The OM-5ii is pretty nice, but...

The "snapping bottom plate" is a youtuber/influencer made-up problem.
Yeah, right...

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I had my OM-5 countless times on a tripod and never had any issues.
That's because tripods are not the issue.
Of course I'm not a hip youtuber hiking through the scottish highlands while my OM-5 is dangling from my backpack strap via some 3rd party clip.
Then that's all good, you're not part of the demographic affected by the issue.
I tend to either stow away my camera or have it on a strap. But that's just me. 🤷

I also never met anyone (offline or online) who had their bottom plate snap.
Well I've seen a few (as you can see above)
I had the baseplate break on an EM5iii, but the OM-5 has been okay after 18 months (more carful) use. So maybe they did change the design slightly?
It has been confirmed that it's the exact same design on both cameras. Perhaps your more careful use was enough.
With the new grip design on the OM-5ii, it looks like the baseplate is also different? The ribbed area has been extended because the cutout for the rubber cover on the electronic contacts seems have disappeared. I’ve not seen an image of the full baseplate, but if there is no longer a cutout for the contacts then that would be a significant improvement.
I posted an image in the original post. DPR asked OM system if they improved the tripod socket in anyway and OMDS answered by the negative :



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You're right however : the contacts for the additional grip are not present anymore, which may improve the rigidity of the bottom plate.

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It isn’t fake it’s a real issue with that particular clip. I personally don’t believe it’s the manufacturer’s job to make sure their product works with all 3rd party accessories. But in this case it’s a well known issue and they should have fixed it for their customers.
 
I guess my cup is a lot fuller than yours.
I mean apart from some molds used for new body parts (larger grip for the OM-5ii, OM-3, OM-1ii without the Olympus logo on the front,...), everything that those cameras have is coming straight from Olympus R&D :
You mean apart from all the stuff they've done? All the things you list take time and money - these days, the biggest cost is usually manpower.
- the new menu system, processor and stacked sensor of the OM-1 is mostly Olympus era development. The OM-1ii is just a RAM upgrade with a new firmware.
So what? Olympus had good tech and the lead time for development in the camera world is quite extensive. Even with the largest camera company on earth (I mean Apple here - they may not actually make the most cameras but they must be up there...), we get a sense from leaks / rumours of what is coming in 2-3 years time. .
Most industrials making cameras will confirm this : the total time between the project pitch and the release of a new camera is about 2 years.

It's different with other electronics, but when it comes to Macs etc, rumours coming 2/3 years in advance are generally vaporware and not accurate. Reliable rumours are generally only coming a couple of months before release.
- the 20MP chip in the OM-5ii has been introduced in 2016
And? This is the end (perhaps not "the") entry level camera and OMS only has one more recent sensor - why would you expect that to be in an entry level camera?
The OM-5 is a successor to the E-M5 line which is not at all entry level, it's mid-range. Which is also indicated by its pricepoint, which is close to other mid range bodies on the market.

If you want an entry level camera, look at the E-M10IV and the sub-1000 USD pricepoint.
In any case, If you suffer from sensor angst, I would have thought the obvious thing to do is move to a 60+MP sensor system - I don't see M43 making you happy in the foreseeable future. Me, I'm not limited by the sensor, I'm limited by my own abilities.
You're mistaking my intentions. I'm just stating facts here. I never said I had any problem with that sensor, or that I wanted more.
- the 2.36M dot OLED EVF unsed in the OM-3 and 5 lines was introduced on the E-M5iii in 2019

- the OM-5 and OM-5ii's processor was introduced with the E-M1X and E-M1iii in 2019/20
IIRC the EM1X had 2x TruePic VIII not IX. Again, the entry level OM5 is only 1 generation back from the latest processor.

