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bastibe said:
biza43 said:
bastibe said:
We care about resolution only insofar it improves the final rendition. For web display or printing, 12ish megapixels is plenty. Let's round it up to 20ish MP for some cropping, and accounting for a bit of natural softness.
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This can not be generalized. It depends on print resolution and size; it depends on how much you need to crop.
bastibe said:
40, 60, 100 megapixels are more, but offer diminishing returns for real renditions.
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What is real rendition? Again, it depends on the final use of the image.
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OK. You do you.
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As individuals, we can only express our opinions and share our individual experiences. Expanding from there and propose them as generalizations is farfetched and incorrect.

I was interested in understanding your point of view, but it seems you do not want to clarify your statements. Fine, let's move on.
 
KariP said:
biza43 said:
bastibe said:
biza43 said:
KariP said:
Patographer said:
Are all new Fujifilm cameras going to have a 40MP sensor?

I don't need that resolution.
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Probably 24mp is optimal. for a APS C sensor. I mean noise, resolution and so on

40mp is totally unnecessary if you show your images in internet or just on some screen. Even very big prints from APS C 24mp are so good that it is impossible to see any real differences if you try to see . It can be possible if you look at the big print with a microscope and if the printer is of very high quality.

Yes ... and then someone mentions cropping. Just crop a 40mp image and compare it to 24mp . Informative. Perhaps 20% more resolution , max . And who buys a camera to crop the images ?

My FF Canon R5 sensor has about 40 MP and my FF R6 20mp - both make images that look very good. R5 looks a bit better if I pixel peep. I have also had a look at my old X-H1 images (24mp) and the resolution is quite impressive actually.

40mp is a marketing thing - but if someone wants a 40mp APS C sensor ... it is just money and who cares if the results are not really better . Photography is a black hole taking all our money anyway.
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Following that logic, we might as well have stayed with the 3 MP of the Canon in 2003; Michael Reichmann claimed that it matched 35mm film. Who needs more, right?
Click to expand...
We care about resolution only insofar it improves the final rendition. For web display or printing, 12ish megapixels is plenty. Let's round it up to 20ish MP for some cropping, and accounting for a bit of natural softness.
Click to expand...
This can not be generalized. It depends on print resolution and size; it depends on how much you need to crop.
KariP said:
40, 60, 100 megapixels are more, but offer diminishing returns for real renditions.
Click to expand...
What is real rendition? Again, it depends on the final use of the image.
KariP said:
For the record, I like my X-T5's 40 MP resolution. But when I go back to my 26 MP backup body, the lower resolution doesn't matter.
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Routinely people say that you can crop more if the sensor size is 40mp - compared to 20mp.

BUT how much more ? in real life !

40mp compared to 20mp means something like 20-25% more resolution (geometry ). And then there is the lens - resolution of a lens is not infinite and the high mp count shows the quality limits of the lens...
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Wrong. Any lens will perform better with higher mp count.
KariP said:
I started my electronic ILC. career with Canon 40D about 18 years ago . The quality of the images has been gettin better during the years. Not so much because of the MP amount. New sensors have less noise , high ISO is much better and especially the DR is stellar nowadays. Compared to the "good old days"
Click to expand...
The key here is that less noise, better DR, high ISO improvements have been concurrent with increasing mp. It's a win - win situation.
KariP said:
I just had a look of a big print of my old photo made with X-T1 - size is about 80cm x100cm and I can not see the lower MP count is a problem. I think I can make better big prints from my R5 40mp FF images - but the difference is surprisingly ....

