I want Canon to release an updated original EOS M

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them. That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras. I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan. I really like my M series cameras and have no plans to replace them with RF-S mount cameras, not because I'm a diehard but because the bodies don't do for me what the M100 does. I'm not going the X100 or the X mount routes either, for exactly the same reason. I suspect I bought my last APS-C camera just over five years ago.

nnowak said:

Realistically, the only real hope is that Canon takes the basic design of the M100/M6 and mates it with the guts of the 22mm f/2.0 to create a fixed lens compact like the Fuji X100 series.

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Sittatunga said:

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them. That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras. I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan. I really like my M series cameras and have no plans to replace them with RF-S mount cameras, not because I'm a diehard but because the bodies don't do for me what the M100 does. I'm not going the X100 or the X mount routes either, for exactly the same reason. I suspect I bought my last APS-C camera just over five years ago.

Sittatunga said:

Realistically, the only real hope is that Canon takes the basic design of the M100/M6 and mates it with the guts of the 22mm f/2.0 to create a fixed lens compact like the Fuji X100 series.

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They never made the M5 Mark II that many people requested.

They never made the fast quality normal zoom that many people requested. (Not even a F4 zoom).

So they never gave the market a real chance to actually work. It felt like they never wanted the M-system to succeed. Like it was never in their plans.

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M4Mobility said:

Sittatunga said:

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them. That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras. I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan. I really like my M series cameras and have no plans to replace them with RF-S mount cameras, not because I'm a diehard but because the bodies don't do for me what the M100 does. I'm not going the X100 or the X mount routes either, for exactly the same reason. I suspect I bought my last APS-C camera just over five years ago.

M4Mobility said:

Realistically, the only real hope is that Canon takes the basic design of the M100/M6 and mates it with the guts of the 22mm f/2.0 to create a fixed lens compact like the Fuji X100 series.

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They never made the M5 Mark II that many people requested.

They never made the fast quality normal zoom that many people requested. (Not even a F4 zoom).

So they never gave the market a real chance to actually work. It felt like they never wanted the M-system to succeed. Like it was never in their plans.

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Canon's initial stated plans for the M series were for a small complement to their bigger cameras. The original M was overpriced (which led to the fire sale that got me interested), they went in all sorts of interesting directions chasing sales except for increasing its size too much. The M5 was too big and expensive for me so I wouldn't have been interested in an M50 II anyway.

I have two f/3.5 zooms (at the wide end) and one f/4 zoom, but none of the EF-M zooms are constant aperture because that would have made them too fat for the template that all the EF-M lenses follow. The only things stopping people from using the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 were its size, weight and cost. An EF-M mount redesign would have been a bit smaller and lighter but no cheaper than a lens released in 2006, which makes me sure that it wouldn't have sold well enough to justify the cost of designing and making one. Canon have licensed Sigma to make an RF-S mount 18-50mm f/2.8 and a few big, fast primes but they haven't released any fast RF-S lenses themselves. I'm sure they have their reasons for that too.

Sittatunga said:

M4Mobility said:

Sittatunga said:

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them. That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras. I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan. I really like my M series cameras and have no plans to replace them with RF-S mount cameras, not because I'm a diehard but because the bodies don't do for me what the M100 does. I'm not going the X100 or the X mount routes either, for exactly the same reason. I suspect I bought my last APS-C camera just over five years ago.

Sittatunga said:

Realistically, the only real hope is that Canon takes the basic design of the M100/M6 and mates it with the guts of the 22mm f/2.0 to create a fixed lens compact like the Fuji X100 series.

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They never made the M5 Mark II that many people requested.

They never made the fast quality normal zoom that many people requested. (Not even a F4 zoom).

So they never gave the market a real chance to actually work. It felt like they never wanted the M-system to succeed. Like it was never in their plans.

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Canon's initial stated plans for the M series were for a small complement to their bigger cameras. The original M was overpriced (which led to the fire sale that got me interested), they went in all sorts of interesting directions chasing sales except for increasing its size too much. The M5 was too big and expensive for me so I wouldn't have been interested in an M50 II anyway.

