful over the repeated voice of one. Btw, I agree with you that the original poster is trolling here trying to antagonize some members in the forum (as I address my response to the orignal poster and not you), but you really don't have to fall into his trap. You are certainly one of the most talented photographers in this forum, I can only wish that you can find a more effective way of making your voice heard by Canon and not argued by others.

Tickles
 
The ultimate lens, camera, and, in this day, processor, is situated above your shoulders. One of the root problems and challenges with photography has always been situated between that area above the shoulders and within the technical boundaries of the processes. There isthe craft and the art of photography that makes this such a challenging set of tools. If each of us coulduse only our mind's eye, every photo would be perfect -- a work of art -- a masterpiece.

Of course, that's not the case. Some have better stuff above the shoulders. Some have better processes. Some have better of both and stun the rest with their images.

Digital photography has this element of restricting the process. Yes, the photos can be manipulated in computer programs. but the could also be manipulated in the developing and printing process. The better lens could deliver the sharper image. The technician could deliver the sharper image. The photographer could always select film, developer, lenses, paper, etc. to bring the image in line with the vision.

To cut this short, digital photography is seems to cut short the process. The sensor is the unchangeable carrier of the image. Buying a digital camera is committing like committing to using Tri-X for all of your photos. In this day and age, with 6 megapixel color sensors, maybe its more like Kodachrome versus Extrachrome. Digital photography on the individual level removes one variable from film photography and that's the image capturing media.

With digital the image is now based on your CCD quality. Shooting 1 megapixel, then you must compensate. You can't change to Kodachrome 25 to enhance your image because you are stuck at 1-2-3-4-5-6-12-24 megapixels and so on.

There variation comes from other factors... mostly those above the shoulders.
hypnosteve said:
DavidP said:
Steve Norton190199 said:
And finally! If you have nothing to say but negative gripes about
the Rebel don't bother posting them here. We don't want you.
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Who is this "we" to whom you refer?

Perhaps "we" don't want condescending posts that attempt to blame
the user for a camera's faults/deficiencies. Yeah, that's the
ticket. LOL.

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Daniella said:
JJ.SHOOTER said:
Daniella68313 said:
BTW..if you are so tired of my complains, why do you read my posts
at all?
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As I said, I think you have a lot to offer the forum you have many
very good photos. I dont think going on and on about something is
productive, it gets infectous and the nit picking gets bigger and
bigger and soon no one wants to be on the forum, everything goes to
hell. I know I've been on other forums [not photo] but its all the
same.
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so you expect me to shut up when potential buyers ask opinion about
the 300d and only say...oh great camera, buy it! :)
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Come on, the only time you have talked about this CRIPPLED CAMERA was when someone asked you.
Daniella68313 said:
also the fact that people keep dragging me into these discussion by
mentioning me does not help. You know..it takes 2 to tango.

When I found this forum, I told myself, that I wasn't going to respond to the negative threads because these forums are all a like, all it takes is a dozen or so negative people and it all goes to hell.
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Disregard what I have said, it doesn't matter to me, there is a core group that has a vendetta out for the 300d and they wont be satisfied until they inlist others into there cause. Good Luck Jim

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shinytickles said:
lA lot of us don't feel as strongly about this issue
as you do, but given the opportunity to convince Canon to improve
the product, we will support you all the way (but not in the form
of endlessly arguing about the same things over and over again in
this forum). I have seen some on-line petitions before, but I
don't know how it is done.
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Hello Tickles!

It is done like this http://www.change.to/improve300d

Philip
 
JJ.SHOOTER said:
Come on, the only time you have talked about this CRIPPLED CAMERA
was when someone asked you.
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I don't start threads to bash people, nope. I started a thread when I had the problem with the arc of light in my photos, yes..now the camera is at Canon for repair.

I posted the thread in the 10D forum and nobody bashed me there for having problems! there are just too many throlls in this forum.
james j cash said:
james j cash said:
also the fact that people keep dragging me into these discussion by
mentioning me does not help. You know..it takes 2 to tango.

When I found this forum, I told myself, that I wasn't going to respond to the negative threads because these forums are all a like, all it takes is a dozen or so negative people and it all goes to hell.
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IT is to hell...have'nt you noticed? When jerks start doing personal attack..that is what I call hell.
james j cash said:
Disregard what I have said, it doesn't matter to me, there is a
core group that has a vendetta out for the 300d and they wont be
satisfied until they inlist others into there cause. Good Luck Jim
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I guess most people want fix for their problems..that is very legitimate. I don't see anyone here complaining for anything that is NOT legitimate..but I see a bounch of whining that are whining about people who have problems. Not everybody is taking photo of backyards and static subject..Some of use like to do some composition and some of us like to use that DSLR to its potential!
 
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