In any case, the processor doesn't actually matter that much - it's what you want to do with it and what you need from it to do what you want to do. Only 1 generation back for the entry-level OM-5; I see nothing to complain about.
Never said there was anything to complain about.
- no new battery type has been introduced since the OM-1, which as previously stated was mostly done under Olympus.
What new battery type is needed right now? The last thing I (if I were a camera manufacturer) would do would be invest valuable resources in battery development until I could see a significant benefit from it. Battery life seems OK to me.
Again, I'm not complaining, just stating facts.
I'll have confidence in OMDS' capabilities in developping cameras when they'll release a new sensor or new processor architechture. For now though, this is just overall nice hardware that isn't too outdated yet being rehoused in different forms.
I actually think they are doing quite well. It takes time to recover from the (necessary and unavoidable) upheaval of being split out of Olympus and restructured; Covid would have slowed them down too.

I suspect that we are seeing the later stages of them sorting out their camera lines (OM-5 looks like a stopgap while they sort their product introduction sequencing out. They are also continuing to introduce new lenses. I think the OM-3 is quite an interesting move.

The acid test will be the OM1.3 when it comes and what they do with that. I anticipate a next gen processor, probably the same sensor (others have said here that sensors aren't moving very fast now); might be some interesting computational stuff.
The next gen processor and sensor is what I want to see. Because so far, OMDS has been relying on what Olympus made before the buyout. A lot of people left the company and with that, competence. SO far all they have done is to rehouse the same components they already had in several different cameras (which are very good cameras, but that's not the point).

I want to see if they are capable of making a new processor (I'm less hopeful for a new sensor, the current chip is quite overkill and can still be used for a few more years).

You took my post like I was complaining. I was not. I was just stating that pretty much 100% of the hardware they're dealing with is taken from Olympus days. I want to see OMDS stuff now. Not because I need it (I don't), but because I need to be sure they are a company worth investing my beads in for future gear purchases.

I'd hate to get an OM-1II, lots of lenses then realize that they don't have the ability to go beyond that, leaving the OM-1II with no upgrade path unless I'm switching systems.
 
But it has USB C and a new menu and a new grip!

And a new color!!!!!!!

I would totally buy it for $500.
The new grip and new color is pretty anecdotal to me. New menus and USB-C though, I'm very happy to see (especially the menus).

But yeah, for $1200 I think I'll pass. Would have been perfect as a $999 release imho. Solid camera for that kind of price, competing extremely well with equivalents from Nikon and Canon (neither of their competing models have IBIS).

At $1200, well it's in striking distance of the $1400 Sony A6700, $1300 Fuji X-S20... and $1000 used OM-1 😬

Which all have better sensors, better autofocus, better video, ... the list is long.
It’s the same price as the original OM-5, but USB-C charging and new menus were what I wanted to upgrade my EM-5iii. I don’t use PD clips, or a tripod with it. So this goes on my list.
As I said a couple times : it's still a great camera and it definitely fits the niche of some users.

If that's the camera for you, then this sound like a pretty nice release.
 
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-5-mark-ii-initial-review

Straight from the DPR preview (review? Is there anything new to review even?)
Better view - and no contacts cutout :-D

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Generally I don't cheer the loss of functionality from new products, especially when they're similar and not cheaper than the last one.

That being said, not seeing it on this bottom plate makes me think it will be a little better than the E-M5iii / OM-5 at holding the camera without breaking. Though there is no additional screw and the plastic cracking problem might still be here...

We'll have to wait for user reviews.

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https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-5-mark-ii-initial-review

Straight from the DPR preview (review? Is there anything new to review even?)
Better view - and no contacts cutout :-D

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Thats mean no battery pack also for bigger grip will be up to 3rd party. Maybe the tripod will be more sturdy (but i would not risk). The grip is not as mandatory, but for something like 100-400, 300 or some heavy lense its quite nice option. But most probably with heavy lense which is also more expensive the ovener would use om-1. But i think 12-100 without grip to use on trip will be less comfortable.

