Pancakes - Olympus 17mm f2.8 v Olympus 14-42 EZ

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I have an occasionally used Olympus PEN E-PM1. While the user interface leaves a lot to be desired, and it's now an old camera, it it one of the most compact m43 cameras, has really nice output, and so still has some value as a camera.

To make more use of the camera, I'm thinking of getting a pancake lens to permanently keep on the body. I'm interested in the Olympus 17 f2.8 lens, despite it's known limitations, and the Olympus 14-42 EZ, as it's easier to find.

I enjoy the 17mm focal length (I already have the 17mm f1.8) and this would, to me, be a very natural pairing. A digital XA2 if you like. The EZ zoom has come on my radar as they are easier to find, and are equally compact. I'd prefer the speed of the 17 f2.8 though.

I'm curious to hear the experience of those who have had both, or which one you'd choose in my position. I'm not considering the Panasonic pancakes.
 
I have an occasionally used Olympus PEN E-PM1. While the user interface leaves a lot to be desired, and it's now an old camera, it it one of the most compact m43 cameras, has really nice output, and so still has some value as a camera.

To make more use of the camera, I'm thinking of getting a pancake lens to permanently keep on the body. I'm interested in the Olympus 17 f2.8 lens, despite it's known limitations, and the Olympus 14-42 EZ, as it's easier to find.

I enjoy the 17mm focal length (I already have the 17mm f1.8) and this would, to me, be a very natural pairing. A digital XA2 if you like. The EZ zoom has come on my radar as they are easier to find, and are equally compact. I'd prefer the speed of the 17 f2.8 though.

I'm curious to hear the experience of those who have had both, or which one you'd choose in my position. I'm not considering the Panasonic pancakes.
I have been using the 14-42 EZ for years as the compact lens that gets selected for general EDC and travel, and have never been disappointed...for those use cases (I'm a zoom guy; the primes are not in my bag, so I cannot compare). I've used it on all the E-M10 series, the Em5 III and the OM-5 and now the OM-3. Only the OM-1 series is left out just because I think it looks kind of goofy on that camera. I lose the weather sealing of the 12-45 f/4 but with the pancake it's easy enough to put it in my jacket pocket. I had the Panny 12-32 but I use the focus peaking a lot and couldn't abide the lack of a manual focus ring

A few with the 14-42EZ.. if you don't mind.


E-M10 IV Sunset Scene Mode


OM-3 mono profile


OM-3 color profile


OM-3 mono profile


OM-5 HHHR
 

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Since last week I also own an E-PM1 as I had the 17 mm f/2.8 to spare. I used the 14-42 ez a lot an I'm planning to try it on the E-PM1 as well. The main difference between these lenses is focus speed. The 14-42 ez is much faster to focus and will make it possible to use saf with things like moving cats, dogs, kids. The 17 mm f/2.8 is slower to focus and a tiny bit faster than the ez at 14 mm f/3.5 but it has a really nice rendering in my opinion.

Look into the automatic lens cap LC-37C as it will also work on both lenses (unofficially on the 17 mm f/2.8). It makes the combo a real compact camera but with a largish sensor.
 
I've owned both. Never really liked the EZ, the results always looked a bit flat but perhaps that's just me. The similar(ish) Panasonic PZ pancake zoom is much better.

The 17/2.8 is an unassuming little lens; it's not clinically sharp but has lovely colour and especially good overall rendering. I've used it off and on as long as it has existed - and that's basically for ever in M43 terms. It's a lens for photographers rather than lens testers.
 
Thanks for all the information, and the sample images. Sounds like positive experiences for both lenses. Thank you!
 
Wider than 17, but I have the PL 14/2.5 permanently on my E-PL1.
 
You might consider the Panasonic 12-32 pancake. Although it has a reputation for the zoom ring coming loose (uses double sided tape), many reviews show it sharper then the Olympus 14-42 lenses, and it does have built-in OIS, which I feel is superior to the screw motors that make the coffee grinder noises in the EPM1.
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I bought my silver EPM1 in early 2021 about 22 months of EPL1 ownership. A very elegant camera, and I liked the SCP interface, .7300 clicks today. IBIS still works, but internal date battery dies years ago, I often used a VF2 with it,
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Other small lenses I own that work nice are the Panasonic 14mm and the slow focusing P20mm.
 
