m43rumors post on mid-range zoom

Cropped to the same framing as MFT, the S1Rii will give 11 MP as opposed to 20 / 25 MP with a MFT body.

Made to OMDS specifications, the 500mm will have Sync-IS and support 50+ fps for bird and wildlife photography.
S1Rii AF is trash. There's currently no good pairing for the 500/5.6. Sony A1 is decent, but artificially limited to 15fps.

50MP vs 20MP when 500mm is sufficient.

12.5MP vs 20MP when 1000mm is needed.

BIF at 1000mm will clip a lot of wings at distances where haze isn't an issue.
That's false HicHic. Is it the best AF out there? No. If you need cutting edge AF performance, you would go to Sony, Canon, or maybe Nikon. But is it good for many people? Yes.
 
Meant to include this to show where you may be headed Tom!

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The Dual Sync IS, zoom rotation direction, added reach on the telephoto end, compatibility with both your TC's, and build quality similar to the PL200 may add one more zoom to your lens stable!
Yes I am nearly sold. When I am over the buy price of a perfect Mamiya 645 (White) 200/2.8 that I can focal reduce by a Kipon adapter I already own on L-Mount bodies I will dig out out of my in-consideration list :)
If you get it, I'd be curious how you feel it performs with the 2x TC. The one I had wasn't great, so off it went. But have wondered if I would need the 100-400 if I had a good combo of the 50-200 and 2x TC.
 
Is it the best AF out there? No. If you need cutting edge AF performance, you would go to Sony, Canon, or maybe Nikon. But is it good for many people? Yes.
Take out the big 3 and you have only Fuji and Olympus left to compare to, the worse performers. None of them sell FF cameras. In the FF world, the S1Rii is dead last in AF performance.
 
Is it the best AF out there? No. If you need cutting edge AF performance, you would go to Sony, Canon, or maybe Nikon. But is it good for many people? Yes.
Take out the big 3 and you have only Fuji and Olympus left to compare to, the worse performers. None of them sell FF cameras. In the FF world, the S1Rii is dead last in AF performance.
Dead last still doesn't make it trash, though.

It's a spaceship comapred to camera that are like 5 years old, we were able to grab shots just fine with an A7III back then why would a S1RII be limiting?

Because it's not the absolute best doesn't mean it's not usable, or bad at all.
 
Dead last still doesn't make it trash, though.
No, but only 1-2 critically sharp shots on the eye is.


Especially in a burst sequence with that many shots.
 
If the 150-600mm wasn't competitively priced for other systems, their users will simply continue to use their DSLR-mount 150-600's.
Sure. But for those of us who have no friction with switching systems or for OMS trying to attract new customers, they are going to compare and see it’s terrible value.
Ah, but users of another system would need a 900 or 1200mm lens, or a much higher pixel count (for cropping) to match a 600mm on m43... same lens won't give same results on a different system.
Another reason for a higher price on the OMS version could be the synced IS. Not sure how well IS on other mounts works with IBIS on those cameras.
 
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Ah, but users of another system would need a 900 or 1200mm lens, or a much higher pixel count (for cropping) to match a 600mm on m43... same lens won't give same results on a different system.
Most/all FF bodies do have higher pixel count.

You can get whatever final FoV you need by cropping. A larger sensor can always crop down to M43 size. A smaller sensor can't magically grow bigger lol...I mean, it usually can't. If you're shooting against a plain background, I guess you could enlarge the crop in post and use content aware fill to somewhat seamlessly fill the edges...
 
If the 150-600mm wasn't competitively priced for other systems, their users will simply continue to use their DSLR-mount 150-600's.
Sure. But for those of us who have no friction with switching systems or for OMS trying to attract new customers, they are going to compare and see it’s terrible value.
Ah, but users of another system would need a 900 or 1200mm lens, or a much higher pixel count (for cropping) to match a 600mm on m43... same lens won't give same results on a different system.
Another reason for a higher price on the OMS version could be the synced IS. Not sure how well IS on other mounts works with IBIS on those cameras.
Fujifilm X-H2 or X-T5 or X-T50 or X-E5 + Fujinon XF 150-600. Cheaper. Lighter. Smaller. Internally zooming. Problem solved.
 
I far as I am concerned the weight of the 300 PF is irrelevant. It would not be of interest if it was an mFTs lens. I hope the OM Systems lens is not a PF/DO lens in order to reduce the weight. The 300 f4 without tripod mount is 1270. All the weights I listed are without tripod mounts.
I see, so the 300/4 is still the lightest of the 3 with hood/tripod foot. It is only marginally lighter than the Sigma and Sony lenses, despite slower/shorter focal length.