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If I remember correctly the M5 II was the most reqested camera in The M history.

Sittatunga said:

I have two f/3.5 zooms (at the wide end) and one f/4 zoom, but none of the EF-M zooms are constant aperture because that would have made them too fat for the template that all the EF-M lenses follow. The only things stopping people from using the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 were its size, weight and cost. An EF-M mount redesign would have been a bit smaller and lighter but no cheaper than a lens released in 2006, which makes me sure that it wouldn't have sold well enough to justify the cost of designing and making one.

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If I remember correctly the EF-M 15-70mm F4 IS (or slight variations of that) was the most requested lens in The M history. (In addition to a longer than 200mm native tele zoom.)

But no, that would have made the M system too good. Must protect the FF system, you know.

Sittatunga said:

Canon have licensed Sigma to make an RF-S mount 18-50mm f/2.8 and a few big, fast primes but they haven't released any fast RF-S lenses themselves. I'm sure they have their reasons for that too.

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No IS. No 15mm at the wide end.

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Sittatunga said:

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

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Maybe in 2020, but certainly not at this point.

Sittatunga said:

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them.

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Unlikely. The only APS-C versus full frame confusion was Canon's own doing when the created the EF-S mount with lenses that did not fit on full frame bodies. There is too much duplication of efforts with two different, incompatible mounts. For lenses longer than a standard zoom, there is little size advantage to an APS-C specific lens. There is no point building two different versions of a 50mm f/1.8 or 100-400mm telephoto.

Sittatunga said:

That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras.

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Many (especially in the M forum) interpreted Canon's comments as suggesting it would not be used for crop, but I don't think Canon ever explicitly said the RF mount would not be used for crop. Canon's original statements were more along the lines that it was designed to specifically accommodate full frame. This is something Sony, their biggest rival at the time, could not claim.

Sittatunga said:

I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan.

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Canon definitely misunderstood the market when they launched the M system. Canon saw the tiny Sony and m4/3 bodies stealing Rebel sales and responded with something similarly small. It wasn't until Sony launched the A7 series and started penetrating the professional market that Canon saw the need to pivot.

The original R and 4 RF lenses launched in 2018 and would have begun development at least 2 years before that in 2016. That means initial R development was already occurring at the same time the original M5 and M6 were launching. I believe this is the real reason the M5 II was never created and the lens lineup stagnated. If Canon was throwing all of their efforts into an entirely new mount that would work for full frame and APS-C, they would not want a lot of resources going into a product line they were going to phase out. The M6 II was different enough that it did not directly compete with any of the initial R bodies, but an M5 II would have had too much overlap with something like the R10.

As you said, definitely not something devious or malicious. Just a business reacting to a declining, changing market.

M4Mobility said:

Sittatunga said:

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them. That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras. I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan. I really like my M series cameras and have no plans to replace them with RF-S mount cameras, not because I'm a diehard but because the bodies don't do for me what the M100 does. I'm not going the X100 or the X mount routes either, for exactly the same reason. I suspect I bought my last APS-C camera just over five years ago.

M4Mobility said:

Realistically, the only real hope is that Canon takes the basic design of the M100/M6 and mates it with the guts of the 22mm f/2.0 to create a fixed lens compact like the Fuji X100 series.

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They never made the M5 Mark II that many people requested.

They never made the fast quality normal zoom that many people requested. (Not even a F4 zoom).

So they never gave the market a real chance to actually work. It felt like they never wanted the M-system to succeed. Like it was never in their plans.

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The original R and 4 RF lenses launched in 2018 and would have begun development at least 2 years before that in 2016. That means initial R development was already occurring at the same time the original M5 and M6 were launching. It wasn't that Canon did not want the M system to succeed. Canon repeatedly touted the sales numbers for the M50. It is more that Canon misjudged the mirrorless market and a unified RF mount was a better long term solution.

As I have said before, if the EF-M mount were just a few millimeters bigger, Canon likely would have copied Sony's path and used the EF-M mount for everything.