You might consider the Panasonic 12-32 pancake. Although it has a reputation for the zoom ring coming loose (uses double sided tape), many reviews show it sharper then the Olympus 14-42 lenses, and it does have built-in OIS, which I feel is superior to the screw motors that make the coffee grinder noises in the EPM1.
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I bought my silver EPM1 in early 2021 about 22 months of EPL1 ownership. A very elegant camera, and I liked the SCP interface, .7300 clicks today. IBIS still works, but internal date battery dies years ago, I often used a VF2 with it,
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Other small lenses I own that work nice are the Panasonic 14mm and the slow focusing P20mm.
From the OP opening post.

”I’m curious to hear the experience of those who have had both, or which one you'd choose in my position. I'm not considering the Panasonic pancakes.”
 
You might consider the Panasonic 12-32 pancake. Although it has a reputation for the zoom ring coming loose (uses double sided tape), many reviews show it sharper then the Olympus 14-42 lenses, and it does have built-in OIS, which I feel is superior to the screw motors that make the coffee grinder noises in the EPM1.
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I bought my silver EPM1 in early 2021 about 22 months of EPL1 ownership. A very elegant camera, and I liked the SCP interface, .7300 clicks today. IBIS still works, but internal date battery dies years ago, I often used a VF2 with it,
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Other small lenses I own that work nice are the Panasonic 14mm and the slow focusing P20mm.
From the OP opening post.

”I’m curious to hear the experience of those who have had both, or which one you'd choose in my position. I'm not considering the Panasonic pancakes.”
Gary - you're right!

Turns out that the OP has made several changes from the list offered back in 2022...

Olympus 17mm f2.8 pancake prime.
Panasonic 20mm f1.7 pancake prime.
Olympus 14-42mm f3.5~5.6 EZ pancake zoom.
Panasonic 12-32mm f3.5~5.6 Mega OIS G zoom.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4649348
..............

My advice?

If still interested in the 17mm 2.8, perhaps wait no longer - nearly all of them are likely to be at least 15 years old by now?

After maybe reading through the replies you got last time, have a look here - for photos still being taken and uploaded by owners thereof...
https://www.flickr.com/groups/mzuiko17mm/pool/

And if you then think you should try one yourself, do so by buying from a decent online store - sending it back within the return window if not fully satisfied. [Ditto re the 14-42 EZ]

For example...
https://www.wexphotovideo.com/olymp...-micro-four-thirds-pancake-lens-used-3258360/
++++

I try to keep my own outfit fully "mix and match" - and fairly rigorously dispose of the cameras and lenses that don't play nicely together.... the Lumix 14mm f2.5 and 14-42 PZ were two of the first to go, followed not long after by Oly's PM1, M10 II, PL5 and P5.

Peter

PS - This will take you to a similar "Pool" of 14-42 EZ owners' photos...
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2596089@N21/pool/

Mine continues to hang on by its fingernails... yes, it's convenient to carry and use but - on a dull British day - the results are often rather less than impressive. Much better though with some sunshine! [An issue for me, not a fault as such, but there's no OIS in it for my several IBIS-less Lumixes]

My little collection, using a variety of cameras is here...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/132932913@N02/albums/72177720298262589/with/49011297013
 
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I used my 14-42 EZ for about 6 months, a used copy that came with my E-P7. IQ wasn't bad, just nothing inspiring but that is to be expected for its price. Slow aperture didn't bother me much as I also have fast primes, but I found myself using my primes 90% of the time over the EZ.

The electronic zoom feels alright, plenty responsive with the zoom speed setting set to high. It's not as fast as manual zooms obviously, but still fast enough nonetheless for most circumstances.

The greatest attribute of the EZ is just how small it is when retracted, coming to about 2 body caps in terms of thickness. Mounted on a small body like the GM1 or E-P7 and it becomes almost pocketable, a PnS camera that can change lenses if you will. The auto lens cap (JJC copies are cheap but work just fine) adds a lot to its convenience factor.

I do have one major gripe against the EZ however, the internal ribbon cable is fragile and prone to breaking. I mentioned I used my EZ for 6 months, because on my 6th month of ownership my EZ had its cable broken while I was out on a photowalk. Other folks reported successful self-repair efforts after ordering the cable part on eBay, but I never bothered and the EZ sat on my shelf ever since. This isn't to say the EZ in general only lasts for 6 months, but keep in mind the possible wear and tear on the ribbon cable if you are shopping for a used copy.

It's not a bad lens at all for how cheap it can be found on the used market (I can still find used copies for ~100USD). I comfort myself by treating the EZ not as a regular long-lasting lens but rather as a consumable item. If it breaks, it's easy enough to find another copy for cheap.
 