Of course FF and 40mp. really shines in low light and contrasty situations - FF files are better than APS C - I think it is because the sensor is larger and pixel size is bigger . But do we really need FF or 40mp or 60 mp - perhaps somebody needs occasionally.
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In 2013 I tried Fuji X, but found out that the sensor quality was not good enough for my type of photography. Then in 2018 tried again and found that it had become good enough, and I changed to Fuji X permanently.
 
biza43 said:
bastibe said:
biza43 said:
bastibe said:
We care about resolution only insofar it improves the final rendition. For web display or printing, 12ish megapixels is plenty. Let's round it up to 20ish MP for some cropping, and accounting for a bit of natural softness.
Click to expand...
This can not be generalized. It depends on print resolution and size; it depends on how much you need to crop.
biza43 said:
40, 60, 100 megapixels are more, but offer diminishing returns for real renditions.
Click to expand...
What is real rendition? Again, it depends on the final use of the image.
Click to expand...
OK. You do you.
Click to expand...
As individuals, we can only express our opinions and share our individual experiences. Expanding from there and propose them as generalizations is farfetched and incorrect.

I was interested in understanding your point of view, but it seems you do not want to clarify your statements. Fine, let's move on.
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Alan Sh said:
I've set my alarm for 6am on the 12th June. Very interested in what they offer.

I'd like 40mp and Ibis in an interchageable format. The rest doesn't really matter.

Alan
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Is that the time of announcement? I will also do the same, I need to pre-order this asap, if the specs are good. The Charcoal black/grey is such a great color. I always go silver, and thought about black, but Charcoal is the happy medium between the two.
 
unceunce said:
Alan Sh said:
I've set my alarm for 6am on the 12th June. Very interested in what they offer.

I'd like 40mp and Ibis in an interchageable format. The rest doesn't really matter.

Alan
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Is that the time of announcement? I will also do the same, I need to pre-order this asap, if the specs are good. The Charcoal black/grey is such a great color. I always go silver, and thought about black, but Charcoal is the happy medium between the two.
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This was my experience of the X100VI too. I watched the X Summit on 20 Feb 24, ordered the X100VI immediately, almost before the Summit had finished, from my local London Camera Exchange in the UK, and it arrived by the end of February - that was 2024 not '25!

I agree with you - if you have an idea of what specs you want in the XE5 and if in watching the X Summit it has them, then bang in an order. Then you have a reasonable chance of getting one in the first trance, or if you change your mind you can cancel.

Good luck!
 
I am very, vey curious. I used to have the xe4 and xt3, sold the xe4 due to lack of direct controls and sold the xt3 cause I needed to fund my Z8, but kept the lenses.

Ever since I sold my fuji cameras I take way less pictures. Fuji made it fun and most importantly, portable. So I decided if the xe5 is not what I need, I’ll get a used xt3 again and stop convincing myself I can get by with one system. 😃
 
Minolta TC-1 said:
I know it's probably not the philosophy of the X-E line, but I've really come to appreciate the fast access to presets on my X-S20. C1 - video in my studio. C2 - Acros still photography. C3 - colour photography. I would appreciate it if my X-E4 had the same, and had a tool to sync them, quickly. The Fujifilm app knows both my cameras so that could be one way of doing it.

Aside from that, the X-E4's simplicity is pretty nice. Not much change needed. Everything being discussed here is nice to have.
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Yes, that's a big draw for the X-S20
 
unceunce said:
Per fujirumors, should be a June announcement for X-E5.

Who else is waiting for this? I sold my X-E5 earlier in the year in anticipation.

min specs I would like:

40mp. That's really it.

I don't think it will have IBIS, but I would love to be surprised.

Upgraded EVF would be welcome but I also doubt this, way less chance than IBIS.

Feel free to chime in.
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I predict it will be an X-T50 in an X-E body; possibly with the combined SS/ISO dial but no film sim dial because there isn't anywhere to put it.

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biza43 said:
KariP said:
biza43 said:
bastibe said:
biza43 said:
KariP said:
Patographer said:
Are all new Fujifilm cameras going to have a 40MP sensor?

I don't need that resolution.
Click to expand...
Probably 24mp is optimal. for a APS C sensor. I mean noise, resolution and so on

40mp is totally unnecessary if you show your images in internet or just on some screen. Even very big prints from APS C 24mp are so good that it is impossible to see any real differences if you try to see . It can be possible if you look at the big print with a microscope and if the printer is of very high quality.