M4Mobility said:

Sittatunga said:

M4Mobility said:

Sittatunga said:

nnowak said:

Supisiche said:

Boris22 said:

I bought into canon efm big time because it was an exact fit for me -size and price and quality. When the canon rumors about killing the system appeared, I bought up all the new stuff I figured I would like to have. There is nothing else like it and probably will never be again. I don't even look at what is out there now because there is no good reason. So- with a discontinued system ,a gear-centric forum really has no value any more except for some odd forums here related to things like retouching, printing,macro and an occasional challenge. Oh yeah-I forgot the open BS forum also.I figure I'm pretty much done with cameras now and between AI and phones it's probably the right choice. Now , taking pics is all I have to be concerned about. Tough break -eh?

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Is it possible for Canon to just make the M cameras again? Keep specs the same.

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Highly unlikely. No M camera was built with Canon's current DIGIC X. The older DIGIC 8 may no longer be available and plenty of other parts inside the camera may also be discontinued. Even if every part is available, only the M6 II would be possible as it is the only one with USB C charging. None of the other M cameras have USB C charging which would make them unsellable in the EU.

Even if Canon could build them, how would they sell them? Aside from a few M diehards that are hoarding M cameras, who else is going to buy a camera from a previously discontinued system? Canon would also need to have lenses for sale for this camera, but which ones? It is a giant logistical mess with virtually zero benefit to Canon. Canon killed the M mount because they needed to standardize on one single mount for the long term success of the company. Resurrecting the M system runs counter to their long term goals.

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Canon just wouldn't be able to sell enough new M series cameras to make them a viable proposition.

I think Canon would happily have kept the EF-M mount for APS-C and the RF mount for full-frame to avoid confusion between the two formats had the market let them. That was their announced intention when they launched the R series cameras. I think a misunderstanding of the market is a more likely explanation for the end of the M series than a devious malicious, cunning plan. I really like my M series cameras and have no plans to replace them with RF-S mount cameras, not because I'm a diehard but because the bodies don't do for me what the M100 does. I'm not going the X100 or the X mount routes either, for exactly the same reason. I suspect I bought my last APS-C camera just over five years ago.

M4Mobility said:

Realistically, the only real hope is that Canon takes the basic design of the M100/M6 and mates it with the guts of the 22mm f/2.0 to create a fixed lens compact like the Fuji X100 series.

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They never made the M5 Mark II that many people requested.

They never made the fast quality normal zoom that many people requested. (Not even a F4 zoom).

So they never gave the market a real chance to actually work. It felt like they never wanted the M-system to succeed. Like it was never in their plans.

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Canon's initial stated plans for the M series were for a small complement to their bigger cameras. The original M was overpriced (which led to the fire sale that got me interested), they went in all sorts of interesting directions chasing sales except for increasing its size too much. The M5 was too big and expensive for me so I wouldn't have been interested in an M50 II

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Sorry, M5 II, autocorrupt struck again.

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If I remember correctly the M5 II was the most reqested camera in The M history.

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Quite possibly. But it was the much cheaper M50 that massively outsold it and requests don't necessarily translate into sales.

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M4Mobility said:

I have two f/3.5 zooms (at the wide end) and one f/4 zoom, but none of the EF-M zooms are constant aperture because that would have made them too fat for the template that all the EF-M lenses follow. The only things stopping people from using the EF-S 17-55mm f/2.8 were its size, weight and cost. An EF-M mount redesign would have been a bit smaller and lighter but no cheaper than a lens released in 2006, which makes me sure that it wouldn't have sold well enough to justify the cost of designing and making one.

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If I remember correctly the EF-M 15-70mm F4 IS (or slight variations of that) was the most requested lens in The M history. (In addition to a longer than 200mm native tele zoom.)

But no, that would have made the M system too good. Must protect the FF system, you know.

