OP only has one lens without OIS. Maybe we should just accept they want IBIS. There are a lot of MFT lenses without OIS.
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Smallest Lumix body with IBIS
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Trying to find a non-existent smaller Lumix body is very hard (impossible) therefore it is reasonable to offer the fact that for a long long time Panasonic's stabilised lenses were previously doing a heroic job.
I have never missed not having IBIS with my well regarded 7-14/4.0. With the usual caveat that another's milage might vary. Similar criterion was used to justify many lenses made for dslr mount as OIS challenged.: that they hardly needed stabilisation support in in normal cycles of use.
In fact the Olympus 12-100/4.0 with in-lens IS (for example) is a very stable platform for both GM5 and G100.
I don't mind IBIS when it it there. However it is noteworthy that the Olympus 12/100/4.0 and the OMS 90/3.5 Macro come with excellent in-lens IS. That the in-lens IS boots the Panasonic IBIS off their bodies and cameras such as the G9 rely on the Olympus in-lens stabilisation alone. I have not felt deprived to have to rely on in-lens stabilisation in this case. I am also very pleased at how well stabilised these lenses are on not-stabilised bodies such as the GM5 and G100.
I am not into stops of stabilisation numbers - all I know is that OIS lenses alone can provide quite enough stabilisation for my needs. However I am quite happy enough to accept help from IBIS and dual stabilisation when it is provided.
Maybe I don't do enough ultra low-light photography. But interior available-light is a lot easier than it ever was with film.
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As this is becoming an Olympus dominated forum, hence many might confus on the real powerfulness of IBIS to Panasonic users (although it is changing from G9-2 or latest GH), i.e. DUAL IS, which is only possible on IBIS body.
If we shall happy with 2+ stops less effective stablization (on GX, G85, 95 or G9 or the older GHs), or 4+ in case of the 7 stops powerful IBIS on G9 mk-II or the latest GH, yes, the 3 stops effective stablization from most Panasonic lens OIS could be the least we can rely on.
I was growing up with non IBIS Panasonic bodies. I used to, or no alternative indeed, to lens OIS setup during that period of time. After experienced DUAL IS, I shall no longer consider a non IBIS body easily anymore. 2+ extra stops of effective stablization has opened up a bigger enevlop on low light shooting with less accessory: tripod or monopod. Thanks to the improved stablization, I can shoot a lot faster (no need to setup tripod) and in more awkward position.
GX850 is non IBIS. Might be of its LCD only has added additional stability issue to me, I felt a lot more restrictions on its uses vs my DUAL IS GX85/9 or the DUAL IS 2 G85. I took GX850 + 12-32 on my last trip for lightest possible setup. Back home, comparing to the output from my wife's GX9 & 14-140, over half of my shots were relatively more soft, if not blurry under similar shutter speed (in the region of 1/10~1/15") :-( . I might have spoiled by DUAL IS and should have forgotten the handholding skill.
If we shall happy with 2+ stops less effective stablization (on GX, G85, 95 or G9 or the older GHs), or 4+ in case of the 7 stops powerful IBIS on G9 mk-II or the latest GH, yes, the 3 stops effective stablization from most Panasonic lens OIS could be the least we can rely on.
I was growing up with non IBIS Panasonic bodies. I used to, or no alternative indeed, to lens OIS setup during that period of time. After experienced DUAL IS, I shall no longer consider a non IBIS body easily anymore. 2+ extra stops of effective stablization has opened up a bigger enevlop on low light shooting with less accessory: tripod or monopod. Thanks to the improved stablization, I can shoot a lot faster (no need to setup tripod) and in more awkward position.
GX850 is non IBIS. Might be of its LCD only has added additional stability issue to me, I felt a lot more restrictions on its uses vs my DUAL IS GX85/9 or the DUAL IS 2 G85. I took GX850 + 12-32 on my last trip for lightest possible setup. Back home, comparing to the output from my wife's GX9 & 14-140, over half of my shots were relatively more soft, if not blurry under similar shutter speed (in the region of 1/10~1/15") :-( . I might have spoiled by DUAL IS and should have forgotten the handholding skill.
GodSpeaks
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Why is IBIS so important? Many of the Lumix lenses have optical stabilization.
The GM series are quite a bit smaller than the GX, but they do not have IBIS, however in lens optical stabilization will work with lenses that have it.
GodSpeaks
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Well if truth be told, and you still find the GX cameras to be too much to carry, all that is left is your smartphone.
Isola Verde
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If now considering going without an EVF, but still eager for the benefits of IBIS (maybe, like me, to use with a UWA zoom - and perhaps a prime or two - especially here in gloomy Britain!) then don't forget there's also a near-relative of the M10 IV, the very accomplished and amenable Olympus E-P7... the final camera to carry that brand name.
It's rarely discussed here on DPR, I'd guess because - when launched in early summer 2021 - its distribution was limited to territories where it was anticipated to sell well... mostly in European and Asian countries - and subsequently, I gather, in Australia?
