Sony RX100 m8

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Hi, any rumors about a new RX100 m8 camera?

When can we eventually expect this compact camera?

I shall be looking forward to replies, thanks in advance.

Best regards, Herman
 
* a month ago, rumor discussion on this forum (24-300mm-equivalent, f/2.8-5.6, better battery, UHS II V90 support, $1980 U.S.).
Why are you quoting an April Fool's post as being relevant?
IMO that post / those specifications are about as relevant as anything else I've seen. They're all somewhere on the spectrum of plausible speculation at best, to ridiculous fantasy or parody at worst.

I've long been a fan of the RX100-series. And I think there's a profitable market for a putative new RX100 with the latest-and-greatest AF, a truly useful touchscreen, and maybe a bigger battery. For the lens, I think arguments can be made for the existing 24-70mm f/1.8-2.8, the existing 25-200mm f/2.8-4.5, a new 25-300mm f/2.8-5.6 (as Fooled), or (my personal favorite) a new 24-105mm f/2-4.
I think that if there were to be a true RX1007 successor, it would have to be completely re-thought and heavily based on mobile phone technology, that would allow much better performance from the small package. Modern phones have numerous innovations that deliver much higher resolution, much better low light performance, shallow DoF portraits, lots of AI assistance, live streaming to the web, etc. That’s what buyers now expect.
That just shows a serious disconnection with reality. The artificial blur stuff of smartphones works by using depth maps achieved by evaluating the input from several cameras, using proprietary mechanisms tuned to a particular phone and its cameras. There is nothing like a condensable "raw image"; similar with the multiple takes used for capturing low-light static scenes with multiple takes.

If there were a market for that as a separate camera, you'd have to look how many RX100M7 people habitually use "Auto" mode and precooked scene modes like "Miniature" (which does this kind of depth map processing from multiple differently focused shots) and "HDR". It's kind of like imagining what kind of fancy kitchen knife set would be most successful for lovers of microwaved foods. That's just not the crowd you'd attract with such an offering.
Perhaps the inspiration should be smart watches, which provide a unique set of functions to complement a paired phone. A smart camera would do something similar, using a bigger lens than will fit into a slim smartphone, but designed to complement one.
The DSC-QX line has been tried more than 10 years ago as a "complement a paired phone" device, and flopped.

The problem with most "Sony should really try X" marketing fantasies is that Sony already tried X at some point of time, and it did not work.

The low-hanging fruit imagined to be everywhere by armchair geniuses are just not there.
 
* a month ago, rumor discussion on this forum (24-300mm-equivalent, f/2.8-5.6, better battery, UHS II V90 support, $1980 U.S.).
Why are you quoting an April Fool's post as being relevant?
IMO that post / those specifications are about as relevant as anything else I've seen. They're all somewhere on the spectrum of plausible speculation at best, to ridiculous fantasy or parody at worst.

I've long been a fan of the RX100-series. And I think there's a profitable market for a putative new RX100 with the latest-and-greatest AF, a truly useful touchscreen, and maybe a bigger battery. For the lens, I think arguments can be made for the existing 24-70mm f/1.8-2.8, the existing 25-200mm f/2.8-4.5, a new 25-300mm f/2.8-5.6 (as Fooled), or (my personal favorite) a new 24-105mm f/2-4.
I think that if there were to be a true RX1007 successor, it would have to be completely re-thought and heavily based on mobile phone technology, that would allow much better performance from the small package. Modern phones have numerous innovations that deliver much higher resolution, much better low light performance, shallow DoF portraits, lots of AI assistance, live streaming to the web, etc. That’s what buyers now expect.
That just shows a serious disconnection with reality. The artificial blur stuff of smartphones works by using depth maps achieved by evaluating the input from several cameras, using proprietary mechanisms tuned to a particular phone and its cameras.
Yes, of course — that’s the whole idea. What else would it do?
There is nothing like a condensable "raw image"; similar with the multiple takes used for capturing low-light static scenes with multiple takes.
Yes, the multiple stacked images are processed automatically, in-camera. That’s the whole point of computational photography. The vast majority of smartphone users have zero interest in post-processing individual raw images, which is why the phones don’t save true raw images. All the images they save have had quite a lot of processing.
If there were a market for that as a separate camera, you'd have to look how many RX100M7 people habitually use "Auto" mode and precooked scene modes like "Miniature" (which does this kind of depth map processing from multiple differently focused shots) and "HDR".
That is not at all how it works — you’ve obviously never used it. The effect is much more simplistic than that.
It's kind of like imagining what kind of fancy kitchen knife set would be most successful for lovers of microwaved foods. That's just not the crowd you'd attract with such an offering.
The idea is simply to combine the benefits of smartphone computational photography with a much larger camera than will fit into an 8mm thick device.
Perhaps the inspiration should be smart watches, which provide a unique set of functions to complement a paired phone. A smart camera would do something similar, using a bigger lens than will fit into a slim smartphone, but designed to complement one.
The DSC-QX line has been tried more than 10 years ago as a "complement a paired phone" device, and flopped.
Yes, because it didn’t draw on the strengths of the phone. It was a stand-alone camera that used the phone as a viewfinder. Instead, the device needs to act as a completely integrated extension to the phone.
The problem with most "Sony should really try X" marketing fantasies is that Sony already tried X at some point of time, and it did not work.