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I really don't think that is much of a consideration with Canon. After all, for a start the M system cameras and lenses are primarily designed to compete with other manufacturers' products. They didn't worry about making the EF-M 32mm f/1.4 (50mm f/2.3 FF equivalent) a very much better lens than the RF 50mm f/1.8. They don't worry that the R8 does practically everything the R6 II can do (apart from the IBIS) for half the price. They've a long history of producing cheap cameras that undercut their more profitable ones, such as the 7D, the 6D or further back, the AE-1 undercutting the EF and the TLb under the FTb.

The thing Canon did with the M system was to make it as small as possible so that it would complement the FF system rather than compete with it. But EOS M was never meant to be a full-frame equivalent as the zoom lenses would have had to be a very similar size to the equivalent FF zoom lenses, destroying the unique selling point of the system.

I never saw anything about a 15-70mm EF-M lens but there's a 2023 patent for an RF-S 15-70mm f/4 with no indication that it would be small enough for EF-M and it relies on barrel distortion to be corrected in processing. The 18-55mm is my longest APS-C lens. Once past 200mm focal length I would never buy an APS-C lens because the size benefits would be negligible anyway (I have some very nice photos I took with the EF 300mm f/4 on various M bodies).

M4Mobility said:

M4Mobility said:

Canon have licensed Sigma to make an RF-S mount 18-50mm f/2.8 and a few big, fast primes but they haven't released any fast RF-S lenses themselves. I'm sure they have their reasons for that too.

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No IS. No 15mm at the wide end.

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Doesn't reach 65mm at the long end either. But it's not much bigger than an EF-M lens and it's a stop faster than any RF-S zoom I expect from Canon.

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Ditto. Never wanted M to be a successful product line in the long term.
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plantdoc said:

Ditto. Never wanted M to be a successful product line in the long term.
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I'm sure Canon wanted M to be a very successful product, it's just that they kept too close to its original concept as a tiny system camera that was also fully compatible with DSLR lenses for that to happen. Nikon didn't intend their 1" system to be a failure either or Pentax their Q cameras. It's just that the things I love Canon M for don't sell in big enough numbers.

Sittatunga said:

I'm sure Canon wanted M to be a very successful product, it's just that they kept too close to its original concept as a tiny system camera that was also fully compatible with DSLR lenses for that to happen. Nikon didn't intend their 1" system to be a failure either or Pentax their Q cameras. It's just that the things I love Canon M for don't sell in big enough numbers.

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It's a shame that all the ultra-compact mirrorless systems have fallen by the wayside (Canon EOS M, Nikon 1, Panasonic GM, Pentax Q, Sony NEX). While this type of camera still seems to have an enthusiastic following, I guess they never sold enough to survive.

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Sittatunga said:

I'm sure Canon wanted M to be a very successful product, it's just that they kept too close to its original concept as a tiny system camera that was also fully compatible with DSLR lenses for that to happen. Nikon didn't intend their 1" system to be a failure either or Pentax their Q cameras. It's just that the things I love Canon M for don't sell in big enough numbers.

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It's a shame that all the ultra-compact mirrorless systems have fallen by the wayside (Canon EOS M, Nikon 1, Panasonic GM, Pentax Q, Sony NEX). While this type of camera still seems to have an enthusiastic following, I guess they never sold enough to survive.

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My Lumix G100D is around the size of my Ms, it is on the top 10 selling list in japan.

I was recently in Spain and decided to take the original EOS M with me as my main camera along with the EF-M 22mm and EF-M 18-55mm lenses. The EF-M 22mm was on the camera the entire trip, and I was very happy with the images. I wanted a small, lightweight kit, and the EOS M ticked all the boxes. I liked it so much that after using Canon cameras for the past 15 years, I preordered a Fujifilm X-E5 with the XF 23mm lens. I think that Canon missed an opportunity with the EOS M line.

davinci953 said:

I was recently in Spain and decided to take the original EOS M with me as my main camera along with the EF-M 22mm and EF-M 18-55mm lenses. The EF-M 22mm was on the camera the entire trip, and I was very happy with the images. I wanted a small, lightweight kit, and the EOS M ticked all the boxes. I liked it so much that after using Canon cameras for the past 15 years, I preordered a Fujifilm X-E5 with the XF 23mm lens. I think that Canon missed an opportunity with the EOS M line.