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I used my 14-42 EZ for about 6 months, a used copy that came with my E-P7. IQ wasn't bad, just nothing inspiring but that is to be expected for its price. Slow aperture didn't bother me much as I also have fast primes, but I found myself using my primes 90% of the time over the EZ.

The electronic zoom feels alright, plenty responsive with the zoom speed setting set to high. It's not as fast as manual zooms obviously, but still fast enough nonetheless for most circumstances.

The greatest attribute of the EZ is just how small it is when retracted, coming to about 2 body caps in terms of thickness. Mounted on a small body like the GM1 or E-P7 and it becomes almost pocketable, a PnS camera that can change lenses if you will. The auto lens cap (JJC copies are cheap but work just fine) adds a lot to its convenience factor.

I do have one major gripe against the EZ however, the internal ribbon cable is fragile and prone to breaking. I mentioned I used my EZ for 6 months, because on my 6th month of ownership my EZ had its cable broken while I was out on a photowalk. Other folks reported successful self-repair efforts after ordering the cable part on eBay, but I never bothered and the EZ sat on my shelf ever since. This isn't to say the EZ in general only lasts for 6 months, but keep in mind the possible wear and tear on the ribbon cable if you are shopping for a used copy.

It's not a bad lens at all for how cheap it can be found on the used market (I can still find used copies for ~100USD). I comfort myself by treating the EZ not as a regular long-lasting lens but rather as a consumable item. If it breaks, it's easy enough to find another copy for cheap.
Don't know for sure - as none of the four I've had (3 kept, one passed to a chum) have ever come apart - but presumably there's a ribbon cable in the little 12-32... and in almost every other lens that expands by more than the slightest amount?

Perhaps faulty or particularly frail components are to blame, or just the use their owners have made of them, but reports of issues with the various Oly 14-42s and their MFT 9-18 zoom do seem to appear more frequently than any others I can immediately think of?

Offhand, I can recall only one such failure among my own gear - which very sadly killed off the tip-up EVF on my 2004 favourite, the Konica Minolta A2 !

Peter
 
I used my 14-42 EZ for about 6 months, a used copy that came with my E-P7. IQ wasn't bad, just nothing inspiring but that is to be expected for its price. Slow aperture didn't bother me much as I also have fast primes, but I found myself using my primes 90% of the time over the EZ.

The electronic zoom feels alright, plenty responsive with the zoom speed setting set to high. It's not as fast as manual zooms obviously, but still fast enough nonetheless for most circumstances.

The greatest attribute of the EZ is just how small it is when retracted, coming to about 2 body caps in terms of thickness. Mounted on a small body like the GM1 or E-P7 and it becomes almost pocketable, a PnS camera that can change lenses if you will. The auto lens cap (JJC copies are cheap but work just fine) adds a lot to its convenience factor.

I do have one major gripe against the EZ however, the internal ribbon cable is fragile and prone to breaking. I mentioned I used my EZ for 6 months, because on my 6th month of ownership my EZ had its cable broken while I was out on a photowalk. Other folks reported successful self-repair efforts after ordering the cable part on eBay, but I never bothered and the EZ sat on my shelf ever since. This isn't to say the EZ in general only lasts for 6 months, but keep in mind the possible wear and tear on the ribbon cable if you are shopping for a used copy.

It's not a bad lens at all for how cheap it can be found on the used market (I can still find used copies for ~100USD). I comfort myself by treating the EZ not as a regular long-lasting lens but rather as a consumable item. If it breaks, it's easy enough to find another copy for cheap.
Don't know for sure - as none of the four I've had (3 kept, one passed to a chum) have ever come apart - but presumably there's a ribbon cable in the little 12-32... and in almost every other lens that expands by more than the slightest amount?

Perhaps faulty or particularly frail components are to blame, or just the use their owners have made of them, but reports of issues with the various Oly 14-42s and their MFT 9-18 zoom do seem to appear more frequently than any others I can immediately think of?

Offhand, I can recall only one such failure among my own gear - which very sadly killed off the tip-up EVF on my 2004 favourite, the Konica Minolta A2 !

Peter
I suspect high ownership rates of the the Oly 14-42mm EZ may have contributed to its rather high reported failure rates. The EZ as a kit lens came bundled with multiple PEN models, as well as the E-M10.3 and E-M10.4. Used copies are everywhere and could be picked up for cheap. Can't be sure if it's an inherent build quality issue, or if it's simply due to a larger sample size.

