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Still not sure how people get those huge moons. I guess they use a 100-400 to get better compression and shoot very far away. Due to the different exposures, had to overlay the moon photo in Photoshop (please don't pixel peep!).

I don't have a super tele on L mount so hopefully I can be forgiven for the M43 shot. But M43 and L mount are like cousins.

I ratcheted up the saturation on the moon and it's definitely different than normal, but nothing like those super red ones I've seen in articles.



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vcxz said:
Still not sure how people get those huge moons. I guess they use a 100-400 to get better compression and shoot very far away.
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Yes indeed. At least. I like to use my 150-600 for moon compression shots, and yes, the mountains I like to keep in the shot are 20 miles away. Lots of clouds here in Colorado this morning (and last night) so no joy this month.
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Due to the different exposures, had to overlay the moon photo in Photoshop (please don't pixel peep!).

I don't have a super tele on L mount so hopefully I can be forgiven for the M43 shot. But M43 and L mount are like cousins.

I ratcheted up the saturation on the moon and it's definitely different than normal, but nothing like those super red ones I've seen in articles.
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The red comes from atmospherics, and thus can vary allot month-to-month, and typically is strongest when the moon is on the horizon (when you are shooting through more atmosphere). Not sure if you know this, but the "Strawberry" moon does not indicate a color cast - it's about this time of year being a good time to harvest strawberries. :)
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Very interesting image.. 🍻
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Thank you. I went out to relax in the dark a little, and was quite struck by the colors & cloud patterns. You just never know when a sunset is going to deliver something interesting.
 
Drove down to Peggy's Cove yesterday evening, and at this time of year the lupines are reaching their full bloom. Took some photos of them with the S1 and TTArtisan 75mm f2. Then on to Peggy's Cove area for some sunset scenes with the 70-300mm. High smoke particles from the western Canada wildfires painted the sky a dusky red. Not many keepers from the night but always an enjoyable experience to be out in nature...





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So maybe I had the answer all along, the Sigma 28-70. It doesn't rate well on resolution, I think it's more focused on rendering and bokeh.
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I hope you can elaborate on the resolution of the Sigma 28-70.

How would the resolution of the Sigma compare to the Panasonic 24-015 f/4

How would it compare to something like the Panasonic 50mm f/1.8 (NOT the S Pro f/1.4)?

I have always felt that in the example photos shot on most Sigma lenses, they were possibly TOO sharp for my taste.
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It's difficult to find review sites that review all the lenses under consistent criteria that can be compared across reviews, especially with Panasonic and compared with third party lenses.

https://opticallimits.com/sony/sigma-28-70mm-f-2-8-dg-dn-contemporary-review/

This one at least has the 16-28 and the 28-70. It rates the 16-28 very high on resolution, and the 28-70 lower. It does appear the 28-70 had more focus on bokeh and out of focus transitions.

I would guess the 24-105 is better at resolving small text in test charts in the corner of the frame, so better for landscape type shots. It looks like Panasonic focused more on bokeh and transitions in the 70-200 F4.

In other news, other test shots of the 24-60 f2.8 didn't show quite the harsh bokeh in the PetaPixel review.
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Thanks for the link, and for sharing your thoughts on the lenses.

I think I might be as concerned about the heavy vignette on the Sigma 28-70 f/2.8 as I would about the lack of sharpness. Hey, maybe Sigma encouraged the vignette to help cover up the resolution loss in the corners???
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Yeah it just depends on what you're looking for. If you're getting a 24-70ish zoom for bokeh, the Sigma 28-70 is really nice. I actually add vignette to many of my 2.8 photos!

But if you want edge to edge sharpness, I can't find the review, but I saw a review saying the Panasonic 24-105 F4 beat many competitors in resolution. I think the trade-off here is the bokeh can get busy. The 16-28 has high resolution at 16mm and has very nice bokeh for a wide.

I just pulled the trigger on the 28-105 since B&H still had it at pre-tariff prices. So far, this is the lens for me. The bokeh was just slightly worse than the Panasonic 70-200 f2.8 and Sigma 28-70, but it's offset by the extra focal length going to 105. It also has close minimum focus distance to help with bokeh.
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Nice. I've been weighing that lens against the 24-70 S-Pro. And, for that matter, the new 24-60. I do like precision & detail (landscape), but it's nice if a lens can also deliver good bokeh. The 28-105 seems like a winner in that regard, and it's only slightly heavier than the 24-70 S-Pro.

