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The REAL problem with the 300D is this.......
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DannyV
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I believe with the 10D you can disconnect the metering from the focusing or as an alternative use center-weighted averaging in any mode, which makes the metering more predictable. I will study some of these features in detail when I get time.
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Daniella68313
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but I have all my problems using the camera the same way point and shooters would. This camera is really not predictable in point and shoot mode, not even in Tv and Av mode.
For example, on issues like AI servo I believe
what? I think you should reconsider that one
anyway, I hope you're wrong yes I have not much hope here either, but if they receive many complains...and I mean probably a lot, they might just fix somethign. Not much hope but if nobody try surely then there is 0% hope.
no sure...you'de be dead before long. I am not holding my breath either...for now just trying to find work around. Not bad, since I started to visit this forum I have already found solution to 50% of my problem with good suggestions from people here, especialy Tom. Now I have to find work around the metering so that I can manage to take reliable exposure when it is needed fast.But since I own a DR just like you, I'd be just as happy as you
would be if they did add new features.
breath about it, however.
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Daniella68313
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yeah..but since some people like comparing film with digital...lets be fair and compare price too.
I would not mind paying 300$ for a crippled camera...it is much more "ouch" for a 1000$ one.
I would not mind paying 300$ for a crippled camera...it is much more "ouch" for a 1000$ one.
DavidP #28649
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Are you talking about non-flash results that are significantly different than using evaluative mode in the 10D?
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Daniella68313
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say that to Canon:
http://www.canoneos.com/digitalrebel/operation/index.html
maybe you should do a course in marketing to see how this type of advertizing will affect people perception of the camera?
one thing is sure..a better camera will not make a poor photopgraher great..but a better camera will be able to expose properly in Tv or Av mode. period.
so the subject or the composition might suck yes..but at least the poor photographer will have a properly exposed photo.
That was so in the film world, and
I already did a photography course...done with a fully manual camera and with balck and white film mostly. that does not solve my problem with the inconsistant metering of the 300D.
The thing is I don't want to use it as a full manual camera..I want to use mainly Tv and Av. period. that camera is inconsistant in those mode.
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SteveMattan
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---- Yeah, she would be your worst nightmare, eh? Someone who can take
---- great pictures and still point out the flaws of the camera.
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---- Yeah, she's complaining because of user error right?
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Daniella68313
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the balance is coming from the one end going too far already, as calling users crippled? it just hit the bottom and then now is the bouncing back
but he is wright. After you get pass the infatuation or "exitement" period...all those inconsistancies and limitationis really start to get on your nerves some how.
and it is omnipresent..it is everywhere. in all modes you have limitations. Even with manual you have limitation because you are still stuck with AI focus, unless you use manual exposure and manual focus..but then why pay so much money for a camera that can only work properly in full manual? in manual you only have center weighted metering..so you are still limited. it's like giving people wings but putting them in cages, so yes they can fly..from pole to pole.
but he is wright. After you get pass the infatuation or "exitement" period...all those inconsistancies and limitationis really start to get on your nerves some how.
and it is omnipresent..it is everywhere. in all modes you have limitations. Even with manual you have limitation because you are still stuck with AI focus, unless you use manual exposure and manual focus..but then why pay so much money for a camera that can only work properly in full manual? in manual you only have center weighted metering..so you are still limited. it's like giving people wings but putting them in cages, so yes they can fly..from pole to pole.
I don't know about you, but I find the 300D to be a very easy, enjoyable, effective camera. That's been my experience. Maybe your bitterness is getting in the way of your enjoyment?
Oh my goodness. Do you know how much exposure latitude black and white film has?!?! The negative can mask all kinds of exposure errors and sloppiness. The digital image can't! But you have much flexibility to work with the digital image in your digital darkroom. And that is one of the wonderful things about working with a DSLR. Don't expect exposure to be perfect. Just concentrate on fitting everything between the ends of the histogram. Under or over exposure within the ends of the histogram should be considered a perfectly adequate exposure with no lost information. We applied the same criteria when reading a negative or a slide. You should really do the same with the digital negative!
Let go of your passionate bitterness, and put all that energy into mastering metering and exposre and working with the digital negative. You will enjoy things much more.
Daniella68313
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you're right I cannot, for now..but I can complain about it..and I will.
That's
that we'll have to see.
The D70 is going to be just like the
here we go again..on what fact you base this comment? what exectly experience is needed...read this and you will get a better view of the situation here:
http://www.canoneos.com/digitalrebel/operation/index.html
enjoy!
