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I found this site, after being inspired by an email sent out to members of our camera club, which had this link;

Yosemite Special Edition Photographs - Black and White - AAG – Page 2 – The Ansel Adams Gallery

Amazing photography! Interesting to note that the "How to" link advocates using full frame, for best results - but surely if we watch our settings with our 4/3 sensor type cameras we could achieve results- of course bearing in mind too, that Ansel Adams and other photographers like him had talent well above and beyond most!

The other one that struck a chord, was the "Don't get bogged down in rules" one :-D
 
Shooting B&W and shooting in RAW can be tricky.

On my M-10 II, I have three monotone mysets and had them set to LSF + RAW. When I put an image in the develop module in Lightroom, the image immediately turns to a color version (RAW I assume.) It was also a problem with printing. BTW, turning them from monotone LSF to .TIF in OM Workspace didn't remove the color information from the file.

So, my mysets are LSF only now which limits post processing a little.
 
Amazing photography! Interesting to note that the "How to" link advocates using full frame, for best results
But Ansel Adams favored an 8 x 10 view camera, so suggesting one could shoot like him using the tiny FF format is stretching things a bit. :-D
 
The other one that struck a chord, was the "Don't get bogged down in rules" one :-D
Which isn't saying don't care about the rules. Know when it is effective to let go the rules and when it isn't. In other words know the rules but don't let that cramp your style either.

I always smile when "artists" pride in not being restrained by the rule as an excuse to hide their lack of technique. Picasso was both artistic and very skilled. His style was by choice not by incapability. The same can not be said for every one.

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Roger
 
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I must be the only 'photographer' on the planet that doesn't 'get' Ansel Adams - I don't especially like his work, I find it dark and foreboding and wouldn't want it on my walls. I suspect that if I saw large prints, I might see them differently - small digital copies don't seem to do his original vision justice.

But the one thing I have learned over the years about great landscape photography is that it takes a significant investment in time and effort - an investment that most of us can't commit to.

Often a great photograph of a fabulous scene is after visiting the site many times for the best light - going out early to get it just after sunrise, waiting for hours for the right light or weather, hiking many miles to a position off the beaten track, getting into awkward spots for the best angle, carrying a tripod and heavier gear etc. etc.

Most of us just have to do the best we can when out for a walk with other people and catch the scene quickly, hand held and can't afford it the luxury of waiting for better light or weather.

So if you want to shoot like a great landscape photographer - you need to put in the hard yards. The rest of us just hope to get lucky now and then and not to louse it up if a nice opportunity presents itself.
 
I must be the only 'photographer' on the planet that doesn't 'get' Ansel Adams - I don't especially like his work, I find it dark and foreboding and wouldn't want it on my walls. I suspect that if I saw large prints, I might see them differently - small digital copies don't seem to do his original vision justice.
No, there at least two of us :-)

I've read his books and the general advice is good, especially with respect to visualising your intended final result. He never used the invented word "previsualization", which has come into common use especially in the film industry.

I found his "zone system" to be less than useful, but that's just me. As for the prints, yes they're impressive technically. But artistically they leave me cold. Over the years I've heard the "could you do better?" response too many times to count, but that could be asked about anything I don't happen to like. Adams is a cult figure in photography and his followers take umbrage when anyone is critical of his work or methods.
But the one thing I have learned over the years about great landscape photography is that it takes a significant investment in time and effort - an investment that most of us can't commit to.

Often a great photograph of a fabulous scene is after visiting the site many times for the best light - going out early to get it just after sunrise, waiting for hours for the right light or weather, hiking many miles to a position off the beaten track, getting into awkward spots for the best angle, carrying a tripod and heavier gear etc. etc.
Adams often mounted his camera on the roof of a car, so I imagine he didn't do as much hiking as might normally be assumed. He wasn't a lone photographer but had assistants to do the heavy lifting - both figuratively and literally. Not uncommon of course, but often glossed over.
Most of us just have to do the best we can when out for a walk with other people and catch the scene quickly, hand held and can't afford it the luxury of waiting for better light or weather.
That's definitely a "me too" :-)
So if you want to shoot like a great landscape photographer - you need to put in the hard yards. The rest of us just hope to get lucky now and then and not to louse it up if a nice opportunity presents itself.
 
