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Does the RF at $4999 look like a better option with the drop of the Sony RX1 Riii for $5098?

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I'll wager it would be a good bit larger.

I'm in part of the group of people Fuji was targeting with this camera---medium format in the smallest package possible. So, much larger and it moves out of my size range. Once something gets big enough I need a bag to carry it, then I've already got cameras in that range. This doesn't duplicate what I already have in medium format, it expands upon it.

The VF checks another box for me----it's definitely acceptable, the articulating screen another, the leaf shutter another. I can live with the FL; it used to be one of my favorites decades ago. Fuji had good reasons behind all these design choices, and I'm in that group that agrees with them.
 
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The same for me at IBM. Wander all over the proverbial map to spend time with the folks who were going to buy whatever that next thing was going to be. Worked surprisingly well.

At Ericsson, the customer was the carrier - not the end users. So plenty of opportunities for me to redo what we had been asked to make - into what they should have asked for. Not the best way of going about it.

At BlackBerry, it was pretty much a total mess. Which explains what happened to them.

Stan
 
JimKasson said:
There is no substitute for that kind of customer exposure.
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Could not agree more. I work with companies on digital systems, processes and interfaces and I tend to challenge the techies to look at their solutions from the point of view of the customer who does not have their training. Very revealing and beneficial, because as soon as they do that there are improvements that benefit the customers.
 
Lukacs85 said:
tex said:
I have an RX1R2 and the RF---the latter is much easier to handle for me. The RF's viewfinder also is far superior. The Sony you kind of hold with your fingers, the RF with your hands.

YMMV! Some people LOVE teeny stuff; I don't, and I don't have especially big hands. The Sony would be fine for smaller women, probably.
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Imagine GFX100RF with 45mm f2.5 lens and Sony AI AF.
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Now you are making me drool...and I wouldnt mind the larger size of a faster lens...More stability to hold with a neck strap....Fuji are you listening? That would make the 100RF a no brainer for me.
 
jhorse said:
JimKasson said:
There is no substitute for that kind of customer exposure.
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Could not agree more. I work with companies on digital systems, processes and interfaces and I tend to challenge the techies to look at their solutions from the point of view of the customer who does not have their training. Very revealing and beneficial, because as soon as they do that there are improvements that benefit the customers.
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Try reading the manual for the open source raw convertor, darktable. It gives you a very good sense of what one engineer with no concept of a lay user writing for another engineer with no concept of a lay user sounds like....
 
To be honest, if I was already in the Sony eco-system and liked it and use to it, I may go with the Sony over the Fuji 100 RF. Presumably it would make the matching of results easier and I would already know how to deal the files, I do like the small body of the Sony and the faster lens. All this said, i am not personally interested in the Sony. There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
 
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
 
RangerPhotog said:
To be honest, if I was already in the Sony eco-system and liked it and use to it, I may go with the Sony over the Fuji 100 RF. Presumably it would make the matching of results easier and I would already know how to deal the files, I do like the small body of the Sony and the faster lens. All this said, i am not personally interested in the Sony. There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF
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100RF is reasonably priced.
RangerPhotog said:
just like there are with the Sony.
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Sony is definitely overpriced.
 
JimKasson said:
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
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From earlier conversations in this forum, that was my point exactly, the RF is a DEAL.
 
RangerPhotog said:
To be honest, if I was already in the Sony eco-system and liked it and use to it, I may go with the Sony over the Fuji 100 RF.
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I am in the Sony system and went with the RF, and have no regrets. I am actually so satisfied with how people look out of the Fuji system, I am thinking of getting an x-h2s to compliment the RF.

If Sony had came out with the R3 first, I am still not sure I would have bought the R3 as I have an a7cr with 24/2.8, 40/2.5, 35/1.8 and some GM primes, and the R3 is just too small. As it stands the A7CR and the 40/2.5 will give you everything you are getting out of the R3 and more. And for practical use, the additional space the A7CR/40G take up over the R3 is a non issue.

RangerPhotog said:
Presumably it would make the matching of results easier and I would already know how to deal the files, I do like the small body of the Sony and the faster lens. All this said, i am not personally interested in the Sony. There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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The R3 just confirms how sweet of a deal, the RF truly is...
 
jhunna said:
JimKasson said:
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
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From earlier conversations in this forum, that was my point exactly, the RF is a DEAL.
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While the camera is not for everyone, I don't think that there's any question that it's attractively priced for what it is.
 
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JimKasson said:
jhunna said:
JimKasson said:
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
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From earlier conversations in this forum, that was my point exactly, the RF is a DEAL.
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While the camera is not for everyone, I don't think that there's any question that it's attractively priced for what it is.
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Agreed, but as RangerPhotog, stated, a lot of people complained about the cost of $5000 for a camera without IBIS and only f4. The R3 makes the value of the RF a lot easier to see.
 
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jhunna said:
JimKasson said:
jhunna said:
JimKasson said:
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
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From earlier conversations in this forum, that was my point exactly, the RF is a DEAL.
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While the camera is not for everyone, I don't think that there's any question that it's attractively priced for what it is.
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Agreed, but as RangerPhotog, stated, a lot of people complained about the cost of $5000 for a camera without IBIS and only f4.
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I can see that some folks would want those features, but that doesn't make the camera as it is overpriced.
jhunna said:
The R3 makes the value of the RF a lot easier to see.
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JimKasson said:
jhunna said:
JimKasson said:
jhunna said:
JimKasson said:
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
Click to expand...
100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
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From earlier conversations in this forum, that was my point exactly, the RF is a DEAL.
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While the camera is not for everyone, I don't think that there's any question that it's attractively priced for what it is.
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Agreed, but as RangerPhotog, stated, a lot of people complained about the cost of $5000 for a camera without IBIS and only f4.
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I can see that some folks would want those features, but that doesn't make the camera as it is overpriced.
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For a 45/2 lens or even a 45/2.8 lens I am willing to take a bigger lens on the 100RF and willing to part with $6K.

That would make it an undisputed king to rule them all (FLCs)😊
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JimKasson said:
The R3 makes the value of the RF a lot easier to see.
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RangerPhotog said:
JimKasson said:
RangerPhotog said:
There were a lot of people upset over the pricing of the 100RF just like there are with the Sony.
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100 MP medium format with a lens for less than $5K, and people are complaining about the price?
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Yes they did in this forum and YouTube. You really don't recall this?
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Link to discussion in this forum, please. I don't do YouTube photo videobloggers. I have found that the SNR is very low there.
 
getting all those links together. There were lots. If you really must have them, I'll see if I can find time to collect them all, although I'm pretty slammed this week; but I'd rather you trusted us on this one. Most were linked to "No IBIS? F4?" negative comments.
 
you'd have even more comments along the lines of "why not just get a GFX 50-somethingand the smallest lens?"
 
tex said:
getting all those links together. There were lots. If you really must have them, I'll see if I can find time to collect them all, although I'm pretty slammed this week; but I'd rather you trusted us on this one. Most were linked to "No IBIS? F4?" negative comments.
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I'm not thinking of complaints about the way the camera is designed and the choices made by the designers. I'm thinking about complaints that the camera as designed isn't worth the price asked for those folks who are comfortable with the design choices. It seems to me that it's a lot of camera for the money.
 
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