They don't know
oh but then why put a Av mode or Tv mode if it cannot do the job right? Please tell me how should I use the Tv and Av mode to get a proper exposure?
They just expect the camera to do it perfectly for them.
duh..yes..that is why there are creative modes no? I would not have paid 1000$ for a camera that can only be used in manual mode.
some do a better job at it though. Never had a single probelm with my cheapo point and shoots.
The 300D probably has as good metering as most
well then that solve it...I was shooting mostly with slide films..never had a problem. Here is one of my vaforite with Velvia film and the Canon EOS rebel:
With digital film, you are basically seeing all the
I find the photos become quite noisy when you try to correct too much an underexposed photos..of course an overexposed photo is jut lost.
What was once done by the
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What a bitter, sad person you are appearing to be! Everything is limitations and problems and crippling and can't-do-this-can't-do-that with you! You must be a wonderful person to be around! We are all enjoying your presence immensely. With all your "I see the world as bleak and grey" energy you are applying to this camera (and maybe other things as well), it's a wonder that you have time to take pictures at all. Enjoy your camera. Don't go into a hissy fit over every little detail. The there is tremendous flexibility in the digital negative that as long as you have recorded the detail within the range of the digital negative, it is quite simple to make adjustments later. Why do you think most high-end users of high-end DSLR cameras primarily shoot in RAW? Because it allows you the most flexibility to fix exposure errors that are common amongst even the most expensive DSLR cameras. I personally use JPEG's, but I have accumulated some fanstistic Photoshop Actions to make excellent adjustments to image exposure. Oh, and did I mention I use a 10D!
Daniella68313
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oh I do enjoy it and I do like it 90% of the time. Well not now because it's broken, but eventualy we'll get it back.
I would have seen it...we had our own lab at the school. other wise how can you learn anything? surely I had bad exposures, but I know it was my fault because I was deciding it..if the camera decide it..it is its fault.
The digital image can't! But you have much
no not really because once the highlight are blown out, they are gone. And a underexposed photo because quite noisy when lighten up.
And that is one of the wonderful things about working
I don't expect it to be perfect..I would accept a little range is miscalculation here and there..but not that type of inconsistancy, to the point where you simply cannot know what to expect. I have had many cameras, digital as well, but I could always get to know the camera and rely that it would behave a certain way all the time. now with the 300D, I can always rely on one thing..it is that I cannot rely on it.
Just
yes but that happens after you take the photo, then it's too late to correct anything for that photo. It does help for subsequent photos, as long as the lighting does not change and that you are using the manual mode..full manual mode. but with the 300D in Av mode what can you do if the meetering decide to underexposed, then you watch the histogram "damn..it is dark" you adjust the exposure compensation in + but then you take the next photo and "damn, it is overexposed"
It is just dependant on your focusing point. that is very much something I must pay attention too....much more than the histogram, before I take the photo.
Under or over exposure within the ends of the histogram
I am not sure but is that accaptable then?
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I tried to bring it back but it became so very much noisy.
but I don't feel bitter at all...that is where most people make the mistake. I just talk about it, as I would talk about my car having break needed to be replaced...or the TV cable being too noisy..
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Yes, balance Daniella. I know you have had some bad experiences with two bad cameras in a row. But frankly I think that has soured you beyond what is strictly rational about this camera.
This camera does have limitations. But honestly, it can still take very very good pictures.
I know I have gotten some really nice pictures in exactly the sorts of situations you complain about (like the AI-servo mess). Sure I would prefer it had fewer limitations. Who wouldn't if it could still come with the same price in the same size package.
But it still takes some very very good pictures.
Honestly I see the limitations as far less important than the QC issues (which you certainly have had abundant legitimate problems with).
I'm not a fan boy but neither am I blind to this cameras limitations and problems.
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This camera does have limitations. But honestly, it can still take very very good pictures.
I know I have gotten some really nice pictures in exactly the sorts of situations you complain about (like the AI-servo mess). Sure I would prefer it had fewer limitations. Who wouldn't if it could still come with the same price in the same size package.
But it still takes some very very good pictures.
Honestly I see the limitations as far less important than the QC issues (which you certainly have had abundant legitimate problems with).
I'm not a fan boy but neither am I blind to this cameras limitations and problems.