Yes ... and then someone mentions cropping. Just crop a 40mp image and compare it to 24mp . Informative. Perhaps 20% more resolution , max . And who buys a camera to crop the images ?

My FF Canon R5 sensor has about 40 MP and my FF R6 20mp - both make images that look very good. R5 looks a bit better if I pixel peep. I have also had a look at my old X-H1 images (24mp) and the resolution is quite impressive actually.

40mp is a marketing thing - but if someone wants a 40mp APS C sensor ... it is just money and who cares if the results are not really better . Photography is a black hole taking all our money anyway.
Click to expand...
Following that logic, we might as well have stayed with the 3 MP of the Canon in 2003; Michael Reichmann claimed that it matched 35mm film. Who needs more, right?
Click to expand...
We care about resolution only insofar it improves the final rendition. For web display or printing, 12ish megapixels is plenty. Let's round it up to 20ish MP for some cropping, and accounting for a bit of natural softness.
Click to expand...
This can not be generalized. It depends on print resolution and size; it depends on how much you need to crop.
biza43 said:
40, 60, 100 megapixels are more, but offer diminishing returns for real renditions.
Click to expand...
What is real rendition? Again, it depends on the final use of the image.
biza43 said:
For the record, I like my X-T5's 40 MP resolution. But when I go back to my 26 MP backup body, the lower resolution doesn't matter.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Routinely people say that you can crop more if the sensor size is 40mp - compared to 20mp.

BUT how much more ? in real life !

40mp compared to 20mp means something like 20-25% more resolution (geometry ). And then there is the lens - resolution of a lens is not infinite and the high mp count shows the quality limits of the lens...
Click to expand...
Wrong. Any lens will perform better with higher mp count.
Click to expand...
Wrong ? What is wrong with?

A lens is an optical device - and its performance is what it is. Of course it is possible to correct optical problems with electronics. For example Fuji lenses have a lot of vignetting in some cases. but you can not see it if the camera corrects it.

More megapixels means that in theory you can see more details - if a lens has minimal optical flaws the lens makes it more visible. Some write about diffraction as a problem if the sensor has more megapixels. Of course that is nonsense. Diffraction is what it is , but with 40mp it is possible to see it.

Anyway lenses are not producing absolute resolution - high megapixel count is more useful if the lens is closer to perfect. Usually they are not

Of course a better lens is better. But bad lenses stay bad. And in some cases 40mp can be better than 20mp - but when exactly. Of course pixel peeping in important too

biza43 said:
biza43 said:
I started my electronic ILC. career with Canon 40D about 18 years ago . The quality of the images has been gettin better during the years. Not so much because of the MP amount. New sensors have less noise , high ISO is much better and especially the DR is stellar nowadays. Compared to the "good old days"
Click to expand...
The key here is that less noise, better DR, high ISO improvements have been concurrent with increasing mp. It's a win - win situation.
biza43 said:
I just had a look of a big print of my old photo made with X-T1 - size is about 80cm x100cm and I can not see the lower MP count is a problem. I think I can make better big prints from my R5 40mp FF images - but the difference is surprisingly ....

Of course FF and 40mp. really shines in low light and contrasty situations - FF files are better than APS C - I think it is because the sensor is larger and pixel size is bigger . But do we really need FF or 40mp or 60 mp - perhaps somebody needs occasionally.
Click to expand...
In 2013 I tried Fuji X, but found out that the sensor quality was not good enough for my type of photography. Then in 2018 tried again and found that it had become good enough, and I changed to Fuji X permanently.
Click to expand...
So, sort of a Bottom line

nobody can say how much more it is possible to crop if you have 40mp instead of 20mp - it is repeated that "much more" - 5 or 25% ? Is it easy to see the difference ? It is really easy to see how bad lenses look bad... but comparing sensor sizes - how can you do that ? Without instruments...
 
KariP said:
Routinely people say that you can crop more if the sensor size is 40mp - compared to 20mp.