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remarkably, Panasonic Lumix G100D and Lumix 20/1.7 is almost the replacement size wise and IQ wise to my M3 and M6 mk I.

also the Lumix 12-32 is rather nice also.

KEG said:

remarkably, Panasonic Lumix G100D and Lumix 20/1.7 is almost the replacement size wise and IQ wise to my M3 and M6 mk I.

also the Lumix 12-32 is rather nice also.

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That camera looks to be a good option also. The Fuji X-E5 is slightly bigger than original EOS-M.

davinci953 said:

KEG said:

remarkably, Panasonic Lumix G100D and Lumix 20/1.7 is almost the replacement size wise and IQ wise to my M3 and M6 mk I.

also the Lumix 12-32 is rather nice also.

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That camera looks to be a good option also. The Fuji X-E5 is slightly bigger than original EOS-M.

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You'll have to be quick if you want to buy the G100D new. At WEX it's only available as a kit with the 12-32mm, https://www.wexphotovideo.com/panas...wMzA2MzMkbzIkZzAkdDE3NTUwMzA2MzMkajYwJGwwJGgw and that lens is no longer available separately in the UK, even direct from Panasonic.

OM System OMD-5 II is almost the same size and I am fairly sure that G100 is getting a mark II.

KEG said:

davinci953 said:

I was recently in Spain and decided to take the original EOS M with me as my main camera along with the EF-M 22mm and EF-M 18-55mm lenses. The EF-M 22mm was on the camera the entire trip, and I was very happy with the images. I wanted a small, lightweight kit, and the EOS M ticked all the boxes. I liked it so much that after using Canon cameras for the past 15 years, I preordered a Fujifilm X-E5 with the XF 23mm lens. I think that Canon missed an opportunity with the EOS M line.

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remarkably, Panasonic Lumix G100D and Lumix 20/1.7 is almost the replacement size wise and IQ wise to my M3 and M6 mk I.

also the Lumix 12-32 is rather nice also.

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It is almost as small and cute as the EOS M3











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KEG

Sittatunga said:

davinci953 said:

KEG said:

remarkably, Panasonic Lumix G100D and Lumix 20/1.7 is almost the replacement size wise and IQ wise to my M3 and M6 mk I.

also the Lumix 12-32 is rather nice also.

Click to expand...

That camera looks to be a good option also. The Fuji X-E5 is slightly bigger than original EOS-M.

Click to expand...

You'll have to be quick if you want to buy the G100D new. At WEX it's only available as a kit with the 12-32mm, https://www.wexphotovideo.com/panas...wMzA2MzMkbzIkZzAkdDE3NTUwMzA2MzMkajYwJGwwJGgw and that lens is no longer available separately in the UK, even direct from Panasonic.

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People are still somehow able to find ZS100/TZ100 new even though they where discontinued in 2023, also the G100D is in the top ten sales list in japan.

But get it while you can.

It also shares battery with the incredibly and surprisingly popular Lumix TZ99/ZS99.

KEG said:

davinci953 said:

I was recently in Spain and decided to take the original EOS M with me as my main camera along with the EF-M 22mm and EF-M 18-55mm lenses. The EF-M 22mm was on the camera the entire trip, and I was very happy with the images. I wanted a small, lightweight kit, and the EOS M ticked all the boxes. I liked it so much that after using Canon cameras for the past 15 years, I preordered a Fujifilm X-E5 with the XF 23mm lens. I think that Canon missed an opportunity with the EOS M line.

Click to expand...

remarkably, Panasonic Lumix G100D and Lumix 20/1.7 is almost the replacement size wise and IQ wise to my M3 and M6 mk I.

also the Lumix 12-32 is rather nice also.

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The G100D is a nice size, but it is a shame that it does not include IBIS like the rest of the Panasonic bodies.

The rather modest 20 MP (lower than 32 MP aps-c) and wide lenses makes up for the lack of IBIS.

I have also never owned a camera with ibis so maybe I don't know what I am missing.