Nikon's Greatest Z Lens?

I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
I get what you are trying to say, but if you are talking simply about the best optical performance, that can mean different things to different people.

Just some thoughts. I would love it if AnotherMike jumps in as I am sure he can explain it way better than I.

Lenses are designed with particular constraints in mind like price, size and weight etc. Always those about constraints when we are judging a lens as it is very important to the discussion. The question about say the 58 f0.95 Noct is, "why so big, heavy and expensive?" Well, the parameters that Nikon set out for this lens was basically "perfection", but even then, size, weight and price were a consideration, they had a limit to these parameters. The lens could have been even better but would have been unusably large. The reason it is MF is simply because to make it AF it would have been even larger due to the fact that the AF elements would have had to be differently placed and thus compromised some of the parameters of the lens. Cost would have even been more.

Test criteria may mean that a Nikon lens doesn't test quite as well as a Sony, Canon or 3rd party, say. You can make a lens test brilliantly but look mediocre as far as actual IQ. So, tests are an objective way to test a lens, but much of what we like is also subjective - think bokeh and those sorts of parameters.

What is the purpose of a particular lens's performance requirement? Do we want a portrait lens to be super sharp wide open and up to say f4 when taking portraits and at portrait distance? We may want them to be slightly less sharp so as to flatter the models face but then sharpen up at f4+ for more general photos like landscapes. Does it need to be sharp across the frame at portrait distance? Can it be designed so as to be sharper at longer distance? Again, all these things have to be compromised to achieve a result that satisfies the market at the price, size and weight level.

A lens like the 24-70 f2.8 may have been designed as best they can within the restraints of price, size and weight to be super sharp at landscape focal lengths say 24-50mm, and then not need to be at portrait focal lengths like 70mm wide open, thus a very versatile lens whilst giving excellent bokeh.

Lets look at the exotic tele lenses, 400TC and 600TC. They are obviously almost a no-compromise lens, but even they are constrained by price, size and weight etc. Think about the placement of the elements etc in these modern long tele lenses, they have been designed to have the weight more towards the camera for easier more balanced handling. This means more exotic elements etc thus pushing up prices but hopefully not impacting overall IQ and sharpness at distances where they deem the lens to be used most at. In other words, there will be a sweet spot of sharpness at a certain camera to subject distance range where it will be at it's optimum but mya drop off slightly either side of that range. It will be minor at best but it is going to be there. It is not just constrained to these two lenses, the 400 f4.5, 600 PF, 800 PF will also be designed to fit the parameters that suit their focal length and subject type. AF speed, AF elements etc, also go into this price, size and weight envelope.

You buy a lens for the parameters that best suit the application and the price envelope that you can afford. With that in mind, I think that this is highly subjective. Yes, the 135 f1.8 Plena is an amazing lens, but is it the best? At 135mm it probably is, it certainly is at that focal length for me. However, at 85mm, the Z 85 f1.2 is. At 600mm, my 600TC is, but if I want to go light and small, the 600PF is. As a zoom in the midranges, the 24-70 f2.8S is. As a super wide angle zoom, the 14-24 f2.8 is. at a short zoom, the 70-200 f2.8 VR S is stupidly sharp wide open and is the best. At 35mm, the 35 f1.2 is.
 
From a completely different segment of the users, I would say the 28-400. Nothing else to match the spread, and don't know of any other 400mm lens that is this small, light and compact, and stands alone as there is no direct competition.
A fun and well made lens, but too many compromises to meet the criteria of "greatest."

I agree that the Nikon 105mm MC macro is a contenders as it's almost flawless. The 85mm 1.2...also insanely good.

But the Plena reigns supreme! ;-)

Robert
Robert, I know you have forgotten more about photography than I will ever know, but do you not find the 135mm focal length which makes it a medium telephoto lens to be a little restrictive unless used outdoors or for portraits? This is one of the main reasons I chose the 85 1.2 over the Plena, which both have such close image IQ that the differences are better seen on graphs and extreme pixel peeping around the image corners.

I feel that while the plena may hold a slight advantage in ultimate picture quality by a paper thin margin over the 85, the focal length of the 85 makes it more versatile. It may have another slight advantage over the plena in extreme low light conditions.
It doesn't matter what the usage envelope is. I'm only looking at ultimate IQ and overall design excellence. In my experience, the Plena has the best IQ while minimizing flaws that can be typical of any lens.

ANY focal length qualifies.
That's reasonable; can't argue with that.

Thanks.
 
I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
You need to clarify how you define "optical perfection" and "superb optic".

Along with rational of lumping all different mm and f/stop lenses together and picking one as king. For example: Z 135mm f/1.8 Plena vs. Z 50mm f/1.2 S. Totally different mm and f-stops. Entirely different purposes. Both deserve prime seats in Kings Court.
Save $1500 and get the F1.8S 50mm. I wasn't a fan at all of the 50mm F1.2, noisy autofocus motor, 50MM F1.8S is much quieter, (reported in several reviews, so it wasn't just me or my copy, I tried another) slower autofocus than the 50mm F1.8S, big and heavy (heavier and longer than a 24-70 F2.8S). 2.5 pounds for a 50mm prime. No thanks. I will take the 50mm F1.8S anyday... If you shoot at F4, the 50mm F1.8S is a sharper lens. Even at F2.8 the F1.8S is sharper, except the corners, even corners are close, in all the sharpness reviews...
 
