Complementary lens to 35mm

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I have A7II, some zooms and for low-light/thiner DoF Sony 35mm F1.8. I'll like to add some fast telelens to this set. Maybe something smaller and cheaper as it'd used occasionally for portraits, kids and probably kid's performances in the future. And here is my question - what would you suggest? Below are my ideas:

First choice was TTartisan 75mm F2.0 - cheapest option (around 240€), not best but decent for this price, quite small, I like bokeh. Or Samyang 75mm F1.8 (new 360€) almost the same performance.

But I realized then that 50mm on APS-C camera was the least used lens and for portraits I prefer longer focal lengths. But 105 or 135mm are heavier, bigger and more expensive. So as compromise 85-90mm would be sweet spot.

So I found that Sigma 90mm F2.8 (650€) is recommended in this forum more than Sony 85mm F1.8 (480€). Sony is sharp, weather sealed, best AF of all mentioned lenses, I like it's bokeh but aged. On the other hand I'm not big fan of Sigma's bokeh, but is smaller, sharp and there is something tempting in this lens. My concern is bigger DoF while wide open.

For "only head" portraits model is about 2,0m for 85mm (2,1m for 90mm to keep model-frame ratio) what gives 6cm DoF for Sony and 9cm for Sigma. "Whole body" photo means about 6 - 6,4m distance (Sony - Sigma), what gives 53cm DoF vs 81cm. Is this difference significant in real life or negligible.

But when we are talking about 90mm F2.8 - maybe consider some macro lens and have dual use lens. Sony 90mm F2.8 (1070€) is not so fast when scoring AF, but Tamron 90mm F2.8 (640€) is quite fast. Both gives decent photos. But those lenses are big and heavy. And in terms of size could compete with Tamron 70-180 F2.8 (1070€ G1, 1150€ G2)(which is not macro lens but provides 2,6x zoom and could replace other telelens simplifying my set).

Currently my first choice is Sigma 90mm, second is Tamron 90mm Macro and safe backup option is Sony 85mm.

Will be I safisfied with portraits taken with those lenses? In low-light situation I'm aware higher ISO to compensate lack of photons. But life is full of compromises.
 
So I've watched Mark Galer's reviews. Before it I was in 80% for Sigma, now I'm 50/50 between Sigma and Sony.
It won't be fast and easy choice... as always in photography.
So the Mark Galer review put you off the Sigma? What 90mm SONY is the other 50? The Macro? ;-)

Only shows you how incompatible some people's ideas here are as his review made me get one. Here is a shot, re-posted as I am a lazy bugger sometimes, I believe in APS-C mode?? Can't remember now, but I often used this mode to get a touch closer.

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Whatever it was, that put you off, good luck with your decision!

Deed
Yeah, it’s surprising. The Galer review was one of the things that swung me for the sigma. It’s quite the endorsement that someone who can doubtless get whatever Sony kit they want as an ambassador is choosing to buy a third party option.
I wouldn't say that review put me off Sigma. Rather showed me that, despite the age, Sony is no worse. I'd like to see G2 of it, which will be smaller and with faster AF. But sticking to currently available gear choice is between bigger, native, fully weather sealed and faster 2,67 steps than my current lens at this focal length or smaller, lighter, more "sexy" but only 1,33 steps faster.
And final decision is about if F2.8 is enough in low light situation.
 
I have A7II, some zooms and for low-light/thiner DoF Sony 35mm F1.8. I'll like to add some fast telelens to this set. Maybe something smaller and cheaper as it'd used occasionally for portraits, kids and probably kid's performances in the future. And here is my question - what would you suggest? Below are my ideas:

First choice was TTartisan 75mm F2.0 - cheapest option (around 240€), not best but decent for this price, quite small, I like bokeh. Or Samyang 75mm F1.8 (new 360€) almost the same performance.
I wonder why you say "not best but decent for the price". Did you actually shot with it or just referencing what other reviewers have said?

I mean, not a single lens in this range can touch the TTArtisan for the price. I paid $143 for one last week, and have been shooting with it wide open over the weekend and I truly don't understand how they did it.

Incredibly small and light for an f/2 lens, AF could be a bit better, but what can you expect?

Even if is just for the price alone, is worth to have one.

I suggest you check this video from Hugh Brownstone:

But I realized then that 50mm on APS-C camera was the least used lens and for portraits I prefer longer focal lengths. But 105 or 135mm are heavier, bigger and more expensive. So as compromise 85-90mm would be sweet spot.

So I found that Sigma 90mm F2.8 (650€) is recommended in this forum more than Sony 85mm F1.8 (480€). Sony is sharp, weather sealed, best AF of all mentioned lenses, I like it's bokeh but aged. On the other hand I'm not big fan of Sigma's bokeh, but is smaller, sharp and there is something tempting in this lens. My concern is bigger DoF while wide open.

