DJI Mavic 4 Pro No ProRes ☹️

Lensmate said:

"it’s way too much cash for a side piece like that."

Make it a tax write off instead. Part of the business trade offs.

-M

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amateurphotographer said:

1. amateurphotographer wrote:

Lensmate said:

"it’s way too much cash for a side piece like that."

Make it a tax write off instead. Part of the business trade offs.

-M

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Hi, I think if you were a full time photographer or a rich uncle then the M4Pro is reasonable. I pay way more for my camera bodies and even lenses. You get the latest and currently the best drone in that price bracket in the world, there isn't any alternatives to compare with. The inspire is a beast and I would say an overkill for weddings. Am sure the Air would be suffice for weddings, you would probably be flying near the couple, and the largest sensor would help particular at sunset or night drone work. The latest has 16 dynamic range which is great for sunset. I've never read of couples saying the drone footage is poor quality.

My gripe comes from another angle , the lens has changed from 24mm to 28mm. As I shoot architecture often in urban areas, means my drone needs to move further away, thus increases risk, or you end up using free or other pano modes, which can incur stitching errors, particularly with the sky and moving traffic. I'm currently using the M3P and probably stick to that as long as possible. I would have liked to seen the M4P to have inbuilt ND filter which was rumoured but never made it to the final product.

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lufibo said:

I noticed that as well.

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Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Lensmate said:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Sagittarius said:

Lensmate said:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Why do you need RAW file to get different dimensions?

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Lensmate said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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mmarian said:

mmarian said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

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Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

Lensmate said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

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I can relate to that. But for me, it isn't a huge issue. I crop to view the majority of my images so they can viewed 16:9 on my monitor.

-M

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mmarian said:

I appreciate that this won't matter to many people. What peed me off was that I was already in the store ready to put down deposit for this drone when a few hours later I found out about it. DJI has not declared this anywhere!! In all published marketing material and even on spec sheet they only say 4/3 Hasselblad camera. That is to me misleading to put it politely. It might well be 4/3 sensor but they are only giving us part of it. I assume full width but not full height. They should have clearly state that this is not full 4/3 camera but cropped version to 3/2. Then people could make informed decision whether this is acceptable to them or not. The sales people in my local DJI shop did not know this either!! Noone I spoke to knew that. I even saw a YT video where the guy was saying "aaah 3:2 or 16:9 photos? I have to look at the settings later to find the full 4/3 format" Obviously not aware that full 4/3 sensor photos are simply not possible with this drone.

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

mmarian said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

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I can relate to that. But for me, it isn't a huge issue. I crop to view the majority of my images so they can viewed 16:9 on my monitor.

-M

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Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

I appreciate that this won't matter to many people. What peed me off was that I was already in the store ready to put down deposit for this drone when a few hours later I found out about it. DJI has not declared this anywhere!! In all published marketing material and even on spec sheet they only say 4/3 Hasselblad camera. That is to me misleading to put it politely. It might well be 4/3 sensor but they are only giving us part of it. I assume full width but not full height. They should have clearly state that this is not full 4/3 camera but cropped version to 3/2. Then people could make informed decision whether this is acceptable to them or not. The sales people in my local DJI shop did not know this either!! Noone I spoke to knew that. I even saw a YT video where the guy was saying "aaah 3:2 or 16:9 photos? I have to look at the settings later to find the full 4/3 format" Obviously not aware that full 4/3 sensor photos are simply not possible with this drone.

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

Lensmate said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

Click to expand...

Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

Click to expand...

Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

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I can relate to that. But for me, it isn't a huge issue. I crop to view the majority of my images so they can viewed 16:9 on my monitor.

-M

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I can only say that it could be an omission error by mistake, rather than lying by omission...

Will you keep/buy the drone in spite of it?

-M

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mmarian said:

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

I appreciate that this won't matter to many people. What peed me off was that I was already in the store ready to put down deposit for this drone when a few hours later I found out about it. DJI has not declared this anywhere!! In all published marketing material and even on spec sheet they only say 4/3 Hasselblad camera. That is to me misleading to put it politely. It might well be 4/3 sensor but they are only giving us part of it. I assume full width but not full height. They should have clearly state that this is not full 4/3 camera but cropped version to 3/2. Then people could make informed decision whether this is acceptable to them or not. The sales people in my local DJI shop did not know this either!! Noone I spoke to knew that. I even saw a YT video where the guy was saying "aaah 3:2 or 16:9 photos? I have to look at the settings later to find the full 4/3 format" Obviously not aware that full 4/3 sensor photos are simply not possible with this drone.