At under 12 ounces with battery etc, it's lighter than the GX9 by quarter of a pound.
For more details etc, try the preview here...
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/olympus-ep7/olympus-ep7A.HTM
And while Amateur Photographer's slightly dismissive review is on...
https://amateurphotographer.com/review/olympus-pen-e-p7-review/
... there's rather more enthusiasm in...
https://www.photographyblog.com/reviews/olympus_e_p7_review
At present MPB - from whom I bought - have a good stock of them...
https://www.mpb.com/en-uk/product/olympus-pen-e-p7?showAll=true&page=3
Since getting mine I've been taking the P7 on most our trips trips away - most recently paired with the G100, for whose shortcomings (particularly, the lack of IBIS and a panorama mode) it's a good antidote!
Peter
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softmarmotte
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I have recently added a GM1 to my GX9, which now remains at home when I go walking. It's plenty good enough...see Flickr posts
The search was for smallest LUMIX body with IBIS - that is the S9 today.
The smallest LUMIX MFT is the G97. OM-System is not a LUMIX, thus off-topic. G100 has no IBIS - off-topic. Smallest camera with IBIS is a smartcamera (like Xiaomi 14u) - also off-topic. Maybe cut the rotors from a Mavic 4 pro- that is small and best stab and 100MP...
It is like this, we can not change it. Maybe DJI will change it soon with a MFT camera, maybe they go for L-mount instead - more volume (market).
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jalywol
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Oh for heaven's sake.
OP is posting here on the Micro Four Thirds Forum. He has a G9 and GX9, and, obviously , lenses that go with them. He wants a smaller camera than the GX9.
The S9 is neither smaller than the GX9, (esp when you add the FF lenses to it), nor M43 format.
The smallest Lumixes with IBIS are the GX85 and the GX9. OP wants smaller than that. The G97 is much larger than either of those.
The smallest Lumix is the G100. The smallest M43 camera with IBIS is the OM EM10 IV.
This is simply information about the cameras available in M43 format, which will help the OP decide which is more important to him: IBIS or Lumix, as there is no one camera in the line that meets all his stated initial requirements as things are right now.
Give me a break.
-J
As you already own a GX9 it's probably not worthwhile to get a GX85 although it's a fine camera. As you seem to be willing to forego IBIS then you could take a look at the GX800/850. It does lack an EVF though. However, with your P12-32mm which is OIS you will be fine. A word of caution though, the aperture is controlled with the "Control Dial" and you might not like that.
I think, but am not sure that the GX800/850 and the GX85 use the same sensor? Someone here can verify that perhaps. Pretty sure the IQ is the same and I have both cameras.
If you go with a G100, get the latest. It has a nice EVF, but it has a FAS (fully articulating screen - LCD) rather than a tilt screen, so that's something you have to consider as well.
IF, you are willing to look further I would look at the Olympus/OM System E-P7. No EVF, but small with really, really nice IQ. But, only if you don't mind learning another menu system.
Not knowing how you intend to use the camera and how often, it's hard to advise. If just a point and shoot then go with the GX800/850.
Here is a photo at Wineglass Bay in Freycinet National Park in Tasmania, Australia.
I think, but am not sure that the GX800/850 and the GX85 use the same sensor? Someone here can verify that perhaps. Pretty sure the IQ is the same and I have both cameras.
If you go with a G100, get the latest. It has a nice EVF, but it has a FAS (fully articulating screen - LCD) rather than a tilt screen, so that's something you have to consider as well.
IF, you are willing to look further I would look at the Olympus/OM System E-P7. No EVF, but small with really, really nice IQ. But, only if you don't mind learning another menu system.
Not knowing how you intend to use the camera and how often, it's hard to advise. If just a point and shoot then go with the GX800/850.
Here is a photo at Wineglass Bay in Freycinet National Park in Tasmania, Australia.
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Isola Verde
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Er, well.... there's also the E-P7, which is still available to the OP "new" from Amazon UK, and noticeably smaller!
Peter
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jalywol
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You are correct. I never think of it for two reasons: No EVF, and it's not sold in the US, which is where I am. But, yes, it is an option if you don't need an EVF.
-J
If the EP7 is of interest, it’s worth signing up to the OM newsletter and watching out for refurbs and discounts. The white kit can be very cost effective. Mind the G100D kit is often an attractive price.
I’ve wondered about an EP7 as the long term replacement for my GM1.
Andrew
Isola Verde
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Their different batteries and menu-designs apart, the P7 seems to be making me a "best of both worlds" pairing with the G100 - which latter has dislodged both the GX800 & 850 from my affections, and travel bag!
Peter
I went with an OM5. I like having IBIS and PDAF and access to the full range of MFT lenses for shooting darker interiors and at night. The Laowa 10/2 is a favourite. The 12-45/4 is a great kit lens.
I’m not that fussed by menu differences and I only shoot RAW, so jpeg settings are not relevant.
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