Its nice update but the new menu and usb-c its of course is convienient and sounds nice but not a reason to dump OM-5. To get this camera if it would be first camera or OM-5.1 (and before itterations) would just die.... But as they make them quite sturdy at that time most probably OM-5.3 or even OM-5.4 will ve on the line.

I doubt i will get it.
 
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-5-mark-ii-initial-review

Straight from the DPR preview (review? Is there anything new to review even?)
Better view - and no contacts cutout :-D

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Thats mean no battery pack also for bigger grip will be up to 3rd party. Maybe the tripod will be more sturdy (but i would not risk). The grip is not as mandatory, but for something like 100-400, 300 or some heavy lense its quite nice option. But most probably with heavy lense which is also more expensive the ovener would use om-1. But i think 12-100 without grip to use on trip will be less comfortable.

Its nice update but the new menu and usb-c its of course is convienient and sounds nice but not a reason to dump OM-5. To get this camera if it would be first camera or OM-5.1 (and before itterations) would just die.... But as they make them quite sturdy at that time most probably OM-5.3 or even OM-5.4 will ve on the line.

I doubt i will get it.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the E-M5iii / OM-5 aleready didn't have any battery packs either, did they not?

The bottom contacts were for the ECG-5 grip which provided a forward shutter button and front dial, but there was no battery pack options as far as I'm aware. The last 5-class camera to have that was the E-M5II (and even then, it wasn't a completely new one as it took the HLD-6P unit from the original E-M5.

It's been a while since Olympus / OMSD has put any care at all for vertical battery grip options when it comes to non-1 class cameras, and the enlarged grip on the OM-5ii might have been reason enough to drop it completely (because it would be incompatible with the ECG-5 anyway, and they don't seem so stoked about making a new one it seems)

It's worth noting that the removal of the bottom contacts was done in the cheapest way possible : they didn't bother making a new mold for the bottom plate that would have teh same shape as the grip. Instead, they kept the same plate, just milled the part of the mold that left room for the contacts (we can even still see the shape of the contact opening that the mold has left) and the front grip tapers off at the bottom awkwardly to allow the use of the older plate. Not saying this is bad, but this is the most cost effective way of doing things here (the only more effective option would have been to not change anything).

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https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-5-mark-ii-initial-review

Straight from the DPR preview (review? Is there anything new to review even?)
Better view - and no contacts cutout :-D

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That looks to be more substantial than the bottom plate in the previous models. Eliminating the contacts port also portends to perhaps more reinforcement area being available. Good choice, IMO. This seems to be an entirely new body structure.
 
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No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
 
No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
From what I can see, the top plate is a different design, the main section has a larger grip and the bottom plate has been changed …. adds up to being pretty different from the previous iterations. But you obviously see it differently.
 
USB-C is a modest improvement, and everyone seems to like the new menus (not that I've used them), but the two things I would have liked were an AF joystick and a metal bottom plate. FWIW, I've used the E-M5.1, EM1.2 and GM5 with a PD Capture Clip with no issues, and would use the OM5 with it too if this was safe.

As for new batteries, I dislike having to have multiple form factors there. Since I have zero interest in video and numerous M4/3 lenses the idea of switching systems willy-nilly whenever a new feature debuts does not compute, and larger, heavier, more expensive lenses are not attractive either. YMMV.
 
No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
From what I can see, the top plate is a different design, the main section has a larger grip and the bottom plate has been changed …. adds up to being pretty different from the previous iterations. But you obviously see it differently.
The top plate is basically the same thing, only with rounded corners.

The enlarged grip is clearly just something that was added to the mold of the previous camera.

As pointed out earlier, the bottom plate is the same, just without the contacts' hole (not fitting the new grip shape)



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To me this is just some minor tweaks to an existing design, not an entirely new structure, otherwise OM would have fixed teh tripod issue once and for all, which they didn't (according to OMDS themselves)

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No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
From what I can see, the top plate is a different design, the main section has a larger grip and the bottom plate has been changed …. adds up to being pretty different from the previous iterations. But you obviously see it differently.
The top plate is basically the same thing, only with rounded corners.