BUT how much more ? in real life !

40mp compared to 20mp means something like 20-25% more resolution (geometry ). And then there is the lens - resolution of a lens is not infinite and the high mp count shows the quality limits of the lens...

I started my electronic ILC. career with Canon 40D about 18 years ago . The quality of the images has been gettin better during the years. Not so much because of the MP amount. New sensors have less noise , high ISO is much better and especially the DR is stellar nowadays. Compared to the "good old days"

I just had a look of a big print of my old photo made with X-T1 - size is about 80cm x100cm and I can not see the lower MP count is a problem. I think I can make better big prints from my R5 40mp FF images - but the difference is surprisingly ....

Of course FF and 40mp. really shines in low light and contrasty situations - FF files are better than APS C - I think it is because the sensor is larger and pixel size is bigger . But do we really need FF or 40mp or 60 mp - perhaps somebody needs occasionally.
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Viewing the pixel detail at the same magnification, you’d already get an (approximately 1.5x) 84mm field of view from the 56mm lens here cropped to 26MP, and with better image quality than 56mm at 26MP. Further cropping to 2x would result a lower pixel count, but still comparable image quality (especially with upscaling). A 23mm prime lens could easily deliver 35mm and 50mm fields of view with better or, at least, comparable image quality.

With a 40MP camera, you are effectively adding 2 new lenses of equal or better image quality to every one lens you've already got at 24/26MP - and that you don't have to swap out to use. That's a pretty significant benefit, IMO.
 
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jhorse said:
unceunce said:
Alan Sh said:
I've set my alarm for 6am on the 12th June. Very interested in what they offer.

I'd like 40mp and Ibis in an interchageable format. The rest doesn't really matter.

Alan
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Is that the time of announcement? I will also do the same, I need to pre-order this asap, if the specs are good. The Charcoal black/grey is such a great color. I always go silver, and thought about black, but Charcoal is the happy medium between the two.
Click to expand...
This was my experience of the X100VI too. I watched the X Summit on 20 Feb 24, ordered the X100VI immediately, almost before the Summit had finished, from my local London Camera Exchange in the UK, and it arrived by the end of February - that was 2024 not '25!

I agree with you - if you have an idea of what specs you want in the XE5 and if in watching the X Summit it has them, then bang in an order. Then you have a reasonable chance of getting one in the first trance, or if you change your mind you can cancel.

Good luck!
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if you are in the UK, then that means that will be 1am for me in Canada. Yes I was able to get my x100vi quickly by being on the ball. I plan on doing the same for XE5, though I think the x100vi was much more popular.

but to be fair, most of the specs will likely be leaked before even the announcement lol, so you can pretty much just pre order when your stores allow it.
 
KariP said:
biza43 said:
KariP said:
biza43 said:
bastibe said:
biza43 said:
KariP said:
Patographer said:
Are all new Fujifilm cameras going to have a 40MP sensor?

I don't need that resolution.
Click to expand...
Probably 24mp is optimal. for a APS C sensor. I mean noise, resolution and so on

40mp is totally unnecessary if you show your images in internet or just on some screen. Even very big prints from APS C 24mp are so good that it is impossible to see any real differences if you try to see . It can be possible if you look at the big print with a microscope and if the printer is of very high quality.

Yes ... and then someone mentions cropping. Just crop a 40mp image and compare it to 24mp . Informative. Perhaps 20% more resolution , max . And who buys a camera to crop the images ?

My FF Canon R5 sensor has about 40 MP and my FF R6 20mp - both make images that look very good. R5 looks a bit better if I pixel peep. I have also had a look at my old X-H1 images (24mp) and the resolution is quite impressive actually.

