OM-5 Mark II Impending?

DNBush said:

unhappymeal said:

Sam Bennett said:

unhappymeal said:

DNBush said:

Sam Bennett said:

From the latest rumors, it sure looks like OM System is gearing up to replace the OM-5!

1. OM-5 Officially Marked as Discontinued in Japan
2. Unconfirmed rumor: new OM camera to be announced on June 17?

My guess would be that this is the "compliance" version of the OM-5 to include a USB-C port to satisfying EU regulations. Hopefully getting the new menu system from the OM-1 Mark II and OM-3 as well, but I wouldn't suspect much more than that. Would be excellent to see them implement the same AF "system" albeit with fewer AF points, speed, etc.

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Looking at the image recently posted on 43rumors, the top plate has some obvious differences such as fewer lines but, one thing that stands out is that it looks like the front control dial that surrounded the shutter button, is gone!...

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uh wow. I hope there is another command dial somewhere. That would be a stupendously stupid omission otherwise.

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There's no chance that they've omitted it. That's been such a core part of Olympus/OMS cameras for so long. The new dials are black, so I reckon it's just hard to see with the position of the model's finger.

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I think you are right. I also see the “Star” icon by the thumb rest, so new menus.

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But wait, couldn't that star be for image rating and not the custom menu?

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Didn't Image Rating come first with the OM-1, which also introduced the new menus?

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HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

I never said that you said I needed more MP.

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I didn't say you said I needed more MP. You asked me why I don't use a 100MP body. I'm merely responding to your question.

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And I merely responded to your initial post where you say [HHHRS] does a "half-hearted" job. My replies pointed out a mode that works well on any camera with HHHR shooting and mentioned another that does a little better at another mode. I mentioned other uses for HHHR that you get by using M43 cameras, I even brought up price to a small degree because everything out there with higher resolution costs more than my camera and most FF cameras cost more than the OM1 with the improved 50mp HHHR results. While it would be great if we could all afford 100mp bodies or even 45-50mp Bodies, not everyone can OR maybe they have other priorities. I disagreed to your comment about the handicap in seeing "only a small boost in resolving power". Number's wise this is wrong (but small wasn't quantified so it's less easy to make a point about (25mp HHHR vs 20MP standard is still a 25% increase in pixels), but subjectively YMMV, and subjectively is doesn't matter. If it looks good to 5 people but hard to tell for 5 others that doesn't make it "handicapped". Lastly, I never said that you said I said you said I needed more MP.

FYI, while I asked a question about resolution, I knew you'd gave the same answer I would give if someone asked why I don't use a higher resolution camera - and you did.

unhappymeal said:

rykawima said:

unhappymeal said:

The OM-5 still has computational tricks up its sleeve, but other brands are catching up with pixel shift, pre-burst, and in-camera stacking. That just leaves HHHR, Live Composite and Pixel Shift. For some people, that may be worth giving up modern AF. I suspect for the vast majority of the buying population, it’s probably a no-go.

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Out of curiosity, which WR cameras offer pixel shift, pre-burst, and in camera stacking at a price like the OM-5?

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At the OM-5 price, none, but comparable bodies don't need the pixel shift. The X-T50 does pre-burst and focus stacks with the app. The X-T5 does pre-burst, pixel shift and focus stacks with the app. The OM-5 where I am (Germany) is 1300 € RRP, but on now for 1100 €. The X-T50 is 1500 € RRP, but on now for 1250 €.

A single shot from the X-T50 is giving you more resolution and 0.5-0.66 stops fewer dynamic range than the OM-5 with HHHR. The OM-5 has a better Focus Stacking work flow, no disagreement from me there, but it's doable with the Fuji.

The Canon EOS R7 has 33 MP, pre-burst and focus stacks in-camera. Its RRP is 1600 €, but it is on for 1200 € grey market or 1350 € through retailers.

Like I said upthread, if you really need the computational features, the OM-5 can be a legitimate choice. However, 100-200 € is a really small price to pay for substantially better AF, 30-50% more linear resolution, and nearly a stop more dynamic range in single shot mode.