For "only head" portraits model is about 2,0m for 85mm (2,1m for 90mm to keep model-frame ratio) what gives 6cm DoF for Sony and 9cm for Sigma. "Whole body" photo means about 6 - 6,4m distance (Sony - Sigma), what gives 53cm DoF vs 81cm. Is this difference significant in real life or negligible.

But when we are talking about 90mm F2.8 - maybe consider some macro lens and have dual use lens. Sony 90mm F2.8 (1070€) is not so fast when scoring AF, but Tamron 90mm F2.8 (640€) is quite fast. Both gives decent photos. But those lenses are big and heavy. And in terms of size could compete with Tamron 70-180 F2.8 (1070€ G1, 1150€ G2)(which is not macro lens but provides 2,6x zoom and could replace other telelens simplifying my set).

Currently my first choice is Sigma 90mm, second is Tamron 90mm Macro and safe backup option is Sony 85mm.

Will be I safisfied with portraits taken with those lenses? In low-light situation I'm aware higher ISO to compensate lack of photons. But life is full of compromises.
 
I have A7II, some zooms and for low-light/thiner DoF Sony 35mm F1.8. I'll like to add some fast telelens to this set. Maybe something smaller and cheaper as it'd used occasionally for portraits, kids and probably kid's performances in the future. And here is my question - what would you suggest? Below are my ideas:

First choice was TTartisan 75mm F2.0 - cheapest option (around 240€), not best but decent for this price, quite small, I like bokeh. Or Samyang 75mm F1.8 (new 360€) almost the same performance.
I wonder why you say "not best but decent for the price". Did you actually shot with it or just referencing what other reviewers have said?
I like Christopher Frost reviews as uses the same body and the same locations for long period so there is good comparison between lenses. And agree that lenses are better and better every time.
I mean, not a single lens in this range can touch the TTArtisan for the price. I paid $143 for one last week, and have been shooting with it wide open over the weekend and I truly don't understand how they did it.

Incredibly small and light for an f/2 lens, AF could be a bit better, but what can you expect?
After this summary of your experience, I still would use "decent" for describing it. I don't think it's negative word, just middle in range.
Even if is just for the price alone, is worth to have one.

I suggest you check this video from Hugh Brownstone:
But I realized then that 50mm on APS-C camera was the least used lens and for portraits I prefer longer focal lengths. But 105 or 135mm are heavier, bigger and more expensive. So as compromise 85-90mm would be sweet spot.

So I found that Sigma 90mm F2.8 (650€) is recommended in this forum more than Sony 85mm F1.8 (480€). Sony is sharp, weather sealed, best AF of all mentioned lenses, I like it's bokeh but aged. On the other hand I'm not big fan of Sigma's bokeh, but is smaller, sharp and there is something tempting in this lens. My concern is bigger DoF while wide open.

For "only head" portraits model is about 2,0m for 85mm (2,1m for 90mm to keep model-frame ratio) what gives 6cm DoF for Sony and 9cm for Sigma. "Whole body" photo means about 6 - 6,4m distance (Sony - Sigma), what gives 53cm DoF vs 81cm. Is this difference significant in real life or negligible.

But when we are talking about 90mm F2.8 - maybe consider some macro lens and have dual use lens. Sony 90mm F2.8 (1070€) is not so fast when scoring AF, but Tamron 90mm F2.8 (640€) is quite fast. Both gives decent photos. But those lenses are big and heavy. And in terms of size could compete with Tamron 70-180 F2.8 (1070€ G1, 1150€ G2)(which is not macro lens but provides 2,6x zoom and could replace other telelens simplifying my set).

Currently my first choice is Sigma 90mm, second is Tamron 90mm Macro and safe backup option is Sony 85mm.

Will be I safisfied with portraits taken with those lenses? In low-light situation I'm aware higher ISO to compensate lack of photons. But life is full of compromises.
 
So, there was strange price reduction from 640€ to 480€ in one of chain store. Comparing to used ones 415 - 450€ - real discount. So I've bought Sigma 90mm to test if is okay.

It looks like new item, no visible marks of testing, though, there was no stickers or anything preventing from opening on the box.

Eye AF on A7III when subject is walking slowly works perfectly - 28 keepers out of 30 photos. With fast walking subject, it's no so good - 17/28 keepers. AF lags sometimes - hairs not eyes are sharp. But it was clear that AF is such situations may be not fast enough. So I'm fine

I have also made centering/decentering test according to Phillip Reeve site and results are:



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Right side is perfect, left could be better. What do you think - is it keeper or to return?

I hope to have time to take more tests tomorrow.
 