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

mmarian said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

Click to expand...

Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

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I can relate to that. But for me, it isn't a huge issue. I crop to view the majority of my images so they can viewed 16:9 on my monitor.

-M

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I can only say that it could be an omission error by mistake, rather than lying by omission...

Will you keep/buy the drone in spite of it?

-M

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I think you are too kind and generous for being prepared to give them benefit of the doubt.

I decided not to buy M4P for now. For my line of work the 28mm on vertically narrower sensor effectively reduces the vertical coverage of the M4P main camera by almost half when compared to 24mm on full 4/3 sensor of M3P. That is significant reduction and I will have to give it serious consideration before making a move. Many of the extra features of M4P are inconsequential to me. The 360 rotating gimbal, 30km range, 90km/h max speed, 6K video horizontal and vertical etc. The main attraction for me is the new RC Pro 2. It has amazing 7" screen with 2000nit max brightness and the picture on it looks simply stunning. The collapsible control sticks are nice too but not a dealmaker or breaker for me.

I am not in a hurry to abandon my M3P, let's put it that way..

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Lensmate said:

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mmarian said:

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

I appreciate that this won't matter to many people. What peed me off was that I was already in the store ready to put down deposit for this drone when a few hours later I found out about it. DJI has not declared this anywhere!! In all published marketing material and even on spec sheet they only say 4/3 Hasselblad camera. That is to me misleading to put it politely. It might well be 4/3 sensor but they are only giving us part of it. I assume full width but not full height. They should have clearly state that this is not full 4/3 camera but cropped version to 3/2. Then people could make informed decision whether this is acceptable to them or not. The sales people in my local DJI shop did not know this either!! Noone I spoke to knew that. I even saw a YT video where the guy was saying "aaah 3:2 or 16:9 photos? I have to look at the settings later to find the full 4/3 format" Obviously not aware that full 4/3 sensor photos are simply not possible with this drone.

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

Lensmate said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

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Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

Click to expand...

I can relate to that. But for me, it isn't a huge issue. I crop to view the majority of my images so they can viewed 16:9 on my monitor.

-M

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I can only say that it could be an omission error by mistake, rather than lying by omission...

Will you keep/buy the drone in spite of it?

-M

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I think you are too kind and generous for being prepared to give them benefit of the doubt.

I decided not to buy M4P for now. For my line of work the 28mm on vertically narrower sensor effectively reduces the vertical coverage of the M4P main camera by almost half when compared to 24mm on full 4/3 sensor of M3P. That is significant reduction and I will have to give it serious consideration before making a move. Many of the extra features of M4P are inconsequential to me. The 360 rotating gimbal, 30km range, 90km/h max speed, 6K video horizontal and vertical etc. The main attraction for me is the new RC Pro 2. It has amazing 7" screen with 2000nit max brightness and the picture on it looks simply stunning. The collapsible control sticks are nice too but not a dealmaker or breaker for me.

I am not in a hurry to abandon my M3P, let's put it that way..

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If you by chance change your mind, do keep us posted. Your drone work is exceptional. It would be interesting to see images from it.

-M

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mmarian said:

mmarian said:

1. Lensmate wrote:

mmarian said:

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

I appreciate that this won't matter to many people. What peed me off was that I was already in the store ready to put down deposit for this drone when a few hours later I found out about it. DJI has not declared this anywhere!! In all published marketing material and even on spec sheet they only say 4/3 Hasselblad camera. That is to me misleading to put it politely. It might well be 4/3 sensor but they are only giving us part of it. I assume full width but not full height. They should have clearly state that this is not full 4/3 camera but cropped version to 3/2. Then people could make informed decision whether this is acceptable to them or not. The sales people in my local DJI shop did not know this either!! Noone I spoke to knew that. I even saw a YT video where the guy was saying "aaah 3:2 or 16:9 photos? I have to look at the settings later to find the full 4/3 format" Obviously not aware that full 4/3 sensor photos are simply not possible with this drone.