I don't know who you're speaking for, but I would certainly like a 500PF for M43 mount. I know I'm not the only one too, as I've seen others asking about adapting that lens to M43 body.
Lenstip for the Nikon 500mm PF
  • significant contrast decrease during the performance against bright light.
This is their only negative, however as someone who photographs birds which often are against bright light, I consider this a serious problem. If someone solves this problem, then a sharp low weight PF/DO lens would be fine.
It doesn't make sense to adapt a Nikon 500mm PF since there are no decent AF F-MFT adapters like Fringer has made for Fuji.

It would make a ton of sense though, for OMDS to adapt the Sigma 500mm for this mount. It would be a great wildlife pairing with people's existing Olympus 300mm or Panasonic 200mm primes.

But when I wrote about it (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68184417), a lot of forum members disagreed, saying that 500mm is too long for most bird photography. I can shoot BIFs at 600mm but I know it takes a lot of practice (I used an EE-1 red dot sight for a while). So it's possible that I had overestimated the demand for such a lens, going by my own preferences.
I would love to have a low weight 500mm f5.6 as long as it is not a PF/DO design. I use the MC20+300mm about 60% of the time.
I don't think the 500 Sigma is PF/DO design. At least they never mentioned it, I could be wrong.

Would be a perfect candidate for M43 conversion. I certainly wouldn't complain about its size/weight. People can complain all they want about it being a FF design - 500mm reach with 95mm front element for that size and weight? Sign me up!

Much more preferable to whatever size/weight your 300/4+2x combo comes out to be. And optically superior for sure.
Alternatively, you could use the FF 500 Sigma on a high mpx FF body and crop down. Save the money from what OMS would upcharge! Great lens on the S1RII for example, including with the 1.4x TC.
Cropped to the same framing as MFT, the S1Rii will give 11 MP as opposed to 20 / 25 MP with a MFT body.

Made to OMDS specifications, the 500mm will have Sync-IS and support 50+ fps for bird and wildlife photography.
"Made to OMDS specifications." That's funny.
Well, obviously I meant "modified to OMDS specifications". I thought it would be obvious in the context of the conversation, given that we had been talking about other Sigma modifications viz. 100-400mm and 150-600mm.
Let's be clear and give credit where credit is due. The lens was made to Sigma's specifications, not those of OMDS. If Sigma does in fact license the 500mm f/5.6 to OMDS, there'll be modifications OMDS asks of Sigma for compatibility. But it's still a Sigma-designed and manufactured lens.

Your crop calculations seem correct. But I don't usually need to crop to such a significant degree, esp with the TC. And you're discounting the other imaging benefits of FF. Not saying the MFT kit isn't great- it can be.
Shooting at 1000mm reach is a niche for sure, but there are those of us who do, as the popularity of the 300mm + MC-20 combination (1200mm reach) would attest to.
I keep my G9II and the 100-400/200mm lenses and use them from time to time. But it's not better for everyone, and I personally prefer the output I get from my FF kit.
No kit is suitable for everyone. Whether the market for an OM-specced (err I mean modified) 500mm is lucrative enough is for OMDS to decide.
 
Ah, but users of another system would need a 900 or 1200mm lens, or a much higher pixel count (for cropping) to match a 600mm on m43... same lens won't give same results on a different system.
Most/all FF bodies do have higher pixel count.
Higher pixel count (for cropping) = higher pixel density.

In terms of pixel density among ILCs:

1. 25 MP Four Thirds sensor on G9ii / GH7

2. 40 MP Fuji APS-C sensor

3. 20 MP Four Thirds sensor
You can get whatever final FoV you need by cropping. A larger sensor can always crop down to M43 size. A smaller sensor can't magically grow bigger lol...I mean, it usually can't. If you're shooting against a plain background, I guess you could enlarge the crop in post and use content aware fill to somewhat seamlessly fill the edges...
 
Thanks for taking the time to provide real-life photos, MEDISN.

To me, it still shows how comparable they are. EVF hump is significantly larger on G9 II, with deeper albeit narrower grip relative to the OM1. G9II body is slightly wider but similar in length and height (sans EVF).

So yes, technically bigger- never in dispute. But it's not like a G9II to G100 comparison.

That's what I'm getting at. Your comparison is a fair depiction of the differences, allowing others to visually see the differences and form their own opinions- unlike some other exaggerated claims I've seen bandied about.
A comparison of two F-sized cameras.
What is an F camera? Pen-F? Nikon F series? Must be some other Fs out there?
And we wonder why the m43 system may be on life support!
Gasping for air...
 
FF bodies have an 80 MP count? (to match pixel density of a 20 MP m34 sensor?)
 

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