Sigma seems to be on a roll, for sure. Also eyeballing their 85/1.4. Dustin Abbott really sung it's praise in his review, again talking about the combination of detail & smooth bokeh.
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I'm not so bothered by starting at 28 since I often try to step back and shoot at 28 or 35 to have less distortion even if I have a 24-xx zoom.

Surprisingly, it feels just slightly heavier than the Panasonic 24-105 F4. I will test it at the art museum this weekend that has Roman sculptures to practice for my Rome trip, but finally feel like I found my lens.
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...but always an enjoyable experience to be out in nature...
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100%! I also like how my camera slows me down and forces me to look around, instead of just trekking right through. What was it that John Muir said, that "People ought to saunter in the mountains..." :)

I do like your #2 image from this set. Very nice, clean comp and that lens does render some nice & smooth OOF areas.
 
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Just a quick shot of the Larkspur Creek in Marin county, CA from the other night.

This photo si cropped A LOT and then enhanced with super resolution in Lightroom.

The only lens I had on me was the Canon EF-S 10-18 IS STM adapted via the MC-21. I wasn't planning on going out and shooting, but I happened to be driving over a bridge, looked out the side window, then made a u turn and got out the tripod and camera and took a quick shot.

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vcxz said:
Still not sure how people get those huge moons. I guess they use a 100-400 to get better compression and shoot very far away. Due to the different exposures, had to overlay the moon photo in Photoshop (please don't pixel peep!).
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If you can catch the moon right when it comes up over the horizon, it's BIG. I live where there are too many trees for that, so I had to wait til it was fairly high overhead, yesterday night.

I started with the PL 100-400mm II, but those moon views were a bit small, even at 400mm. So I put on the 1.4x TC, and that really made a difference. There was a bit of atmospheric distortion, but I thought it came out ok even with that:

-J

 
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Nice. I've been weighing that lens against the 24-70 S-Pro. And, for that matter, the new 24-60. I do like precision & detail (landscape), but it's nice if a lens can also deliver good bokeh. The 28-105 seems like a winner in that regard, and it's only slightly heavier than the 24-70 S-Pro.

Sigma seems to be on a roll, for sure. Also eyeballing their 85/1.4. Dustin Abbott really sung it's praise in his review, again talking about the combination of detail & smooth bokeh.
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After some harsh bokeh from my OM 40-150 F2.8 and Panasonic 24-105, I've been on a quest for a lens that can deliver smooth bokeh. Sharpness seems easier to find and more straightforward. I did some quick shots around the house to see how smooth some specular highlights were, if there were halos, etc.

The Panasonic 70-200 and Sigma 28-70 seemed smoothest, then the Sigma 28-105, then the Panasonic 24-70 at 70mm f2.8. They were all pretty close though and all good, a clear class above the 24-105.

In reviews, the Sigma 24-70 II rated higher in rendering for smooth bokeh than the 28-105. But even with slightly worse rendering, the 28-105 can cheat and go to 105, possibly leading to an overall better result. I think the 28-105 wins if 105 is long enough to replace a telephoto lens. It will have to for me because I can't justify the weight of the 70-200 F4 for city travel.

Then also consider the minimum focus distance. The 85mms tend to be high, so this can negate the aperture advantage. The Sigma 24-70 and 28-70 can focus much closer, which can lead to more bokeh if distortion isn't an issue. I was surprised the Sigma 16-28 produces very interesting bokeh focusing close. The wide angle achieves subject isolation by making the background objects abnormally small.

So I'd say if 70mm is enough or you're shooting very close, consider the Sigma 2x-70 lenses, but the 28-70 seems the worst in general sharpness. Then the Panasonic 24-70 is an all arounder and has good bokeh and users have reported it has a lot of 3d pop.

The 28-105 doesn't have quite as good bokeh and can't focus as close, but can cheat by going to 105. I think the reviews rated the 28-105 high on general sharpness. Maybe it can duplicate the sharpness of the 24-105 but also provide nice bokeh.

The 24-60 has the same close focus stats as the sigmas, but the shorter focal length can hinder bokeh. I guess this is the choice if you're doing lots of close up work and need weather sealing. For bokeh, I'd rather have 70mm than 24mm.

I don't know if it's the weight balance or being skinnier, but the 28-105 just feels smaller than the Panasonic 24-70. It's very much like the Panasonic Leica 100-400, which many users agree they can shoot all day without discomfort.

I'm okay with 28 because 24 isn't wide enough for cities anyway, but the 105 might be long enough to not need a second telephoto lens. And I would otherwise need to lug a 70-200 to get 105 f2.8.
 