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You said "other brands are catching up with pixel shift, pre-burst and in camera stacking". As you point out, even the X-T5 which is larger, heavier and 1.8X the price cannot do all those things without a computer.

The X-T50 has more MP but resolution is not much better due to xtrans. The HHHR files from the OM-5 have over 1 stop more DR than the X-T50 files.

The R7 requires a computer running DPP to pull a single 10-bit pre-capture file out. The OM-5 has no such restriction. In the US I can purchase (new) the OM5 and 2 or 3 lenses for less than the R7.

Computational features aside, there isn't much out there as small, light or cheap with weather resistance like the OM-5. Especially when you add in the exhaustive lens ecosystem. It is a great entry level camera.

HicHic said:

Minos82 said:

If the rumors are true and the update is just a lackluster design update despite probably spending millions in market research, you have to ask yourself what is wrong with the people at OM Systems.

I am wondering if the lack of innovations despite having the right platform to do so reflects an obsolete workforce unable stuck in ancient paradigms and unable to embrace technological changes.

In fact, I am wondering what is the average age of the workforce at OM Systems.

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If they spent millions in market research, they wouldn't be releasing another 20MP body.

Ever since they've been bought out by JIP, I've noticed a lot more online influencers getting OMDS bodies and lenses for review. Even influencers that shoot a different system and have no interest in OM System and know nothing about it, they're paid to do these 1 time YouTube gigs to talk about the OM-1 and 150-400. After making these sponsored videos (essentially a paid ad), the creators just go back to their regular programming of Canon/Nikon related videos. How much is PetaPixel getting paid to plug OM System in each of their videos?

What this shows is that the new company is pushing much more on online marketing. But where are they cutting cost from to get all this extra marketing spend? Let's take a moment and analyze their product line-up, maybe that'll give us a hint.

150-400 lens - was originally hand made in Japan, releasing only a dozen or two units per day, building a waitlist of 1-2 years. After JIP bought them out, they moved manufacturing to Vietnam to mass produce the lens. How much cost was cut in this move?

OM-5 - how much R&D was spent on developing this product? Just look at the pre-existing Olympus products (E-M5iii, E-M1iii) for an answer.

OM-1 - largely, if not wholly, designed by Olympus before JIP took over.

OM-1ii - same camera as ^ without nerfing with an underspec'd ram and buffer.

OM-3 - same cameras as ^ in a different shell with some added art modes.

TG-7 - isn't this a rebranded TG-6? They added a USB C?

Curry packets - this is completely new, full credits to OM System!

The answer is pretty clear! I don't expect a change to this trend in the OM-5ii. Most likely the OM-3 guts inside the OM-5 body. Maybe they'll change the color of some dials to please the M43 fanboys. I'm sure this change alone will be enough to satisfy them.

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you almost exclusively post in the m43 subforum. Hundreds of post over a few weeks. You've not posted in the Canon forums since late 2024. Are you sure you're not one of those fanboys? Or just here to troll?

NowHearThis said:

And I merely responded to your initial post where you say [HHHRS] does a "half-hearted" job.

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Do you not agree?

- it resolves nowhere near the stated 50MP

- you only get a slight resolution bump for scenes or parts of scenes that are completely still

If that isn't half-hearted, I don't know what is.

Petrov788 said:

you almost exclusively post in the m43 subforum. Hundreds of post over a few weeks. You've not posted in the Canon forums since late 2024. Are you sure you're not one of those fanboys? Or just here to troll?

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I used to be a huge fan of M43. Over the years, I've started to appreciate the other formats more. For me, M43 has always been a budget option. If it wasn't for the price, I would never have considered it. But with how cheap mirrorless FF options have gotten in the used market, the M43's value proposition has been largely eroded.

DNBush said:

Sam Bennett said:

From the latest rumors, it sure looks like OM System is gearing up to replace the OM-5!

1. OM-5 Officially Marked as Discontinued in Japan
2. Unconfirmed rumor: new OM camera to be announced on June 17?

My guess would be that this is the "compliance" version of the OM-5 to include a USB-C port to satisfying EU regulations. Hopefully getting the new menu system from the OM-1 Mark II and OM-3 as well, but I wouldn't suspect much more than that. Would be excellent to see them implement the same AF "system" albeit with fewer AF points, speed, etc.