40mp is a marketing thing - but if someone wants a 40mp APS C sensor ... it is just money and who cares if the results are not really better . Photography is a black hole taking all our money anyway.
Click to expand...
Following that logic, we might as well have stayed with the 3 MP of the Canon in 2003; Michael Reichmann claimed that it matched 35mm film. Who needs more, right?
Click to expand...
We care about resolution only insofar it improves the final rendition. For web display or printing, 12ish megapixels is plenty. Let's round it up to 20ish MP for some cropping, and accounting for a bit of natural softness.
Click to expand...
This can not be generalized. It depends on print resolution and size; it depends on how much you need to crop.
KariP said:
40, 60, 100 megapixels are more, but offer diminishing returns for real renditions.
Click to expand...
What is real rendition? Again, it depends on the final use of the image.
KariP said:
For the record, I like my X-T5's 40 MP resolution. But when I go back to my 26 MP backup body, the lower resolution doesn't matter.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
Routinely people say that you can crop more if the sensor size is 40mp - compared to 20mp.

BUT how much more ? in real life !

40mp compared to 20mp means something like 20-25% more resolution (geometry ). And then there is the lens - resolution of a lens is not infinite and the high mp count shows the quality limits of the lens...
Click to expand...
Wrong. Any lens will perform better with higher mp count.
Click to expand...
Wrong ? What is wrong with?
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It is well documented.
KariP said:
A lens is an optical device - and its performance is what it is. Of course it is possible to correct optical problems with electronics. For example Fuji lenses have a lot of vignetting in some cases. but you can not see it if the camera corrects it.

More megapixels means that in theory you can see more details - if a lens has minimal optical flaws the lens makes it more visible. Some write about diffraction as a problem if the sensor has more megapixels. Of course that is nonsense. Diffraction is what it is , but with 40mp it is possible to see it.

Anyway lenses are not producing absolute resolution - high megapixel count is more useful if the lens is closer to perfect. Usually they are not

Of course a better lens is better. But bad lenses stay bad. And in some cases 40mp can be better than 20mp - but when exactly. Of course pixel peeping in important too
KariP said:
KariP said:
I started my electronic ILC. career with Canon 40D about 18 years ago . The quality of the images has been gettin better during the years. Not so much because of the MP amount. New sensors have less noise , high ISO is much better and especially the DR is stellar nowadays. Compared to the "good old days"
Click to expand...
The key here is that less noise, better DR, high ISO improvements have been concurrent with increasing mp. It's a win - win situation.
KariP said:
I just had a look of a big print of my old photo made with X-T1 - size is about 80cm x100cm and I can not see the lower MP count is a problem. I think I can make better big prints from my R5 40mp FF images - but the difference is surprisingly ....

Of course FF and 40mp. really shines in low light and contrasty situations - FF files are better than APS C - I think it is because the sensor is larger and pixel size is bigger . But do we really need FF or 40mp or 60 mp - perhaps somebody needs occasionally.
Click to expand...
In 2013 I tried Fuji X, but found out that the sensor quality was not good enough for my type of photography. Then in 2018 tried again and found that it had become good enough, and I changed to Fuji X permanently.
Click to expand...
So, sort of a Bottom line

nobody can say how much more it is possible to crop if you have 40mp instead of 20mp - it is repeated that "much more" - 5 or 25% ? Is it easy to see the difference ? It is really easy to see how bad lenses look bad... but comparing sensor sizes - how can you do that ? Without instruments...
Click to expand...
If you crop 50% you end up with 20 mp. Just look at how much you can crop from high mp cameras like Leica Q3 or Fuji GXR100F; fixed lens cameras that can be used with cropping to still deliver high mp images with narrower field of view. Like having 1 camera with 3 lenses for example.

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If it has the same 10 year old 2.36 EVF I will skip it. IBIS they could do so maybe they will, that would be nice. I don't need 40mpix. 26 is fine.

But I feel like all smaller Fuji cameras as trending toward being instax
 
MFiftysomething said:
If it has the same 10 year old 2.36 EVF I will skip it. IBIS they could do so maybe they will, that would be nice. I don't need 40mpix. 26 is fine.