That being said, the EZ is cheap and plentiful enough for me to treat it as an expensive lens cap that can also take photos.
 
May I suggest the Panasonic 14/2.5. It is even lighter and 1.5 mm smaller than the Olympus 17/2.8.

I considered the 17/2.8 for my E-PL7 as a walk around lens as well. I thought about the 14-42 EZ, its Panasonic equivalent, and the 12-32 mm lens. Here is my decision process:

I dismissed all zoom lenses. Yes they are small and compact but they need to be extended and retracted. I don't like to wait for the electronic zooms to extend and zoom in and out. They also make some noise. When I carry my EDC camera and I see a photo opportunity, I don't want to extend lenses and zoom to a preferred position. At least with the 12-32, you can manually gauge the zoom. But the electronic zooms, not so much. I actually owned the 12-32 with a GM1 years ago and the constant extending and retracting was just so annoying. Also, when I want to carry my camera powered on, ready to shoot, it is no longer so small and compact because the lens has to be kept extended.

The 17/2.8 was then my next choice. But I already owned the lens (came with my first E-P1) and while it is nicely compact its autofocus is pretty bad and I found it optically to be pretty mediocre, on par with the kit zoom at the time. Some say it has nice rendering, I personally never saw anything special. It is not a bad lens but considering its age, the used market prices, I thought it not worth the money.

I eventually decided on the Panasonic 14/2.5. It is somewhat wider but is optically very good and has fast, silent and reliable AF. It is like having a cheap GRIII ;-). Also, the used prices are still pretty ok.

Another alternative could be the 17/1.8 if the 35 mm POV is important to you. This one is slightly more expensive and slightly larger (but still smaller than the extended zooms). You get better low light performance, thinner DOF (if its important to you) and good optical performance, not the best, but better than either zoom or the 17/2.8.

TL;DR:

The zooms are impractical if you carry your camera powered on for quick photo opportunities. I used to own the 12-32.

The 17/2.8 as it's size as an advantage but is optically mediocre, old and IMO too expensive used. I used to own one.

The Pana 14/2.5 is a good choice: Small size, good AF and optically quite nice if the 28 mm FOV is ok for you. I own this one myself.

The Oly 17/1.8 could be a slightly larger alternative with good AF, good optics and even good manual focus. I own this one myself.
 
I used my 14-42 EZ for about 6 months, a used copy that came with my E-P7. IQ wasn't bad, just nothing inspiring but that is to be expected for its price. Slow aperture didn't bother me much as I also have fast primes, but I found myself using my primes 90% of the time over the EZ.

The electronic zoom feels alright, plenty responsive with the zoom speed setting set to high. It's not as fast as manual zooms obviously, but still fast enough nonetheless for most circumstances.

The greatest attribute of the EZ is just how small it is when retracted, coming to about 2 body caps in terms of thickness. Mounted on a small body like the GM1 or E-P7 and it becomes almost pocketable, a PnS camera that can change lenses if you will. The auto lens cap (JJC copies are cheap but work just fine) adds a lot to its convenience factor.

I do have one major gripe against the EZ however, the internal ribbon cable is fragile and prone to breaking. I mentioned I used my EZ for 6 months, because on my 6th month of ownership my EZ had its cable broken while I was out on a photowalk. Other folks reported successful self-repair efforts after ordering the cable part on eBay, but I never bothered and the EZ sat on my shelf ever since. This isn't to say the EZ in general only lasts for 6 months, but keep in mind the possible wear and tear on the ribbon cable if you are shopping for a used copy.

It's not a bad lens at all for how cheap it can be found on the used market (I can still find used copies for ~100USD). I comfort myself by treating the EZ not as a regular long-lasting lens but rather as a consumable item. If it breaks, it's easy enough to find another copy for cheap.
Don't know for sure - as none of the four I've had (3 kept, one passed to a chum) have ever come apart - but presumably there's a ribbon cable in the little 12-32... and in almost every other lens that expands by more than the slightest amount?

Perhaps faulty or particularly frail components are to blame, or just the use their owners have made of them, but reports of issues with the various Oly 14-42s and their MFT 9-18 zoom do seem to appear more frequently than any others I can immediately think of?

Offhand, I can recall only one such failure among my own gear - which very sadly killed off the tip-up EVF on my 2004 favourite, the Konica Minolta A2 !