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Looking at the image recently posted on 43rumors, the top plate has some obvious differences such as fewer lines but, one thing that stands out is that it looks like the front control dial that surrounded the shutter button, is gone!...

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So disappointed that it won't have a stacked sensor. I wouldn't have minded the 20MP stacked sensor in a smaller body!

unhappymeal said:

HicHic said:

Minos82 said:

If the rumors are true and the update is just a lackluster design update despite probably spending millions in market research, you have to ask yourself what is wrong with the people at OM Systems.

I am wondering if the lack of innovations despite having the right platform to do so reflects an obsolete workforce unable stuck in ancient paradigms and unable to embrace technological changes.

In fact, I am wondering what is the average age of the workforce at OM Systems.

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If they spent millions in market research, they wouldn't be releasing another 20MP body.

Ever since they've been bought out by JIP, I've noticed a lot more online influencers getting OMDS bodies and lenses for review. Even influencers that shoot a different system and have no interest in OM System and know nothing about it, they're paid to do these 1 time YouTube gigs to talk about the OM-1 and 150-400. After making these sponsored videos (essentially a paid ad), the creators just go back to their regular programming of Canon/Nikon related videos. How much is PetaPixel getting paid to plug OM System in each of their videos?

What this shows is that the new company is pushing much more on online marketing. But where are they cutting cost from to get all this extra marketing spend? Let's take a moment and analyze their product line-up, maybe that'll give us a hint.

150-400 lens - was originally hand made in Japan, releasing only a dozen or two units per day, building a waitlist of 1-2 years. After JIP bought them out, they moved manufacturing to Vietnam to mass produce the lens. How much cost was cut in this move?

OM-5 - how much R&D was spent on developing this product? Just look at the pre-existing Olympus products (E-M5iii, E-M1iii) for an answer.

OM-1 - largely, if not wholly, designed by Olympus before JIP took over.

OM-1ii - same camera as ^ without nerfing with an underspec'd ram and buffer.

OM-3 - same cameras as ^ in a different shell with some added art modes.

TG-7 - isn't this a rebranded TG-6? They added a USB C?

Curry packets - this is completely new, full credits to OM System!

The answer is pretty clear! I don't expect a change to this trend in the OM-5ii. Most likely the OM-3 guts inside the OM-5 body. Maybe they'll change the color of some dials to please the M43 fanboys. I'm sure this change alone will be enough to satisfy them.

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You are way too optimistic. OM-3 guts in the OM-5 body would make it the world’s cheapest stacked sensor ILC camera by a massive margin.

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I think you are too pessimistic. OM System wouldn't be stupid enough to release a camera in 2025 with a 2016 sensor. Especially with the backlash they've gotten for the original OM-5. I know M43 fanboys can overlook a lot of shortcomings, but even they're not stupid or desperate enough to accept the OM-5ii if they really did use the old sensor. That would be too obvious of a cost cut. I mean, the previous instances were pretty obvious too, but this one would look really bad. Like, really bad. I don't think OM System is that dumb.

unhappymeal said:

HicHic said:

Minos82 said:

If the rumors are true and the update is just a lackluster design update despite probably spending millions in market research, you have to ask yourself what is wrong with the people at OM Systems.

I am wondering if the lack of innovations despite having the right platform to do so reflects an obsolete workforce unable stuck in ancient paradigms and unable to embrace technological changes.

In fact, I am wondering what is the average age of the workforce at OM Systems.

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If they spent millions in market research, they wouldn't be releasing another 20MP body.

Ever since they've been bought out by JIP, I've noticed a lot more online influencers getting OMDS bodies and lenses for review. Even influencers that shoot a different system and have no interest in OM System and know nothing about it, they're paid to do these 1 time YouTube gigs to talk about the OM-1 and 150-400. After making these sponsored videos (essentially a paid ad), the creators just go back to their regular programming of Canon/Nikon related videos. How much is PetaPixel getting paid to plug OM System in each of their videos?

What this shows is that the new company is pushing much more on online marketing. But where are they cutting cost from to get all this extra marketing spend? Let's take a moment and analyze their product line-up, maybe that'll give us a hint.