I like some of his images and not others, pretty typical for landscape in my experience.

I agree that many of them were composed to be viewed large. Landscape especially requires different approaches to composition at different viewing scales.

I was introduced to this photographer through a sidebar conversation with the Mod of the Open forum. Not every one of her images strikes a chord with me, but her style is what I admire in landscape.

https://viktoriahaackphotography.ca/portfolio/the-grand-landscape/

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Possibly essential part of being a proper landscape photographer : dedication to trek to locations all hours patience especially inhospitable weather.

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I just don't have this dedication. I appreciate those that do.

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Photography after all is interplay of light alongside perspective.
 
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go to photogenic places and wait for the light. No need to think like someone else. Those that put the effort into their art get the results.
 
I must be the only 'photographer' on the planet that doesn't 'get' Ansel Adams - I don't especially like his work, I find it dark and foreboding and wouldn't want it on my walls. I suspect that if I saw large prints, I might see them differently - small digital copies don't seem to do his original vision justice.
No, there at least two of us :-)

I've read his books and the general advice is good, especially with respect to visualising your intended final result. He never used the invented word "previsualization", which has come into common use especially in the film industry.
Apologies if this comes across as pedantic, but over the years (starting with my dad teaching me about Adams' approach to photography and introducing me to the zone system in the field and in our basement darkroom), I've spent a good amount of time trying to understand and apply what he meant when he referred to "visualization". It's clear from his extensive writing, that "visualization" is fundamental to his overall approach. However, I struggled to feel like I fully understood it (or otherwise accepted its validity given my personal "reading" of Adams' own photography). It wasn't until I came across Minor White's refinement and reworking of the concept of "visualization" into "previsualization" and "postvisualization" that the mist around "visualization" began to clear for me.

If you're not already familiar with Minor White, l urge you to check out his oeuvre but also his writings about photography. He was a star student of Adams at the California School of Fine Arts who quickly went on to becoming a noteworthy photographer. His greatest influence, however, is probably from his photography pedagogy. He ended up replacing Adams as the lead photography teacher at the California School of Arts and then went on to a long teaching career at the Rochester Institute of Technology. He taught or influenced many of the great mid- and late-20th Century B&W photographers and authored many articles and several books.

White introduced the dichotomy of "camera-as-brush" vs. "camera-as-extension-of-vision" and broke down these two "attitudes" toward photography into five elements of how photographers go about producing a photographic print:
  • Attitude Toward Surface (i.e., paper type and effort to emphasize or hide the influence of the two-dimensional presentation of the image).
  • Attitude Toward the Hand (i.e., image manipulation in various forms, many of which were frowned upon by the "straight" photographers like Adams, despite their own frequent use of some forms of hand manipulation, like dodging and burning).
  • Attitude Toward Composition (i.e., the influence of compositional rules and imitation of painting styles).
  • Attitude Toward Visual Reality (i.e., how things like blur and filtering are used to manipulate literal/documentary capture and presentation of the photographed scene).
  • Attitude Toward Creative Continuity (i.e. terminating creative activity at the exposure stage or extending it to the output stage, which was the darkroom in the film era and photo processing and editing software in the digital era).
All five elements factor into how much a particular photographic image reflects a camera-as-brush-attitude or camera-as-extension-of-vision attitude, but it's the fifth element that most strongly relates to why White split "visualization" into "previsualization" and "postvisualization". In The New Zone System Manual, White (with Richard Zakaria and Peter Lorenz) defined previsualization as visualizing the photograph while studying the subject and postvisualization as remembering back to the plan of the photograph or projecting forward to new combinations during the output stage (i.e., darkroom/printing stage in the film era).

Because Adams almost exclusively shot landscapes or otherwise staged/studio settings, his "attitude" toward creative continuity was strongly biased toward previsualizing (in White's terms) the final look he intended to produce in the print and doing everything required to facilitate that during image capture. Adams maintained that the extensive darkroom work he engaged in was in the service of bringing forth what he visualized at image-capture time. He rejected the validity of "projecting forward to new combinations" and, therefore, never really needed to break apart or open up "visualization" into something more fluid and nuanced. He was rather rigid in that respect (due in large part to his early passion to break photography away from pictorialism and imitation of painting).