The enlarged grip is clearly just something that was added to the mold of the previous camera.

As pointed out earlier, the bottom plate is the same, just without the contacts' hole (not fitting the new grip shape)

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To me this is just some minor tweaks to an existing design, not an entirely new structure, otherwise OM would have fixed teh tripod issue once and for all, which they didn't (according to OMDS themselves)
Well, I really don’t have any idea how the underpinnings of the bottom plate have changed or not, I can only surmise that it’s possible there has been some modification that makes it more substantial without the necessity of a complete replacement by a metal plate. I’ll assume we will see if it’s still an issue once some mountain scaling, PD clip user, tests it out.
 
It isn’t fake it’s a real issue with that particular clip. I personally don’t believe it’s the manufacturer’s job to make sure their product works with all 3rd party accessories. But in this case it’s a well known issue and they should have fixed it for their customers.
Olympus was selling a near identical product on their website at the time when the E-M5 III came out with its plastic bottom plate. I don't use my E-M5 III with any of these devices or on tripods so it does not matter to me.

From my perspective moving to the newer menu is an important update. The menu in my OM-1 is not the best but it is a big improvement over the menu in my E-M5 III. So I would consider the camera for that reason , though not in beige :-)

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I had the baseplate break on an EM5iii, but the OM-5 has been okay after 18 months (more carful) use. So maybe they did change the design slightly?
Or alternately :-)
 
No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
From what I can see, the top plate is a different design, the main section has a larger grip and the bottom plate has been changed …. adds up to being pretty different from the previous iterations. But you obviously see it differently.
The top plate is basically the same thing, only with rounded corners.

The enlarged grip is clearly just something that was added to the mold of the previous camera.

As pointed out earlier, the bottom plate is the same, just without the contacts' hole (not fitting the new grip shape)

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To me this is just some minor tweaks to an existing design, not an entirely new structure, otherwise OM would have fixed teh tripod issue once and for all, which they didn't (according to OMDS themselves)
Well, I really don’t have any idea how the underpinnings of the bottom plate have changed or not, I can only surmise that it’s possible there has been some modification that makes it more substantial without the necessity of a complete replacement by a metal plate. I’ll assume we will see if it’s still an issue once some mountain scaling, PD clip user, tests it out.
DP Review specifically asked OM System about the tripod socket, and if the issue that plagues the E-M5iii and OM-5 was resolved by a change of the tripod socket, OMDS answered that the tripod socked remained unchanged from the OM-5.

I personally wouldn't put too much faith in the new plate design to improve things.

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No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
From what I can see, the top plate is a different design, the main section has a larger grip and the bottom plate has been changed …. adds up to being pretty different from the previous iterations. But you obviously see it differently.
The top plate is basically the same thing, only with rounded corners.

The enlarged grip is clearly just something that was added to the mold of the previous camera.

As pointed out earlier, the bottom plate is the same, just without the contacts' hole (not fitting the new grip shape)

062ab57bd155403bba4c38dc7ccb4642.jpg.png

To me this is just some minor tweaks to an existing design, not an entirely new structure, otherwise OM would have fixed teh tripod issue once and for all, which they didn't (according to OMDS themselves)
Well, I really don’t have any idea how the underpinnings of the bottom plate have changed or not, I can only surmise that it’s possible there has been some modification that makes it more substantial without the necessity of a complete replacement by a metal plate. I’ll assume we will see if it’s still an issue once some mountain scaling, PD clip user, tests it out.
DP Review specifically asked OM System about the tripod socket, and if the issue that plagues the E-M5iii and OM-5 was resolved by a change of the tripod socket, OMDS answered that the tripod socked remained unchanged from the OM-5.

I personally wouldn't put too much faith in the new plate design to improve things.
This is the only thing the DP reviewer said, and no context was given "They told us the tripod plate was unchanged from the OM-5". Not to be pedantic but does that mean the tripod plate itself only, or the entire base plate attachment area. At any rate I'll not pursue this further until some actual in-uses reports come back.