The low-hanging fruit imagined to be everywhere by armchair geniuses are just not there.
Nobody is suggesting that this is either easy, or low hanging fruit. It’s just the only way that a market could remain for RX-type compact cameras. Most probably, it won’t happen, but if anyone could make it happen, it’s Sony.

Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
 
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Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff. I exercise and walk extensively. It's made by Garmin and links through an app on my phone. It's just as good as the overpriced Apple equivalent at $100 cheaper.
 
The artificial blur stuff of smartphones works by using depth maps achieved by evaluating the input from several cameras, using proprietary mechanisms tuned to a particular phone and its cameras.
Yes, of course — that’s the whole idea. What else would it do?
Artificial blur does not require input from several cameras. It can be done with blending as few as two images from one camera. I have a phone and an old Sony camera that apparently do it that way.

Also, a depth map from a single image can be built with 'AI' analysis. I have software that does it that way. There's no reason why a phone couldn't be designed to make use of it.

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In this example, close objects like the sofa in the foreground are bright, and more distant objects get darker. The darkest sections are a view of the outdoors through windows, and a reflection of the area behind the camera in a mirror at upper right. Very clever feature.
There is nothing like a condensable "raw image"; similar with the multiple takes used for capturing low-light static scenes with multiple takes.
Yes, the multiple stacked images are processed automatically, in-camera. That’s the whole point of computational photography. The vast majority of smartphone users have zero interest in post-processing individual raw images, which is why the phones don’t save true raw images. All the images they save have had quite a lot of processing.
If there were a market for that as a separate camera, you'd have to look how many RX100M7 people habitually use "Auto" mode and precooked scene modes like "Miniature" (which does this kind of depth map processing from multiple differently focused shots) and "HDR".
That is not at all how it works — you’ve obviously never used it. The effect is much more simplistic than that.
Yes, miniature mode in our cameras is just a gradual blur in two directions. Nothing fancy.
 
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Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
I exercise and walk extensively. It's made by Garmin and links through an app on my phone. It's just as good as the overpriced Apple equivalent at $100 cheaper.
 
* a month ago, rumor discussion on this forum (24-300mm-equivalent, f/2.8-5.6, better battery, UHS II V90 support, $1980 U.S.).
That was an April fools joke. That said my RX100VII is good enough the way it is and I desire nothing better.
USB-C, and 10-bit 4K would be nice!
You won’t get either. This camera range died six years ago.
Let's not discuss anything either. Dead topic. Move on.
 
Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
Yes, every notification that pops up on my iPhone shows up on the watch.
 
Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
Yes, every notification that pops up on my iPhone shows up on the watch.
Yes, this review actually prefers the Garmin as a fitness tracker, even though it’s more expensive than an Apple Watch.


A feature that’s popular here (perhaps less so in the US) is that the Apple Watch can be used as a contactless credit card, with a fast public transit capability. Just wave the watch at the pad on the ticket barrier to pay the fare. I don’t know if the Garmin has the same capability?
 
Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
Yes, every notification that pops up on my iPhone shows up on the watch.
Yes, this review actually prefers the Garmin as a fitness tracker, even though it’s more expensive than an Apple Watch.

https://www.nourishmovelove.com/garmin-vs-apple-watch/

A feature that’s popular here (perhaps less so in the US) is that the Apple Watch can be used as a contactless credit card, with a fast public transit capability. Just wave the watch at the pad on the ticket barrier to pay the fare. I don’t know if the Garmin has the same capability?
I don't use the contactless payment feature of my iPhone and never will due to security concerns. The Garman watch I have sells for $239 which is cheaper than any Apple watch I know of. Both brands have models that are more expensive. My primary reason for the watch is as a fitness tracker.

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Tom
 
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Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
Yes, every notification that pops up on my iPhone shows up on the watch.
Yes, this review actually prefers the Garmin as a fitness tracker, even though it’s more expensive than an Apple Watch.

https://www.nourishmovelove.com/garmin-vs-apple-watch/

A feature that’s popular here (perhaps less so in the US) is that the Apple Watch can be used as a contactless credit card, with a fast public transit capability. Just wave the watch at the pad on the ticket barrier to pay the fare. I don’t know if the Garmin has the same capability?
I don't use the contactless payment feature of my iPhone and never will due to security concerns.
It's much more secure than a normal credit card.

I've checked, and it turns out that the special transit mode is only available through the Apple Watch.
The Garman watch I have sells for $239 which is cheaper than any Apple watch I know of. Both brands have models that are more expensive. My primary reason for the watch is as a fitness tracker.
Yes, Garmin has been a specialist in fitness trackers for a long time, far longer than Apple has made watches.
 
Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
Yes, every notification that pops up on my iPhone shows up on the watch.
Yes, this review actually prefers the Garmin as a fitness tracker, even though it’s more expensive than an Apple Watch.

https://www.nourishmovelove.com/garmin-vs-apple-watch/

A feature that’s popular here (perhaps less so in the US) is that the Apple Watch can be used as a contactless credit card, with a fast public transit capability. Just wave the watch at the pad on the ticket barrier to pay the fare. I don’t know if the Garmin has the same capability?
I don't use the contactless payment feature of my iPhone and never will due to security concerns.
It's much more secure than a normal credit card.

I've checked, and it turns out that the special transit mode is only available through the Apple Watch.
The Garman watch I have sells for $239 which is cheaper than any Apple watch I know of. Both brands have models that are more expensive. My primary reason for the watch is as a fitness tracker.
Yes, Garmin has been a specialist in fitness trackers for a long time, far longer than Apple has made watches.
I'm an Apple Pay fan as well. You're not going to have to worry about your information being stolen.

I made the switch from Apple to Garmin for smartwatches. Garmin has so many more metrics for tracking fitness. The Fenix 8 is a fabulous watch.

Apple Watches are just an extension of your phone on your wrist for the most part. I never really got hooked as a "must have" device.

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Ryan
 
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Remember how most younger people stopped wearing wrist watches, and used their phones instead? Well, lots of them now buy expensive phone extensions that strap to their wrists.
Even old geezers like myself has a smartwatch to track steps, milage, heart rate, sleep quality, O2 levels and a bunch of other stuff.
Including emails and texts?
Yes, every notification that pops up on my iPhone shows up on the watch.
Yes, this review actually prefers the Garmin as a fitness tracker, even though it’s more expensive than an Apple Watch.

https://www.nourishmovelove.com/garmin-vs-apple-watch/

A feature that’s popular here (perhaps less so in the US) is that the Apple Watch can be used as a contactless credit card, with a fast public transit capability. Just wave the watch at the pad on the ticket barrier to pay the fare. I don’t know if the Garmin has the same capability?
I don't use the contactless payment feature of my iPhone and never will due to security concerns.
It's much more secure than a normal credit card.

I've checked, and it turns out that the special transit mode is only available through the Apple Watch.
The Garman watch I have sells for $239 which is cheaper than any Apple watch I know of. Both brands have models that are more expensive. My primary reason for the watch is as a fitness tracker.
Yes, Garmin has been a specialist in fitness trackers for a long time, far longer than Apple has made watches.
I'm an Apple Pay fan as well. You're not going to have to worry about your information being stolen.

I made the switch from Apple to Garmin for smartwatches. Garmin has so many more metrics for tracking fitness. The Fenix 8 is a fabulous watch.

Apple Watches are just an extension of your phone on your wrist for the most part. I never really got hooked as a "must have" device.
After a slow start, they've become a lot more popular than I expected. I was surprised that you can leave the phone at home and the watch still works as an extension to it.

In parts of London, smartphone theft has become a real problem, with thieves approaching silently on eBikes, and grabbing phones out of pedestrians' hands. Having the phone extension safely strapped to the wrist largely negates that risk.
 
If the end of the RX100 line happened a while back, why did Sony not just say so? That will put an end to all these rumors.
 
Samsung didn’t officially announce the end of their line of cameras either.
 
If the end of the RX100 line happened a while back, why did Sony not just say so? That will put an end to all these rumors.
Maybe they don't want to box themselves in if one day in the future, they'll develop a M8.
If they change their minds about an M8 in the future, they can always say so. This way at least, people won't be left guessing forever.
 
If the end of the RX100 line happened a while back, why did Sony not just say so? That will put an end to all these rumors.
Maybe they don't want to box themselves in if one day in the future, they'll develop a M8.
If they change their minds about an M8 in the future, they can always say so. This way at least, people won't be left guessing forever.
I don't think Sony cares. At this point, if you want a RX10/100, you should just get one. You might end up waiting forever and nothing materialize.
 
If the end of the RX100 line happened a while back, why did Sony not just say so? That will put an end to all these rumors.
Maybe they don't want to box themselves in if one day in the future, they'll develop a M8.
If they change their minds about an M8 in the future, they can always say so. This way at least, people won't be left guessing forever.
I don't think Sony cares. At this point, if you want a RX10/100, you should just get one. You might end up waiting forever and nothing materialize.
If I waited around for the next iteration of something, I would be a rich person because I would never spend money on anything.
 
I find it undesirable that manufacturers don't inform their customers about a product being discontinued. Transparency builds trust. Good customer management goes hand-in-hand with proactively informing customers about production stops or the end of support.

Best regards, Herman
 
I find it undesirable that manufacturers don't inform their customers about a product being discontinued. Transparency builds trust. Good customer management goes hand-in-hand with proactively informing customers about production stops or the end of support.

Best regards, Herman
I think Apple is the gold standard. Sony doesn't really care after you pay them. Consider any update to be a bonus. There has been considerable advancement in technology since 2019. It's a shame that it's unlikely we'll see an M8.
 

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