To me, however, White's revision is far more reflective of how photography as an artistic process really works, especially as it has moved beyond the early photography-as-an-independent-art-form that Adams helped to establish. The purist previsualization attitude that Adams claimed for his own work is, I believe, contradicted by his own evolving darkroom efforts. It's not just that paper and chemistry changed. Adams, himself changed his postvisualizing when producing prints later in his life from negatives taken years earlier. The best example of this changing attitude can be seen in his famous Moonrise image. On numerous occassions I've seen various renditions of this shot printed by Adams himself and the difference is considerable. Adams' efforts to address this in his autobiography is kind of BS. He claimed that he achieved his original "vision" of the scene only his late prints when he darkened the sky further to obscure the clouds. There was no reason why he couldn't have achieved the same "vision" in his earlier printed renderings of the shot. He was secretly engaging in postvisualization but didn't want to admit it!
I found his "zone system" to be less than useful, but that's just me. As for the prints, yes they're impressive technically. But artistically they leave me cold. Over the years I've heard the "could you do better?" response too many times to count, but that could be asked about anything I don't happen to like. Adams is a cult figure in photography and his followers take umbrage when anyone is critical of his work or methods.
It's important to put Adams (as well as many of the other great early B&W art photographers) in historical context. He was instrumental in advancing photography as a fine art, and that should be appreciated even if one doesn't necessarily resonate to his work.
But the one thing I have learned over the years about great landscape photography is that it takes a significant investment in time and effort - an investment that most of us can't commit to.

Often a great photograph of a fabulous scene is after visiting the site many times for the best light - going out early to get it just after sunrise, waiting for hours for the right light or weather, hiking many miles to a position off the beaten track, getting into awkward spots for the best angle, carrying a tripod and heavier gear etc. etc.
Adams often mounted his camera on the roof of a car, so I imagine he didn't do as much hiking as might normally be assumed. He wasn't a lone photographer but had assistants to do the heavy lifting - both figuratively and literally. Not uncommon of course, but often glossed over.
Not for most of his iconic early work, for sure. Most of his assistance was in the darkroom and most of that was after he was well established and his prints and his training skills were in demand. Yes, he drove around with a platform on the top of his auto for some of his national parks work, but he quite often engaged in grueling hikes and camping trips to get the shots he got. He was accompanied by Cedric Wright on many of these trips, but Wright was a photographer himself and to the extent he was "assisting" Adams, Adams was also "assisting" Wright. I think its a mischaracterization to say that Adams' assistants did the "heavy lifting..."
Most of us just have to do the best we can when out for a walk with other people and catch the scene quickly, hand held and can't afford it the luxury of waiting for better light or weather.
That's definitely a "me too" :-)
So if you want to shoot like a great landscape photographer - you need to put in the hard yards. The rest of us just hope to get lucky now and then and not to louse it up if a nice opportunity presents itself.
 
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A brief glance weather forecast a brief glance out the window. Then off I set.

Leaving it up to serendipity.

Pretty much sums up my photography including landscapes.
 
Interesting, helpful…

Although I’m not a highly capable photographer, landscape is my interest. One of the reasons I shoot RAW is that it is hard to capture my experience of a scene using jpeg.

For sure, post visualisation is there too, but I can see continuity between my intent at the point of capture and how the RAW is processed.

How does that work for you?

Andrew
 
Some random thoughts --

Before anything else, Adams put in the hours and work. He spent time in the field doing photography and in the darkroom developing his craft. And he worked equally hard at promoting himself and his work, including his writings and teaching of the 'zone system'. And you might note that he made his living as a commercial and industrial photographer before he became famous as an artist.

Like some above, I was never much a fan of Adam's photography. I much prefer the work of his contemporary California photographers Edward Weston and Imogen Cunningham. But I did learn a ton about film technique from his zone system books.