I'll admit that when I had my OM-5 I was careful about using it with larger lenses on a tripod (rarely) and never even considered the PD clip.
 
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Same small battery!

BLS-50 Lithium-Ion Battery (included)
 
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... but I can't stop feeling underwhelmed about this camera.

The camera itself is pretty nice, it's pretty much the same as the OM-5 which was already pretty damn good. Most of the problems of the OM-5 were fixed (lack of USB-C, old menu systems,...) but the biggest dealbreaker for me was always the snapping bottom plate when using the camera with larger lenses and a peakdesign-esque capture clip thing.

As I'm using my MFT cameras pretty much only for travel and hiking, this was very underwhelming to see that the OM-5ii is going to be yet another pass for me.

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I feel like if I want to spend a large amount of money to get a modern MFT camera, I'd spend the premium for the OM-3. Right now though, I'm fine staying with my old E-M5II when it comes to this kind of form factor.
Emily/Micro Four Nerds walks through it. It has the OM-1 style menus:
 
No, it's not new at all, just a modification of the old base plate, as MJ_Photo38 pointed out. It's even still got the hole for the ECG-5's locating pin, near the top edge of the battery door.
From what I can see, the top plate is a different design, the main section has a larger grip and the bottom plate has been changed …. adds up to being pretty different from the previous iterations. But you obviously see it differently.
The top plate is basically the same thing, only with rounded corners.

The enlarged grip is clearly just something that was added to the mold of the previous camera.

As pointed out earlier, the bottom plate is the same, just without the contacts' hole (not fitting the new grip shape)

062ab57bd155403bba4c38dc7ccb4642.jpg.png

To me this is just some minor tweaks to an existing design, not an entirely new structure, otherwise OM would have fixed teh tripod issue once and for all, which they didn't (according to OMDS themselves)
Well, I really don’t have any idea how the underpinnings of the bottom plate have changed or not, I can only surmise that it’s possible there has been some modification that makes it more substantial without the necessity of a complete replacement by a metal plate. I’ll assume we will see if it’s still an issue once some mountain scaling, PD clip user, tests it out.
DP Review specifically asked OM System about the tripod socket, and if the issue that plagues the E-M5iii and OM-5 was resolved by a change of the tripod socket, OMDS answered that the tripod socked remained unchanged from the OM-5.

I personally wouldn't put too much faith in the new plate design to improve things.
This is the only thing the DP reviewer said, and no context was given "They told us the tripod plate was unchanged from the OM-5". Not to be pedantic but does that mean the tripod plate itself only, or the entire base plate attachment area. At any rate I'll not pursue this further until some actual in-uses reports come back.

I'll admit that when I had my OM-5 I was careful about using it with larger lenses on a tripod (rarely) and never even considered the PD clip.
The issue of the E-M5iii/OM-5's tripod mount is that it's not connected to the steel inner structure of the camera, and it's only attached to a plastic plate.

The "proper" way of doing this is to either attach the tripod mount to the inner structure, at which point you can use a plastic bottom plate, or you can do without connecting it to the inner structure, at which case you need to have a bottom plate that's more resilient to vibrations, hits and constant forces being applied. Metal plates are very good at this, plasticy (polymer composites), not so much.

The problem with the OM-5's mount isn't the plastic plate or the lack of inner structure link... it's that it's both at the same time.



Proper way of doing it #1 : tripod mount on the inner structure, not the bottom plate (Nikon D600)
Proper way of doing it #1 : tripod mount on the inner structure, not the bottom plate (Nikon D600)



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Proper way of doing it #2 : not connected to the inner structure in any way, but attached to a metal plate (or in this case a metal insert within the plate ; Nikon Z6II)
Proper way of doing it #2 : not connected to the inner structure in any way, but attached to a metal plate (or in this case a metal insert within the plate ; Nikon Z6II)



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