But I feel like all smaller Fuji cameras as trending toward being instax
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Does instax have IBIS or exposure compensation? Or dedicated exposure dials?
 
unceunce said:
jhorse said:
unceunce said:
Alan Sh said:
I've set my alarm for 6am on the 12th June. Very interested in what they offer.

I'd like 40mp and Ibis in an interchageable format. The rest doesn't really matter.

Alan
Click to expand...
Is that the time of announcement? I will also do the same, I need to pre-order this asap, if the specs are good. The Charcoal black/grey is such a great color. I always go silver, and thought about black, but Charcoal is the happy medium between the two.
Click to expand...
This was my experience of the X100VI too. I watched the X Summit on 20 Feb 24, ordered the X100VI immediately, almost before the Summit had finished, from my local London Camera Exchange in the UK, and it arrived by the end of February - that was 2024 not '25!

I agree with you - if you have an idea of what specs you want in the XE5 and if in watching the X Summit it has them, then bang in an order. Then you have a reasonable chance of getting one in the first trance, or if you change your mind you can cancel.

Good luck!
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if you are in the UK, then that means that will be 1am for me in Canada. Yes I was able to get my x100vi quickly by being on the ball. I plan on doing the same for XE5, though I think the x100vi was much more popular.

but to be fair, most of the specs will likely be leaked before even the announcement lol, so you can pretty much just pre order when your stores allow it.
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It is in Shanghai, but the pre-announcement gave no start time so we cannot yet confirm the time viz our time zones. Unless, of course, Alan Sh has inside intel!
 
biza43 said:
biza43 said:
If you crop 50% you end up with 20 mp. Just look at how much you can crop from high mp cameras like Leica Q3 or Fuji GXR100F; fixed lens cameras that can be used with cropping to still deliver high mp images with narrower field of view. Like having 1 camera with 3 lenses for example.
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Yes! If you never compose in your viewfinder, that is. I know the Leica O3 lets you view only the crop in the ovf, as if you're effectively using a longer lens. If you don't have that, do you just guess what will be in the frame?
 
it was a joke!
 
I owned the XE3 for quite a while and I eventually sold it because of the lack of tilting screen.
I think IBIS is inevitable given the latest lenses lack of stabilisation.
I don’t need 40 MP but having it isn’t a problem.

So XE3, IBIS, tilting screen and I would love it if they could squeeze in a 5 button control pad.

Oh and lose the touch screen, I never use them.
 
Weebsy said:
...

Oh and lose the touch screen, I never use them.
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Or better, actually make some use of the touch screen!

Like, let us navigate the menus, improve its responsiveness, improve the precision!
 
jhorse said:
unceunce said:
jhorse said:
unceunce said:
Alan Sh said:
I've set my alarm for 6am on the 12th June. Very interested in what they offer.

I'd like 40mp and Ibis in an interchageable format. The rest doesn't really matter.

Alan
Click to expand...
Is that the time of announcement? I will also do the same, I need to pre-order this asap, if the specs are good. The Charcoal black/grey is such a great color. I always go silver, and thought about black, but Charcoal is the happy medium between the two.
Click to expand...
This was my experience of the X100VI too. I watched the X Summit on 20 Feb 24, ordered the X100VI immediately, almost before the Summit had finished, from my local London Camera Exchange in the UK, and it arrived by the end of February - that was 2024 not '25!

I agree with you - if you have an idea of what specs you want in the XE5 and if in watching the X Summit it has them, then bang in an order. Then you have a reasonable chance of getting one in the first trance, or if you change your mind you can cancel.

Good luck!
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if you are in the UK, then that means that will be 1am for me in Canada. Yes I was able to get my x100vi quickly by being on the ball. I plan on doing the same for XE5, though I think the x100vi was much more popular.

but to be fair, most of the specs will likely be leaked before even the announcement lol, so you can pretty much just pre order when your stores allow it.
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It is in Shanghai, but the pre-announcement gave no start time so we cannot yet confirm the time viz our time zones. Unless, of course, Alan Sh has inside intel!
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No, no intel - just that all the previous ones have been 6am in the UK.

Alan
 
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