I have A7II, some zooms and for low-light/thiner DoF Sony 35mm F1.8. I'll like to add some fast telelens to this set. Maybe something smaller and cheaper as it'd used occasionally for portraits, kids and probably kid's performances in the future. And here is my question - what would you suggest? Below are my ideas:

First choice was TTartisan 75mm F2.0 - cheapest option (around 240€), not best but decent for this price, quite small, I like bokeh. Or Samyang 75mm F1.8 (new 360€) almost the same performance.
I wonder why you say "not best but decent for the price". Did you actually shot with it or just referencing what other reviewers have said?
I like Christopher Frost reviews as uses the same body and the same locations for long period so there is good comparison between lenses. And agree that lenses are better and better every time.
I mean, not a single lens in this range can touch the TTArtisan for the price. I paid $143 for one last week, and have been shooting with it wide open over the weekend and I truly don't understand how they did it.

Incredibly small and light for an f/2 lens, AF could be a bit better, but what can you expect?
After this summary of your experience, I still would use "decent" for describing it. I don't think it's negative word, just middle in range.
Fair enough. I'll try to provide more experience as I get more shooting time with it, and bring some examples as well.
Even if is just for the price alone, is worth to have one.

I suggest you check this video from Hugh Brownstone:
But I realized then that 50mm on APS-C camera was the least used lens and for portraits I prefer longer focal lengths. But 105 or 135mm are heavier, bigger and more expensive. So as compromise 85-90mm would be sweet spot.

So I found that Sigma 90mm F2.8 (650€) is recommended in this forum more than Sony 85mm F1.8 (480€). Sony is sharp, weather sealed, best AF of all mentioned lenses, I like it's bokeh but aged. On the other hand I'm not big fan of Sigma's bokeh, but is smaller, sharp and there is something tempting in this lens. My concern is bigger DoF while wide open.

For "only head" portraits model is about 2,0m for 85mm (2,1m for 90mm to keep model-frame ratio) what gives 6cm DoF for Sony and 9cm for Sigma. "Whole body" photo means about 6 - 6,4m distance (Sony - Sigma), what gives 53cm DoF vs 81cm. Is this difference significant in real life or negligible.

But when we are talking about 90mm F2.8 - maybe consider some macro lens and have dual use lens. Sony 90mm F2.8 (1070€) is not so fast when scoring AF, but Tamron 90mm F2.8 (640€) is quite fast. Both gives decent photos. But those lenses are big and heavy. And in terms of size could compete with Tamron 70-180 F2.8 (1070€ G1, 1150€ G2)(which is not macro lens but provides 2,6x zoom and could replace other telelens simplifying my set).

Currently my first choice is Sigma 90mm, second is Tamron 90mm Macro and safe backup option is Sony 85mm.

Will be I safisfied with portraits taken with those lenses? In low-light situation I'm aware higher ISO to compensate lack of photons. But life is full of compromises.
 
That 90/2.8 sample looks pretty good to me, good deal. I think they've been trying to clear out some of the old stock still labeled DN.
 
SONY 90mm an amazing macro lens; heavy. SONY 135mm another fine lens; heavy and expensive. Prefer SONY 20mm or SONY 24-50mm in proportion to camera body. Or manual focus lens from Cosina Voigtlander or any Chinese lens?
 
So I've watched Mark Galer's reviews. Before it I was in 80% for Sigma, now I'm 50/50 between Sigma and Sony.
It won't be fast and easy choice... as always in photography.
So the Mark Galer review put you off the Sigma? What 90mm SONY is the other 50? The Macro? ;-)

Only shows you how incompatible some people's ideas here are as his review made me get one. Here is a shot, re-posted as I am a lazy bugger sometimes, I believe in APS-C mode?? Can't remember now, but I often used this mode to get a touch closer.

64cf8d4bbf6c4a6f9d9c8bbed683bfb7.jpg

a390f6b7943943059cc1ec08625059a6.jpg

Whatever it was, that put you off, good luck with your decision!

Deed
Yeah, it’s surprising. The Galer review was one of the things that swung me for the sigma. It’s quite the endorsement that someone who can doubtless get whatever Sony kit they want as an ambassador is choosing to buy a third party option.
I wouldn't say that review put me off Sigma. Rather showed me that, despite the age, Sony is no worse. I'd like to see G2 of it, which will be smaller and with faster AF. But sticking to currently available gear choice is between bigger, native, fully weather sealed and faster 2,67 steps than my current lens at this focal length or smaller, lighter, more "sexy" but only 1,33 steps faster.
And final decision is about if F2.8 is enough in low light situation.


i had the sony 85 1.8 but the images out of it were meh, sharp but bland and flat. Its also not that small, i replaced it with the sigma 90 f2.8 i series and its everything i want it to be, compact, sharp and with beautiful rendering. Choose the sony 85 if you want slightly faster and more reliable autofocus and a slighter faster min aperture .
 

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