150-400 lens - was originally hand made in Japan, releasing only a dozen or two units per day, building a waitlist of 1-2 years. After JIP bought them out, they moved manufacturing to Vietnam to mass produce the lens. How much cost was cut in this move?

OM-5 - how much R&D was spent on developing this product? Just look at the pre-existing Olympus products (E-M5iii, E-M1iii) for an answer.

OM-1 - largely, if not wholly, designed by Olympus before JIP took over.

OM-1ii - same camera as ^ without nerfing with an underspec'd ram and buffer.

OM-3 - same cameras as ^ in a different shell with some added art modes.

TG-7 - isn't this a rebranded TG-6? They added a USB C?

Curry packets - this is completely new, full credits to OM System!

The answer is pretty clear! I don't expect a change to this trend in the OM-5ii. Most likely the OM-3 guts inside the OM-5 body. Maybe they'll change the color of some dials to please the M43 fanboys. I'm sure this change alone will be enough to satisfy them.

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You are way too optimistic. OM-3 guts in the OM-5 body would make it the world’s cheapest stacked sensor ILC camera by a massive margin.

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If only this were true because this would be a massive hit for OM. Sadly, I think the M2 will just be a minor upgrade from the M1.

HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

And I merely responded to your initial post where you say [HHHRS] does a "half-hearted" job.

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Do you not agree?

- it resolves nowhere near the stated 50MP

- you only get a slight resolution bump for scenes or parts of scenes that are completely still

If that isn't half-hearted, I don't know what is.

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I do get confused by this constant back and forth about the HHHR resolution. My HHHR files are 8160 X6120 pixels. That's pretty close to 50 mpx, I think. Now, is the quality of the image any better? The noise is less for sure, particularly in low light like night street scenes. Is it equal to a hi rez full frame camera, probably not. But that doesn't matter to me........the same or a bit better, with lack of noise, but with more room to crop or print large is nice enough.

I also use the HHHR a lot for blurring water images like bubbling streams or waterfalls.

It may be halfhearted by your standards, however.

HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

And I merely responded to your initial post where you say [HHHRS] does a "half-hearted" job.

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Do you not agree?

- it resolves nowhere near the stated 50MP

- you only get a slight resolution bump for scenes or parts of scenes that are completely still

If that isn't half-hearted, I don't know what is.

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It’s ok for you to admit you don’t know half hearted is.

Let’s break down your points:

1.) Nowhere in the EM1.3 manual (pgs 83 or 158) does it say that any high resolution mode will resolve 50/80mp of detail. It does say “the camera takes a series of shots…to create a single high-resolution photo.” 50 or 80MP is high resolution 8160x6120 is a lot of resolution. The amount of usable detail is another matter and that will be subjective to each person - as I stated before.

2.) 25% more pixels In the 25MP mode , 150% more pixels in the 50MP mode. In some Panasonic cameras, slight movements can be compensated for to varying degrees of success, depending on the scene, in my camera, “completely still” scenes are par for the course. Not even 2 months ago down at the Moab Easter Jeep Safari, there were dozens of opportunities to shoot with the HHHR mode. Why can’t people think outside the box and realize that others might be able to find tens of thousands of places to shoot that would work for some mode or feature even if you don’t use it yourself. (Rhetorical.) So far I’ve been able to find plenty of stuff to photograph with it between the N21° and N64° Parallels.

So nowhere in Olympus manuals (and I suspect Panasonic is similar) does it say if you use the [x] MP mode you will get [x]MP of detail like a [x]MP camera offers. All it says is you get more MP and some more detail. If people want to read more into that, that’s their own foolishness. No one expects a Panasonic S1II’s 96MP HHHR mode to match a 100mp Hasselblad. I really doubt that most people here think the 50mp HHHR mode of the EM1.3/OM1&3 are going to match an A1 for detail.

Does it help, can it help? Sure are the gains huge? No, small to moderate depending on the mode. What’s really half hearted is others claiming they have in camera high resolution mode only to have to have you use a computer to put it together. They’re so lazy, their own app won’t even let you download and do it in that. How half-hearted is that - they come late to the party copying what Olympus and Panasonic have been doing, then they do even do the basics - that would be a good definition of half-hearted.

gary0319 said:

HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

And I merely responded to your initial post where you say [HHHRS] does a "half-hearted" job.