Have you considered the Panasonic 100mm f2.8 macro? It avoids the long min focus distance of the 85mm, and it has lovely rendering.

I have not tried it on distant stuff, yet, but it does well on backgrounds in medium distance macro work.

Because of the shorter min focus on it, it is far more versatile, for me anyway, than the 85mm.

-J
 
vcxz said:
georgehudetz said:
Nice. I've been weighing that lens against the 24-70 S-Pro. And, for that matter, the new 24-60. I do like precision & detail (landscape), but it's nice if a lens can also deliver good bokeh. The 28-105 seems like a winner in that regard, and it's only slightly heavier than the 24-70 S-Pro.

Sigma seems to be on a roll, for sure. Also eyeballing their 85/1.4. Dustin Abbott really sung it's praise in his review, again talking about the combination of detail & smooth bokeh.
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After some harsh bokeh from my OM 40-150 F2.8 and Panasonic 24-105, I've been on a quest for a lens that can deliver smooth bokeh. Sharpness seems easier to find and more straightforward. I did some quick shots around the house to see how smooth some specular highlights were, if there were halos, etc.

The Panasonic 70-200 and Sigma 28-70 seemed smoothest, then the Sigma 28-105, then the Panasonic 24-70 at 70mm f2.8. They were all pretty close though and all good, a clear class above the 24-105.

In reviews, the Sigma 24-70 II rated higher in rendering for smooth bokeh than the 28-105. But even with slightly worse rendering, the 28-105 can cheat and go to 105, possibly leading to an overall better result. I think the 28-105 wins if 105 is long enough to replace a telephoto lens. It will have to for me because I can't justify the weight of the 70-200 F4 for city travel.

Then also consider the minimum focus distance. The 85mms tend to be high, so this can negate the aperture advantage. The Sigma 24-70 and 28-70 can focus much closer, which can lead to more bokeh if distortion isn't an issue. I was surprised the Sigma 16-28 produces very interesting bokeh focusing close. The wide angle achieves subject isolation by making the background objects abnormally small.

So I'd say if 70mm is enough or you're shooting very close, consider the Sigma 2x-70 lenses, but the 28-70 seems the worst in general sharpness. Then the Panasonic 24-70 is an all arounder and has good bokeh and users have reported it has a lot of 3d pop.

The 28-105 doesn't have quite as good bokeh and can't focus as close, but can cheat by going to 105. I think the reviews rated the 28-105 high on general sharpness. Maybe it can duplicate the sharpness of the 24-105 but also provide nice bokeh.

The 24-60 has the same close focus stats as the sigmas, but the shorter focal length can hinder bokeh. I guess this is the choice if you're doing lots of close up work and need weather sealing. For bokeh, I'd rather have 70mm than 24mm.

I don't know if it's the weight balance or being skinnier, but the 28-105 just feels smaller than the Panasonic 24-70. It's very much like the Panasonic Leica 100-400, which many users agree they can shoot all day without discomfort.

I'm okay with 28 because 24 isn't wide enough for cities anyway, but the 105 might be long enough to not need a second telephoto lens. And I would otherwise need to lug a 70-200 to get 105 f2.8.
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Thanks for the summary! Good food for thought. I do love the S-Pro 70-200 F2.8. It's great for picking out wildflowers along a trail.

In addition to everything mentioned above, I do find myself even wondering about Sigma's 500/5.6. I'd use it for wildlife as well, 200mm can be limiting when picking out solitary flowers & butterflies that are more than a few feet off the trail (which they often are) so I find myself wanting something longer. Of course, a TC on the 70-200 is workable as well.

And then there is the older Sigma 135/1.8. Yikes. I really want one of those - I think I'd use it for astro along with isolating flowers, etc. But sooooo heavy. Probably be a DG DN version soon.
 
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Have you considered the Panasonic 100mm f2.8 macro? It avoids the long min focus distance of the 85mm, and it has lovely rendering.

I have not tried it on distant stuff, yet, but it does well on backgrounds in medium distance macro work.

Because of the shorter min focus on it, it is far more versatile, for me anyway, than the 85mm.

-J
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Thanks for that. I do agree that the 100 would make more sense for flowers etc. Although as I allude to in my response above, I am thinking about starting to use longer lenses for astro, so the speed of the 85 is a huge win. But then there there is the older fast 105 and 135 from Sigma. Heavy, but supposed to be fantastic lenses - especially the 135.
 
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