The zone system adapts very well to digital photography. It was not workable for most film photographers because it requires individual developing of each negative, but of course in digital we do "develop" photos one by one. For digital the system flips -- Adams said "expose for the shadows, develop for the highlights." In digital it becomes expose for the highlights, develop for the shadows -- essentially the ETTR (Expose To The Right) system many digital photographers use.

I do follow Adam's "visualization" advice, as I understand it. Essentially I try to visualize what the finished photo will look like on screen or in a print while I'm shooting. I try to think in terms of light, color, and composition, where the tones will fall, and how the digital system will interpret them. Sometimes that means take two steps to the left or move forward or back. Sometimes in means come back at a better time of day, or come back on a cloudy day. Sometimes it comes down to "Move along, dude. This one ain't gonna work."

Gato
 
Interesting, helpful…

Although I’m not a highly capable photographer, landscape is my interest. One of the reasons I shoot RAW is that it is hard to capture my experience of a scene using jpeg.

For sure, post visualisation is there too, but I can see continuity between my intent at the point of capture and how the RAW is processed.

How does that work for you?
That is THE QUESTION! It's the question that I struggle with a lot, primarily because often at capture time in my mind's eye I see a number of different visualizations for how the image might be presented. For me personally, the idea of a unitary vision - as if there's just one optimal or correct presentation of what I "saw" and "experienced" or what I want to convey about the scene - is an over-simplification. Although I believe I understand what Adams was getting at (and what Stieglitz was referring to when he talked about "equivalence"), I can't get past the reductionism of it all. What I see and experience when I encounter a scene that resonates with me and that I want to photograph is often too multifaceted and even conflicting to be summed up in a singular vision. Sometimes I "know" or intuit that something is there and worth exploring with a capture and subsequent playing, but I just can't put it all together in the moment. So what? Pressing the digital shutter is virtually free and optimizing the exposure for the widest range of possible renderings is usually controllable, so getting too hung up on the previsualization aspect of it can be counterproductive. And that's especially so in the age of digital.

I just got back from a trip to Oregon. Time at Cannon Beach was limited and weather wasn't very accommodating, but I got a few shots that I think have some possibility. Below is one that I'm starting to play with. I took the shot at early morning low tide. The famous "haystack" was somewhat obscured by mist/fog but not in a way that I felt would be particularly interesting by itself (it's a hackneyed shot, as such). Rather, the shot "spoke" to me because of the snaking "river" and pooling of water in the foreground. I visualized several possibilities including processing in ACR/PS in a rather high key way but also in very moody (Adams-esque) low-key way. It's a shot I expected would require more "camera as brush" attitude than "camera as extension of vision" attitude, to put it in White's terms. Was my vision confused or deficient because I knew I'd need to rely on postvisualization? Well, I don't really worry about that. I think I can reveal one of my several previsualizations in a final rendering that satisfies my aesthetic threshold. Time will tell.

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I can see an image in that!

Here is one where I was out with other photographers and one said, something like - “how do I capture that?”

This is definitely the image I saw at that moment.

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The hole in the sky was very obvious with the naked eye, but disappears in a JPEG.

This image was more of an experiment but sort of emerged during processing.

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This one was an accident due to the awful CDAF on the A7R.

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I only rescued it from the bin years after taking it.

Not sure what all that means, but it seems to fit the analysis you posted.

Andrew

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Infinite are the arguments of mages. Truth is a jewel with many facets. Ursula K LeGuin
Please feel free to edit any images that I post
 
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As AA aged, his cameras got smaller. By the 1960s he was using Hasselblads prominently and often. Throughout his career he used a wide range of cameras for personal; and commercial work. "Beaumont Newhall narrated Larry Dawson's 1957 film, Ansel Adams, Photographer, and described Adams's photographic gear:
"...A fine craftsman employs different tools for different purposes. Item: one 8 x 10 view camera, 20 holders, 4 lenses -- 1 Cooke Convertible, 1 ten-inch Wide Field Ektar, 1 9-inch Dagor, one 6-3/4-inch Wollensak wide angle. Item: one 7 x 17 special panorama camera with a Protar 13-1/2-inch lens and five holders. Item: one 4 x 5 view camera, 6 lenses -- 12-inch Collinear, 8-1/2 Apo[chromatic] Lentar, 9-1/4 Apo[chromatic] Tessar, 4-inch Wide Field Ektar, Dallmeyer [...] telephoto.