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Do you not agree?

- it resolves nowhere near the stated 50MP

- you only get a slight resolution bump for scenes or parts of scenes that are completely still

If that isn't half-hearted, I don't know what is.

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I do get confused by this constant back and forth about the HHHR resolution. My HHHR files are 8160 X6120 pixels. That's pretty close to 50 mpx, I think. Now, is the quality of the image any better? The noise is less for sure, particularly in low light like night street scenes. Is it equal to a hi rez full frame camera, probably not. But that doesn't matter to me........the same or a bit better, with lack of noise, but with more room to crop or print large is nice enough.

I also use the HHHR a lot for blurring water images like bubbling streams or waterfalls.

It may be halfhearted by your standards, however.

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I really need to take lessons from you on how to deliver a point and not do it in a 30min sermon.

gary0319 said:

HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

And I merely responded to your initial post where you say [HHHRS] does a "half-hearted" job.

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Do you not agree?

- it resolves nowhere near the stated 50MP

- you only get a slight resolution bump for scenes or parts of scenes that are completely still

If that isn't half-hearted, I don't know what is.

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I do get confused by this constant back and forth about the HHHR resolution. My HHHR files are 8160 X6120 pixels. That's pretty close to 50 mpx, I think. Now, is the quality of the image any better? The noise is less for sure, particularly in low light like night street scenes. Is it equal to a hi rez full frame camera, probably not. But that doesn't matter to me........the same or a bit better, with lack of noise, but with more room to crop or print large is nice enough.

I also use the HHHR a lot for blurring water images like bubbling streams or waterfalls.

It may be halfhearted by your standards, however.

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I'm just speaking in terms of whether it resolves detail, like a 50MP sensor would. And if it doesn't, how close is it? Is it 45MP? 40MP? No. It resolves less than 28MP. That's half of its stated 50MP, so that's what I mean by half-hearted.

NowHearThis said:

I really doubt that most people here think the 50mp HHHR mode of the EM1.3/OM1&3 are going to match an A1 for detail.

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You really underestimate the crowd here.

Petrov788 said:

HicHic said:

Minos82 said:

If the rumors are true and the update is just a lackluster design update despite probably spending millions in market research, you have to ask yourself what is wrong with the people at OM Systems.

I am wondering if the lack of innovations despite having the right platform to do so reflects an obsolete workforce unable stuck in ancient paradigms and unable to embrace technological changes.

In fact, I am wondering what is the average age of the workforce at OM Systems.

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If they spent millions in market research, they wouldn't be releasing another 20MP body.

Ever since they've been bought out by JIP, I've noticed a lot more online influencers getting OMDS bodies and lenses for review. Even influencers that shoot a different system and have no interest in OM System and know nothing about it, they're paid to do these 1 time YouTube gigs to talk about the OM-1 and 150-400. After making these sponsored videos (essentially a paid ad), the creators just go back to their regular programming of Canon/Nikon related videos. How much is PetaPixel getting paid to plug OM System in each of their videos?

What this shows is that the new company is pushing much more on online marketing. But where are they cutting cost from to get all this extra marketing spend? Let's take a moment and analyze their product line-up, maybe that'll give us a hint.

150-400 lens - was originally hand made in Japan, releasing only a dozen or two units per day, building a waitlist of 1-2 years. After JIP bought them out, they moved manufacturing to Vietnam to mass produce the lens. How much cost was cut in this move?

OM-5 - how much R&D was spent on developing this product? Just look at the pre-existing Olympus products (E-M5iii, E-M1iii) for an answer.

OM-1 - largely, if not wholly, designed by Olympus before JIP took over.

OM-1ii - same camera as ^ without nerfing with an underspec'd ram and buffer.

OM-3 - same cameras as ^ in a different shell with some added art modes.

TG-7 - isn't this a rebranded TG-6? They added a USB C?

Curry packets - this is completely new, full credits to OM System!