Peter
I suspect high ownership rates of the the Oly 14-42mm EZ may have contributed to its rather high reported failure rates. The EZ as a kit lens came bundled with multiple PEN models, as well as the E-M10.3 and E-M10.4. Used copies are everywhere and could be picked up for cheap. Can't be sure if it's an inherent build quality issue, or if it's simply due to a larger sample size.

That being said, the EZ is cheap and plentiful enough for me to treat it as an expensive lens cap that can also take photos.
Adding an inexpensive automatic opening lens cap from JJC makes it convenient to use and you can’t lose it like a standard lens cap.
 
I used my 14-42 EZ for about 6 months, a used copy that came with my E-P7. IQ wasn't bad, just nothing inspiring but that is to be expected for its price. Slow aperture didn't bother me much as I also have fast primes, but I found myself using my primes 90% of the time over the EZ.

The electronic zoom feels alright, plenty responsive with the zoom speed setting set to high. It's not as fast as manual zooms obviously, but still fast enough nonetheless for most circumstances.

The greatest attribute of the EZ is just how small it is when retracted, coming to about 2 body caps in terms of thickness. Mounted on a small body like the GM1 or E-P7 and it becomes almost pocketable, a PnS camera that can change lenses if you will. The auto lens cap (JJC copies are cheap but work just fine) adds a lot to its convenience factor.

I do have one major gripe against the EZ however, the internal ribbon cable is fragile and prone to breaking. I mentioned I used my EZ for 6 months, because on my 6th month of ownership my EZ had its cable broken while I was out on a photowalk. Other folks reported successful self-repair efforts after ordering the cable part on eBay, but I never bothered and the EZ sat on my shelf ever since. This isn't to say the EZ in general only lasts for 6 months, but keep in mind the possible wear and tear on the ribbon cable if you are shopping for a used copy.

It's not a bad lens at all for how cheap it can be found on the used market (I can still find used copies for ~100USD). I comfort myself by treating the EZ not as a regular long-lasting lens but rather as a consumable item. If it breaks, it's easy enough to find another copy for cheap.
Don't know for sure - as none of the four I've had (3 kept, one passed to a chum) have ever come apart - but presumably there's a ribbon cable in the little 12-32... and in almost every other lens that expands by more than the slightest amount?

Perhaps faulty or particularly frail components are to blame, or just the use their owners have made of them, but reports of issues with the various Oly 14-42s and their MFT 9-18 zoom do seem to appear more frequently than any others I can immediately think of?

Offhand, I can recall only one such failure among my own gear - which very sadly killed off the tip-up EVF on my 2004 favourite, the Konica Minolta A2 !

Peter
I suspect high ownership rates of the the Oly 14-42mm EZ may have contributed to its rather high reported failure rates. The EZ as a kit lens came bundled with multiple PEN models, as well as the E-M10.3 and E-M10.4. Used copies are everywhere and could be picked up for cheap. Can't be sure if it's an inherent build quality issue, or if it's simply due to a larger sample size.

That being said, the EZ is cheap and plentiful enough for me to treat it as an expensive lens cap that can also take photos.
Adding an inexpensive automatic opening lens cap from JJC makes it convenient to use and you can’t lose it like a standard lens cap.
With so little need for filters these days, those auto-caps are a great accessory!

Your post nudged me into looking back - and the Oly version I bought in August 2019 has gone DOWN in price, but by only a very few pence - to some £34. Here that's available in silver or black.

Soon afterwards, I went on to buy the JJC cap for the 14-42 EZ (for roughly half as much as the one above), after reading that it worked on the 12-32 Lumix BETTER than the one they offered specifically for that zoom - but couldn't put up with the wide-end vignetting it caused.

Here in the UK, Amazon seem to only have stock of the black JJC at about £17 - but possibly the silver one can be had from China via ebay (that's what I had to do recently, for a silver "proper" version of the three petal one that JJC offer for the 12-32).

TBH, both are good on the 14 42 EZ- speeding the startup, and doing away with free-floating lens caps!

Peter
 
I used my 14-42 EZ for about 6 months, a used copy that came with my E-P7. IQ wasn't bad, just nothing inspiring but that is to be expected for its price. Slow aperture didn't bother me much as I also have fast primes, but I found myself using my primes 90% of the time over the EZ.

The electronic zoom feels alright, plenty responsive with the zoom speed setting set to high. It's not as fast as manual zooms obviously, but still fast enough nonetheless for most circumstances.

