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All in the title as I'd expect that body for the end of this year now.
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Any rumors about A7Rvi out there?
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AlephNull
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There are a couple of YouTube videos - fakes made by AI - filled with garbage claims about what's going to be in it. Flights of fancy.
There are some people who know what features are planned for the A7RVI. They work for Sony. They simply cannot tell you. Anyone who does tell you what's going to be in the A7RVI, is lying, either deliberately, or by bing misled by another person.
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conclusion no strong rumors so far... So my other conclusion would be that the delivery of the camera will be delayed.
The "R" series have been released like every 3 years or so. End of this year seemed to be on track, but no rumors at all at 6 months before my guessed release date is a good indicator... Well let's be patient then.
Craig Gillette
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If betting on things like this, I'd definitely expect the A7v to come first.
PetaPixel had a prediction that the RVI was coming out this year, and they predicted features it would probably have. A few sites ran with that, but of course do not mention this was a prediction and instead presented it as a rumor. Somewhat different.
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Sony Alpha Rumors just posted from "trusted sources" the A7V is coming. I remember they had announced the rumor of the forthcoming 16-35MM GMII and while it did get released, they were way off when it came to the release date.
Craig Gillette
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The A7iv isn't current to the A7Rv system upgrades, as are the A6700, A7Cii, A7CR, A9iii A1ii. It's just "due." It's the baseline general purpose mirror-less model. To get a second new version of the others before bringing the A7series current seems wildly unlikely.
Logan Nolag
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Yeah I would expect the A7V, A7SIV and or FX3II, FX6II and possibly FX30II to all come out before the A7RVI. As such I’m guessing we won’t see the A7RVI until sometime next year at the earliest.
Really the only current features the A7RV is missing are the expanded touch controls which were added to the A7SIII and A1, dynamic active stead shot and automatic reframing which the A7CR has, and automatic subject recognition from the A1II which was also just added to several older models.
Weirdly the A7RV is the only current model that is now lacking these features which makes me hopeful that it will get a firmware update soon. If it does than I think the only things the A7RVI are likely to get will be a higher resolution sensor and possibly an improved frame rate.
Really the only current features the A7RV is missing are the expanded touch controls which were added to the A7SIII and A1, dynamic active stead shot and automatic reframing which the A7CR has, and automatic subject recognition from the A1II which was also just added to several older models.
Weirdly the A7RV is the only current model that is now lacking these features which makes me hopeful that it will get a firmware update soon. If it does than I think the only things the A7RVI are likely to get will be a higher resolution sensor and possibly an improved frame rate.
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I suspect Sony to catchup Panasonic for the high res next A7R with at least false colors and certainly new features (but clearly not the 40fps burst shot)
Don Hutcheson
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For landscape / back-packing, I'd buy an A7RVI with higher res (80-100 MP), in-camera pixel shift processing, less weight and a friendlier UI. Reduced rolling shutter would be a bonus. But if Nikon can make an R7 III with pixel shift and higher-res EOF, or if Canon can add back pixel shift to the R5II, I'd buy either of those first.
PWPhotography
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Personally I'd only interest if,
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
- Much better sensor, stacked is a must to me for considering upgrade that will basically eliminate rolling shutter so I can mostly shoot on e-shutter as on A1.
- DR is at least as good as A7r V if on stacked sensor and hope could be even better.
- 61mp is sufficient to me. Squeezing more pixels without improving DR is not what I wanted.
- Much improved AI-based eye-detection and AF tracking on various subjects and 30fps max burst rate.
- Much improved video features.
- If could be smaller/lighter.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55485085@N04/albums
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I differ on the resolution. I think a jump is needed to keep us from lusting after the latest high res medium format options. I trust that Sony can up the resolution without any deleterious effects. I also do not need market leading video from the “r” model. They need to focus on the highest still image quality possible, and of course it’s going to have an incredible EVF. Really, I think Sony needs to consider this model as competing against medium format (the 100MP models from Hassy and Fuji). The GFX 150S is next.
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Logan Nolag
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Yeah I agree. What PWPhotography is describing is essentially just the A1II minus the smaller and lighter part.
Honestly right now I'm almost 100% satisfied with my A7RV so the only things I would really like to see in the A7RV are the following.
- A1II/A9III Body
- 94+mp matching the pixel density of the Fuji 40mp APSC sensor at the very least although more is always better in my opinion. Would love to see 150mp or more some day.
- Improved autofocus closer to the performance of the A1II and A9III and most importantly the Auto mode that was added to the A1II, A7CR and A7CII
- 100% autofocus frame coverage so more points that fill the whole sensor
- Higher burst rate would be nice maybe 12 - 15 fps with full uncompressed/lossless compressed RAW
- Faster sensor readout so video isn't so wobbly
- Larger/Higher Resolution and brighter rear screen
Craig Gillette
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I don't think it will happened easily but a resetting of the camera types/positions in the competitive/application range might be interesting. More a "what if?" than a prediction. The A7R series is currently quite the generalist camera,
Break into two types, the even higher res, no worrying about file sizes, frame rates as much, etc., crop space bump, and an uptuned "generalist," keeping resolution at 61 mp or so, frame rates could be higher, video integration, still maybe a stacked sensor or faster read to reduce or eliminate rolling shutter.