The answer is pretty clear! I don't expect a change to this trend in the OM-5ii. Most likely the OM-3 guts inside the OM-5 body. Maybe they'll change the color of some dials to please the M43 fanboys. I'm sure this change alone will be enough to satisfy them.

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you almost exclusively post in the m43 subforum. Hundreds of post over a few weeks. You've not posted in the Canon forums since late 2024. Are you sure you're not one of those fanboys? Or just here to troll?

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Just a Troll!

PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

iluvphoto said:

DNBush said:

Sam Bennett said:

From the latest rumors, it sure looks like OM System is gearing up to replace the OM-5!

1. OM-5 Officially Marked as Discontinued in Japan
2. Unconfirmed rumor: new OM camera to be announced on June 17?

My guess would be that this is the "compliance" version of the OM-5 to include a USB-C port to satisfying EU regulations. Hopefully getting the new menu system from the OM-1 Mark II and OM-3 as well, but I wouldn't suspect much more than that. Would be excellent to see them implement the same AF "system" albeit with fewer AF points, speed, etc.

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Looking at the image recently posted on 43rumors, the top plate has some obvious differences such as fewer lines but, one thing that stands out is that it looks like the front control dial that surrounded the shutter button, is gone!...

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So disappointed that it won't have a stacked sensor. I wouldn't have minded the 20MP stacked sensor in a smaller body!

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Unless you really need the higher speed performance of stacked sensors from an image quality perspective the don't add anything and may even take a small hit in DR. It would also add a fair bit to the price. Look at the cosplay OM-1II or as some call it the OM-3 . It launched at $1999 body only , while it had the sensor it took a downturn in other areas , ergonomics . lower res older EVF, one card slot ,lower IBIS rating etc.

I have the OM-1 and E-M5 III If the OM-5 had the same menu as the OM-1 , which though not my favourite is a lot better than the menu in the OM-5/E-m5 iii . I would have been tempted to update the e-m5 iii. I don't use the E-M5 III very often on a tripod so a plastic bottom would not put me off

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HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

I really doubt that most people here think the 50mp HHHR mode of the EM1.3/OM1&3 are going to match an A1 for detail.

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You really underestimate the crowd here.

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I hope not.

NowHearThis said:

HicHic said:

NowHearThis said:

I really doubt that most people here think the 50mp HHHR mode of the EM1.3/OM1&3 are going to match an A1 for detail.

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You really underestimate the crowd here.

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I hope not.

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Maybe you haven't been around here long enough. You'd be surprised by how delusional some of these M43 fanboys are. My HHHR comment is for them. If you have enough intelligence to know that the 50MP HHHR is not going to stack up remotely close to a true 50MP sensor, then you can disregard my comments. It's not for you.

gary0319 said:

I do get confused by this constant back and forth about the HHHR resolution. My HHHR files are 8160 X6120 pixels. That's pretty close to 50 mpx, I think.

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Half-hearted.



And that's already giving all the advantage to the OM-1 with Pro glass. The 5DSR is using a $100 plastic cheap lens. You can see how much CA is creeping through on that cheap 50mm prime. Still resolving more details.

HicHic said:

gary0319 said:

I do get confused by this constant back and forth about the HHHR resolution. My HHHR files are 8160 X6120 pixels. That's pretty close to 50 mpx, I think.

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Half-hearted.



And that's already giving all the advantage to the OM-1 with Pro glass. The 5DSR is using a $100 plastic cheap lens. You can see how much CA is creeping through on that cheap 50mm prime. Still resolving more details.

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I don't often take photos of text, but if you check out DPReview's own testing, which includes pixel shift as an option for cameras that support it (not sure if this is the 80MP or 50MP mode) and put it in the "Comp" setting to normalize around the same output size, you can see across the test that there's a noticeable bump in resolution and a lack of moire.



















Personally, for me resolution doesn't really matter for the vast majority of work that I do. So I really don't care about having more than 20-25MP of resolution. For the most part, the files would just be taking up significantly more space for no reason. When I do care - some landscapes, photographing artwork, etc. - it's nice to have it as an option.

If I truly needed 50MP on a regular basis, I'd pick another camera - but I don't. Not even remotely.

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