"Item: One Hasselblad camera outfit with 38, 60, 80, 135, & 200 millimeter lenses. Item: One Koniflex 35 millimeter camera. Item: 2 Polaroid cameras. Item: 3 exposure meters. One SEI, and two Westons -- in case he drops one."
 
I can see an image in that!

Here is one where I was out with other photographers and one said, something like - “how do I capture that?”

This is definitely the image I saw at that moment.

c576505d397341b7bd88a40ec2772e24.jpg

The hole in the sky was very obvious with the naked eye, but disappears in a JPEG.
Yes, I think that's exactly what Adams is getting at with respect to "visualization". It's about what you perceive in the scene and emotionally respond to. How to recreate that from a two dimensional linear recording constrained by DR, color representation, blur, etc. is the problem that Adams is telling us to solve by working back from the visualized output to the camera and processing inputs. However, one of the key differences between digital (when shooting raw) and film is that there is an unavoidable destructive stage with film (development) that significantly increases the stakes for locking in your visualization of the output prior to pressing the shutter. In this respect, the importance of visualization is heightened for someone shooting JPEG-only (or exposing for JPEG). Your shot above nicely illustrates that challenge.
This image was more of an experiment but sort of emerged during processing.

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White referred to using his "attitude" elements to "read" a photograph and the photographer's intent. I think your experiment above reveals where your (pre)visualization was unresolved with respect to the attitude toward visual reality element. The ambiguity of what is most in-focus and why is where the (pre)visualization being communicated here is ambiguous to me. The "experimental" nature of the rendering, as you put it, can be read here.
This one was an accident due to the awful CDAF on the A7R.

f1a309433a3c436eb2f0417472f5712f.jpg

I only rescued it from the bin years after taking it.
I like this shot and how you've rendered it! In White's terms this rendering reads as heavily tilted toward the camera as brush attitude. Your postvisualization is what rescued it from the bin. Query whether Adams' attitude would have blinded him to the possibilities. Presumably, the technical limitations imposed by the camera would have compelled him to toss it.
Not sure what all that means, but it seems to fit the analysis you posted.
Agreed!
 
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I can see an image in that!

Here is one where I was out with other photographers and one said, something like - “how do I capture that?”

This is definitely the image I saw at that moment.

c576505d397341b7bd88a40ec2772e24.jpg

The hole in the sky was very obvious with the naked eye, but disappears in a JPEG.
Yes, I think that's exactly what Adams is getting at with respect to "visualization". It's about what you perceive in the scene and emotionally respond to. How to recreate that from a two dimensional linear recording constrained by DR, color representation, blur, etc. is the problem that Adams is telling us to work back from the visualized output to the camera and processing inputs. However, one of the key differences between digital (when shooting raw) and film is that there is an unavoidable destructive stage with film (development) that significantly increases the stakes for locking in your visualization of the output prior to pressing the shutter. In this respect, the importance of visualization is heightened for someone shooting JPEG-only (or exposing for JPEG). Your shot above nicely illustrates that challenge.
This image was more of an experiment but sort of emerged during processing.

3b3aaf336e7f4fbcbb11a3763d863cb9.jpg
White referred to using his "attitude" elements to "read" a photograph and the photographer's intent. I think your experiment above reveals where your (pre)visualization was unresolved with respect to the attitude toward visual reality element. The ambiguity of what is most in-focus and why is where the (pre)visualization being communicated here is ambiguous to me. The "experimental" nature of the rendering, as you put it, can be read here.
This one was an accident due to the awful CDAF on the A7R.

f1a309433a3c436eb2f0417472f5712f.jpg

I only rescued it from the bin years after taking it.
I like this shot and how you've rendered it! In White's terms this rendering reads as heavily tilted toward the camera as brush attitude. Your postvisualization is what rescued it from the bin. Query whether Adams' attitude would have blinded him to the possibilities. Presumably, the technical limitations imposed by the camera would have compelled him to toss it.
Not sure what all that means, but it seems to fit the analysis you posted.
Agreed!
I think you have explained why I only shoot RAW, and why processing is an integral part of image making for me.