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James McPeak
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You're making the wrong comparisons. Here are how the digital cameras match up to their film equivalents:
Canon EOS 300V (Rebel Ti) = Canon EOS 300D (Digital Rebel)
Canon EOS 30 (Elan 7) = Canon EOS 10D
Canon EOS 1V = Canon 1D/1Ds
The EOS 300V (Rebel Ti) is a crippled version of the EOS 30 (Elan 7), just like the EOS 300D is a crippled version of the EOS 10D. Right now, you are all bent out of shape over this because you have no other entry-level, sub-$1000 DSLR cameras to compare the EOS 300D to. But if you compare the EOS 300V film camera to other entry-level film cameras in its class, you would realize that it's basically the same as other cameras in its class. As for the price difference between the 300V (Rebel Ti) and the 300D (Digital Rebel), rip out all the digital components, toss out the digital CMOS sensor, cut out the color LCD screen, toss the memory buffer, toss out the charger and its rechargable battery, downgrade the 1/200 flash sync down to 1/90, downgrade the 1/4000 shutter speed to 1/2000, and then you'll have a $200 300V.
If you think $900 (not $1000) is "ouch" for a 6mp DSLR camera, then I guess I can't interest you with Canon's $1500 6mp DSLR camera, which up until recently was the cheapest 6mp DSLR on the market. (The Nikon D100 was $1700, and only recently dropped to $1500. The newly introduced Pentax -IST D is also $1700.)
Were you the Canon soldier a month ago whenever people saying 707 had some nice features that 300D didn't have?sure he got use to the limitations, because there are no such
limitations...this was taken with a Sony 717..got it?
I have to admit that the Sony 717 is a great camera....
What makes you change your mind so fast?
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Daniella68313
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well that is because people like you obviously only see the negative things that I say and not the positive things.
I did post recently, monday, 2 threads with photos taken with the 300D..not mine but a borrowed one.. so not all my posts are negative. I also defend the 300D when I see things posted that are not true.
I see nothing bitter as to talk about problems..it is the only way to solve them. No complains in those posts..that was my last weekend trip. As you can see I do not always complain..and I do enjoy the camera. But I will not burry my head in the ground and not talk about problems.
Here are my 2 recent posts and my recent photos..here is my vaforite recent photo:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6801281
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6801081
You are welcome to have your own thoughts..but don't try to think for me or say how I feel..I think I know much better than you what I think or how I feel.
Enjoy your
The
I will give you my wonderfull 300d and you give me your 10D, ok?
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I did post recently, monday, 2 threads with photos taken with the 300D..not mine but a borrowed one.. so not all my posts are negative. I also defend the 300D when I see things posted that are not true.
I see nothing bitter as to talk about problems..it is the only way to solve them. No complains in those posts..that was my last weekend trip. As you can see I do not always complain..and I do enjoy the camera. But I will not burry my head in the ground and not talk about problems.
Here are my 2 recent posts and my recent photos..here is my vaforite recent photo:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6801281
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=6801081
that's how YOU see it..but not how I feel about it. I feel that when I complain about this, it is not bleak and grey energy, but somethign that will lead to something constructive at the end... that's our different perspective on it.
You are welcome to have your own thoughts..but don't try to think for me or say how I feel..I think I know much better than you what I think or how I feel.
Enjoy your
no hissing fit..just reporting problems as I encounter them. will always do that BTW..so if you think that it is a waste of time for me to complain about the camera crippling because Canon will not listen to me...I can tell you that it is a major waste of time to complain about my complaining because I will not change that.
The
ok lets trade then
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Daniella68313
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sure..like I said, I like to tell the trut... if someone says somethign wrong about the 300d I will correct them..but I will not burry my head and ignore that problems. I call Canon soldiers the people who only want to hear the good things and always ignore the bad things.
I can recognize the good things in the camera, as well as the bad things. Some people have real problem with this. for me it is just another technical discussion..I don't see it as negative or positive..I only see it as a logical technical discussion...I don't have feelings about the camera...it is only a tool.
I am not an English native speaker!
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I can recognize the good things in the camera, as well as the bad things. Some people have real problem with this. for me it is just another technical discussion..I don't see it as negative or positive..I only see it as a logical technical discussion...I don't have feelings about the camera...it is only a tool.
--Were you the Canon soldier a month ago whenever people saying 707sure he got use to the limitations, because there are no such
limitations...this was taken with a Sony 717..got it?
I have to admit that the Sony 717 is a great camera....
had some nice features that 300D didn't have?
What makes you change your mind so fast?
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