Lensmate said:

mmarian said:

mmarian said:

• Lensmate wrote:

Peter Brentlinger said:

Didn't know it was 3/2. That kills it for me. I'll stick with my MP3 and it's 4/3 ratio!

Click to expand...

Nothing stopping you from using the raw file to get the dimensions you want.

-M

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Yeah, by cropping even more into the image and reducing the resolution further. You have missed the point completely. 4:3 format offers lot more flexibility when cropping. But my main gripe is that DJI advertised this drone having 4/3 sensor behind the 28mm lens on the main camera. And they delivered is different. If they used 4/3 sensor they decided for some weird reason to use only part of it and cropped from top and bottom giving us the 3:2 ratio photos. It matters to sime like me who shoots architecture and wants to have 4/3 output format. Then Ican decide what to keep and what to crop. Sometimes I would need to keep all the bottom area and only crop from top of my client would want lets say 3:2 format. Or I can crop from bottom and keep eveeything on the top.if my subject requires it. Having only 3:2 ratio and 28mm instead of 24mm on 4/3 sensor significabtly reduces vertical coverage on landscape format shots and thus my options when shooting and in post.

Click to expand...

I can relate to that. But for me, it isn't a huge issue. I crop to view the majority of my images so they can viewed 16:9 on my monitor.

-M

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I can only say that it could be an omission error by mistake, rather than lying by omission...

Will you keep/buy the drone in spite of it?

-M

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I think you are too kind and generous for being prepared to give them benefit of the doubt.

I decided not to buy M4P for now. For my line of work the 28mm on vertically narrower sensor effectively reduces the vertical coverage of the M4P main camera by almost half when compared to 24mm on full 4/3 sensor of M3P. That is significant reduction and I will have to give it serious consideration before making a move. Many of the extra features of M4P are inconsequential to me. The 360 rotating gimbal, 30km range, 90km/h max speed, 6K video horizontal and vertical etc. The main attraction for me is the new RC Pro 2. It has amazing 7" screen with 2000nit max brightness and the picture on it looks simply stunning. The collapsible control sticks are nice too but not a dealmaker or breaker for me.

I am not in a hurry to abandon my M3P, let's put it that way..

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If you by chance change your mind, do keep us posted. Your drone work is exceptional. It would be interesting to see images from it.

-M

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Thank you for your compliment! I certainly will..

At the moment I am little bit like the rower on this photo, ziz-zagging in my thoughts about the M4P.. Should I, Shouldn't I ???

This is from 168mm on my M3P. Processed in DxO Pure Raw , Lr and Ps. Image-quality-wise it is very usable for printing and framing

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mmarian said:

mmarian said:

1. amateurphotographer wrote:

Lensmate said:

"it’s way too much cash for a side piece like that."

Make it a tax write off instead. Part of the business trade offs.

-M

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Hi, I think if you were a full time photographer or a rich uncle then the M4Pro is reasonable. I pay way more for my camera bodies and even lenses. You get the latest and currently the best drone in that price bracket in the world, there isn't any alternatives to compare with. The inspire is a beast and I would say an overkill for weddings. Am sure the Air would be suffice for weddings, you would probably be flying near the couple, and the largest sensor would help particular at sunset or night drone work. The latest has 16 dynamic range which is great for sunset. I've never read of couples saying the drone footage is poor quality.

My gripe comes from another angle , the lens has changed from 24mm to 28mm. As I shoot architecture often in urban areas, means my drone needs to move further away, thus increases risk, or you end up using free or other pano modes, which can incur stitching errors, particularly with the sky and moving traffic. I'm currently using the M3P and probably stick to that as long as possible. I would have liked to seen the M4P to have inbuilt ND filter which was rumoured but never made it to the final product.

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Furthermore the main 28mm camera now shoots photos in 3:2 aspect ratio which further reduces vertical field of view in horizontal (landscape) photos. This crucial piece of info (for some) has been omitted in the spec sheet.

FWIW I am sticking with my M3P too...

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