It also explains why I’m itching to get my hands on the RAW of the intriguing image you posted earlier.

Another experience that I have is seeing a photographer’s sky when out and about and thinking where locally would fit. All of these were taken within about 500m of each other, in the Dee Estuary.



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Not so much sky replacement as land selection…

A

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Infinite are the arguments of mages. Truth is a jewel with many facets. Ursula K LeGuin
Please feel free to edit any images that I post
 
I can see an image in that!

Here is one where I was out with other photographers and one said, something like - “how do I capture that?”

This is definitely the image I saw at that moment.

c576505d397341b7bd88a40ec2772e24.jpg

The hole in the sky was very obvious with the naked eye, but disappears in a JPEG.
Yes, I think that's exactly what Adams is getting at with respect to "visualization". It's about what you perceive in the scene and emotionally respond to. How to recreate that from a two dimensional linear recording constrained by DR, color representation, blur, etc. is the problem that Adams is telling us to work back from the visualized output to the camera and processing inputs. However, one of the key differences between digital (when shooting raw) and film is that there is an unavoidable destructive stage with film (development) that significantly increases the stakes for locking in your visualization of the output prior to pressing the shutter. In this respect, the importance of visualization is heightened for someone shooting JPEG-only (or exposing for JPEG). Your shot above nicely illustrates that challenge.
This image was more of an experiment but sort of emerged during processing.

3b3aaf336e7f4fbcbb11a3763d863cb9.jpg
White referred to using his "attitude" elements to "read" a photograph and the photographer's intent. I think your experiment above reveals where your (pre)visualization was unresolved with respect to the attitude toward visual reality element. The ambiguity of what is most in-focus and why is where the (pre)visualization being communicated here is ambiguous to me. The "experimental" nature of the rendering, as you put it, can be read here.
This one was an accident due to the awful CDAF on the A7R.

f1a309433a3c436eb2f0417472f5712f.jpg

I only rescued it from the bin years after taking it.
I like this shot and how you've rendered it! In White's terms this rendering reads as heavily tilted toward the camera as brush attitude. Your postvisualization is what rescued it from the bin. Query whether Adams' attitude would have blinded him to the possibilities. Presumably, the technical limitations imposed by the camera would have compelled him to toss it.
Not sure what all that means, but it seems to fit the analysis you posted.
Agreed!
I think you have explained why I only shoot RAW, and why processing is an integral part of image making for me.

It also explains why I’m itching to get my hands on the RAW of the intriguing image you posted earlier.
I'm a little proprietary about that specific shot because it might eventually make its way to my public website. However, I like the idea of submitting one of the raws from the same shoot to the forum for anyone to play with as a way to continue this interesting exploration of pre/post/visualization. There's one that I don't expect to do anything with but that's still full of potential. These shots were handheld pixel shifts, so that adds another dimension to the possibilities for cropping and pushing around in processing. Could be a fun thread because there are lots of different directions you could go with the images. I'll put together a new thread when I have a bit of time later today and refer back to this one here. Normally, it's the sort of topic that shows up in the Retouching forum, but I kind of like seeing where it goes in this forum.
Another experience that I have is seeing a photographer’s sky when out and about and thinking where locally would fit. All of these were taken within about 500m of each other, in the Dee Estuary.
Yep...skies tend to be the neglected step-children of photographs. Getting the right balance between the sky and the rest of the image is a challenge.
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Not so much sky replacement as land selection…

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Well I can see both the intent and potential in that shot, so I’m not surprised you want to take it forward.

Sometimes, all I can see is sky.



Wormsmeat felt that there was too much sky in this one!
Wormsmeat felt that there was too much sky in this one!



I don’t think he would have liked this either
I don’t think he would have liked this either



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Infinite are the arguments of mages. Truth is a jewel with many facets. Ursula K LeGuin
Please feel free to edit any images that I post
 
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