The greatest attribute of the EZ is just how small it is when retracted, coming to about 2 body caps in terms of thickness. Mounted on a small body like the GM1 or E-P7 and it becomes almost pocketable, a PnS camera that can change lenses if you will. The auto lens cap (JJC copies are cheap but work just fine) adds a lot to its convenience factor.

I do have one major gripe against the EZ however, the internal ribbon cable is fragile and prone to breaking. I mentioned I used my EZ for 6 months, because on my 6th month of ownership my EZ had its cable broken while I was out on a photowalk. Other folks reported successful self-repair efforts after ordering the cable part on eBay, but I never bothered and the EZ sat on my shelf ever since. This isn't to say the EZ in general only lasts for 6 months, but keep in mind the possible wear and tear on the ribbon cable if you are shopping for a used copy.

It's not a bad lens at all for how cheap it can be found on the used market (I can still find used copies for ~100USD). I comfort myself by treating the EZ not as a regular long-lasting lens but rather as a consumable item. If it breaks, it's easy enough to find another copy for cheap.
Don't know for sure - as none of the four I've had (3 kept, one passed to a chum) have ever come apart - but presumably there's a ribbon cable in the little 12-32... and in almost every other lens that expands by more than the slightest amount?

Perhaps faulty or particularly frail components are to blame, or just the use their owners have made of them, but reports of issues with the various Oly 14-42s and their MFT 9-18 zoom do seem to appear more frequently than any others I can immediately think of?

Offhand, I can recall only one such failure among my own gear - which very sadly killed off the tip-up EVF on my 2004 favourite, the Konica Minolta A2 !

Peter
I suspect high ownership rates of the the Oly 14-42mm EZ may have contributed to its rather high reported failure rates. The EZ as a kit lens came bundled with multiple PEN models, as well as the E-M10.3 and E-M10.4. Used copies are everywhere and could be picked up for cheap. Can't be sure if it's an inherent build quality issue, or if it's simply due to a larger sample size.

That being said, the EZ is cheap and plentiful enough for me to treat it as an expensive lens cap that can also take photos.
Adding an inexpensive automatic opening lens cap from JJC makes it convenient to use and you can’t lose it like a standard lens cap.
With so little need for filters these days, those auto-caps are a great accessory!

Your post nudged me into looking back - and the Oly version I bought in August 2019 has gone DOWN in price, but by only a very few pence - to some £34. Here that's available in silver or black.

Soon afterwards, I went on to buy the JJC cap for the 14-42 EZ (for roughly half as much as the one above), after reading that it worked on the 12-32 Lumix BETTER than the one they offered specifically for that zoom - but couldn't put up with the wide-end vignetting it caused.

Here in the UK, Amazon seem to only have stock of the black JJC at about £17 - but possibly the silver one can be had from China via ebay (that's what I had to do recently, for a silver "proper" version of the three petal one that JJC offer for the 12-32).

TBH, both are good on the 14 42 EZ- speeding the startup, and doing away with free-floating lens caps!

Peter
And, that fiddly, tiddly little lens cap for the 14-42 EZ is bound to get lost in about a minute after removal, if only in the bottom of the camera bag.
 
And, that fiddly, tiddly little lens cap for the 14-42 EZ is bound to get lost in about a minute after removal, if only in the bottom of the camera bag.
Down wherever it is that one's special allen key goes, with the biro pen tops and change for the parking meter....

Peter
 
Thanks again to all who offered their experience.

As Gary has pointed out, my thoughts on this specific thread were on the two Olympus pancake lenses. I think the Panasonic pancake lenses have enough information and user experience in the public domain already.

I have been using primes a lot more recently, and already have the 17mm F1.8. It's a focal length I enjoy, on micro four thirds and in 35mm with my XA, and FM2n with 35mm f2. That's why I've more or less dismissed the 14mm and 20mm Lumix lenses.

The collapsible zoom is a more left-field choice. 'm not sure how long I'd trust the ribbon cable, and I know I'd get frustrated having to "unlock" the lens for use. Useful advice considering the age of the 17mm f2.8.

Just have to find one now at the right price.
 
I find the E-PM1 to be a very well designed camera and fun to use, it just needs setting up right. In terms of lenses I find the 14-42 EZ to be a very competent performer and it fits well on the PM1, so definitely a recommend on that one.

Another lens for consideration, which makes this camera really tiny, is the 7Artisans 18mm F6.3 body cap lens, put the camera in MF mode, set focus as desired, art filter to grainy black and white, auto-ISO, and you can have a lot of fun with this setup in the right conditions, think low-fi Tri-X and let your imagination run riot.
 

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