Break into two types, the even higher res, no worrying about file sizes, frame rates as much, etc., crop space bump, and an uptuned "generalist," keeping resolution at 61 mp or so, frame rates could be higher, video integration, still maybe a stacked sensor or faster read to reduce or eliminate rolling shutter.
PWPhotography
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It's a decade old topic that could be debated in another thread. Not trying to be off-topic of this thread so just make short
The sensor size not amount of pixels is a decisive factor in IQ. To my eyes, 50mp Fuji medium GFX 50s I/II still clearly has IQ advantages over 61mp A7r V in DR, tonality (from dark to bright) that ultimately decide IQ. 100mp FF never equals to 100mp 0.8x MF. I really believe merely squeezing pixels is not difficult but maintaining IQ at 100% size is a very challenging task, as otherwise Sony and Canon would have already delivered.--
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It's a decade old topic that could be debated in another thread. Not trying to be off-topic of this thread so just make short
Craig Gillette
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We had ongoing complaints that the A7Riv was "too noisy," not consensus but still repeated at times now. Again, not deleterious per se but larger file sizes will drive concerns about storage, transfer and processing. When looking to more bursts, recapture or other processing, that might hit some computer hardware concerns. So higher resolution may not be "bad," it might not be universally popular.We all understand what you are saying about higher res not automatically equaling better image quality. I noted that “I trust that Sony can up the resolution without any deleterious effects.” If Sony cannot, then that’s another story. There may of course be a point of diminishing returns, but that keeps shifting over time. I am not aware of any consensus that image quality was compromised, for example, when Sony went from 42 megapixels to 61 megapixels. If there’s no negative result, the cropability alone is an advantage, and more detail is another.It's a decade old topic that could be debated in another thread. Not trying to be off-topic of this thread so just make short
PWPhotography
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Indeed A7r IV/V per-pixel (may not the right term) IQ is not as good as A7r III/II but close that is enough to most. The argument is that you have at least the same IQ if not slightly better when comparing at the same output size ;-) But if without improving sensor technology, the diminishing return will be more and more obvious when you squeezing more and more pixels such as 100mp. On current sensor technology such 100mp sensor will be pretty noisy in high ISOs when viewing in full size, and DR will not be good either at base ISO in full size when you pushing shadow aggressively. You'd have to reduce output size. Then what's point? lolWe had ongoing complaints that the A7Riv was "too noisy," not consensus but still repeated at times now. Again, not deleterious per se but larger file sizes will drive concerns about storage, transfer and processing. When looking to more bursts, recapture or other processing, that might hit some computer hardware concerns. So higher resolution may not be "bad," it might not be universally popular.We all understand what you are saying about higher res not automatically equaling better image quality. I noted that “I trust that Sony can up the resolution without any deleterious effects.” If Sony cannot, then that’s another story. There may of course be a point of diminishing returns, but that keeps shifting over time. I am not aware of any consensus that image quality was compromised, for example, when Sony went from 42 megapixels to 61 megapixels. If there’s no negative result, the cropability alone is an advantage, and more detail is another.It's a decade old topic that could be debated in another thread. Not trying to be off-topic of this thread so just make short
Hope Sony will improve sensor significantly on rumored new sensor design.
Sony talks about the future of the Alpha business: New sensors coming and more “innovative” lenses! | sonyalpharumors
Sony published a new corporate report that is highly interesting 1) New sensor tech is coming! Sony has made it clear that it is currently working on a newly commissioned advanced process technology. This will enable the production of the new multi-layer stacking (three layers). In addition, the...
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Logan Nolag
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That sort of thing only matters when shooting handheld in less than ideal conditions. On a tripod or in good light higher resolution is always better.Indeed A7r IV/V per-pixel (may not the right term) IQ is not as good as A7r III/II but close that is enough to most. The argument is that you have at least the same IQ if not slightly better when comparing at the same output size ;-) But if without improving sensor technology, the diminishing return will be more and more obvious when you squeezing more and more pixels such as 100mp. On current sensor technology such 100mp sensor will be pretty noisy in high ISOs when viewing in full size, and DR will not be good either at base ISO in full size when you pushing shadow aggressively. You'd have to reduce output size. Then what's point? lolWe had ongoing complaints that the A7Riv was "too noisy," not consensus but still repeated at times now. Again, not deleterious per se but larger file sizes will drive concerns about storage, transfer and processing. When looking to more bursts, recapture or other processing, that might hit some computer hardware concerns. So higher resolution may not be "bad," it might not be universally popular.We all understand what you are saying about higher res not automatically equaling better image quality. I noted that “I trust that Sony can up the resolution without any deleterious effects.” If Sony cannot, then that’s another story. There may of course be a point of diminishing returns, but that keeps shifting over time. I am not aware of any consensus that image quality was compromised, for example, when Sony went from 42 megapixels to 61 megapixels. If there’s no negative result, the cropability alone is an advantage, and more detail is another.It's a decade old topic that could be debated in another thread. Not trying to be off-topic of this thread so just make short
Hope Sony will improve sensor significantly on rumored new sensor design.
https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/son...ew-sensors-coming-and-more-innovative-lenses/
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