I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
I get what you are trying to say, but if you are talking simply about the best optical performance, that can mean different things to different people.

Just some thoughts. I would love it if AnotherMike jumps in as I am sure he can explain it way better than I.

Lenses are designed with particular constraints in mind like price, size and weight etc. Always those about constraints when we are judging a lens as it is very important to the discussion. The question about say the 58 f0.95 Noct is, "why so big, heavy and expensive?" Well, the parameters that Nikon set out for this lens was basically "perfection", but even then, size, weight and price were a consideration, they had a limit to these parameters. The lens could have been even better but would have been unusably large. The reason it is MF is simply because to make it AF it would have been even larger due to the fact that the AF elements would have had to be differently placed and thus compromised some of the parameters of the lens. Cost would have even been more.

Test criteria may mean that a Nikon lens doesn't test quite as well as a Sony, Canon or 3rd party, say. You can make a lens test brilliantly but look mediocre as far as actual IQ. So, tests are an objective way to test a lens, but much of what we like is also subjective - think bokeh and those sorts of parameters.

What is the purpose of a particular lens's performance requirement? Do we want a portrait lens to be super sharp wide open and up to say f4 when taking portraits and at portrait distance? We may want them to be slightly less sharp so as to flatter the models face but then sharpen up at f4+ for more general photos like landscapes. Does it need to be sharp across the frame at portrait distance? Can it be designed so as to be sharper at longer distance? Again, all these things have to be compromised to achieve a result that satisfies the market at the price, size and weight level.

A lens like the 24-70 f2.8 may have been designed as best they can within the restraints of price, size and weight to be super sharp at landscape focal lengths say 24-50mm, and then not need to be at portrait focal lengths like 70mm wide open, thus a very versatile lens whilst giving excellent bokeh.

Lets look at the exotic tele lenses, 400TC and 600TC. They are obviously almost a no-compromise lens, but even they are constrained by price, size and weight etc. Think about the placement of the elements etc in these modern long tele lenses, they have been designed to have the weight more towards the camera for easier more balanced handling. This means more exotic elements etc thus pushing up prices but hopefully not impacting overall IQ and sharpness at distances where they deem the lens to be used most at. In other words, there will be a sweet spot of sharpness at a certain camera to subject distance range where it will be at it's optimum but mya drop off slightly either side of that range. It will be minor at best but it is going to be there. It is not just constrained to these two lenses, the 400 f4.5, 600 PF, 800 PF will also be designed to fit the parameters that suit their focal length and subject type. AF speed, AF elements etc, also go into this price, size and weight envelope.

You buy a lens for the parameters that best suit the application and the price envelope that you can afford. With that in mind, I think that this is highly subjective. Yes, the 135 f1.8 Plena is an amazing lens, but is it the best? At 135mm it probably is, it certainly is at that focal length for me. However, at 85mm, the Z 85 f1.2 is.
Thats not fully correct. If you need faster than F2.8, the 85mm F1.2 is the king. If you are shooting at F2.8 or larger, the Nikon 85mm F1.8S is actually sharper. Only spend 3x the price and buy the 85 F1.2 if you are going to be shooting faster than F2.8 and you can deal with the big size/weight. If you are shooting at F2.8- F4.0-F5.6 etc, the 85 F1.8S is the sharper/better lens and a lot lighter and smaller and fully sealed against the weather as well... All the reviews confirm this. More $$ doesn't always buy the better lens.
At 600mm, my 600TC is, but if I want to go light and small, the 600PF is. As a zoom in the midranges, the 24-70 f2.8S is. As a super wide angle zoom, the 14-24 f2.8 is. at a short zoom, the 70-200 f2.8 VR S is stupidly sharp wide open and is the best. At 35mm, the 35 f1.2 is.
Yes, all great choices there.
 
I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
Likely also the easiest lens to make "great". Excellent 135mm lenses are a dime a dozen. I actually prefer the rendering of the Sony. The sample images from the Sony that I have seen are as yet unmatched IMO.

Arguably the much cheaper 105mm f/2.8 macro lens is the "greatest" if you factor in price/performance.

Doesn't really matter. I have no use for either.

Probably also part of the reason why Nikon made up some special name for their 135mm. They managed to take a product few people normally buy and turn it into a great seller.

I think those who proclaim the 50/1.8 the greatest do have a point. For the price, it's hard to beat this lens. And if it wasn't for the lens tilt that plagues this lens, and the poor handling, I would tend to agree this is Nikon's "greatest" lens.

In terms of actual challenge in making it great, the 14-24/2.8 and the 24-70/2.8 are hard to beat, and one of these would probably get my vote. I can't wait to see what Nikon delivers with their next update of the 24-70/2.8.
 
I agree Lance, it's somewhat of a silly question as it stands.

I'd rather categorize perhaps by focal length groupings. The reason I say this is that it's far, far easier to design a truly great 135mm lens than it is to design a truly great 35mm lens, and it's easier to design a 400/2.8 that tops the resolution charts than, say, a 50. So should we punish an excellent job at an extremely difficult range because optically a decent job at a far easier range produces a better score somewhere? Not sure I have a good answer for that.

There are many reasons, but Etendue is one of the biggest - when we have a lens with a very large angle of view (and then tack on a complex requirement like it being fast), we have a lot more aberrations that need to be controlled (than with a narrow angle lens like a telephoto) - the usual 3rd order ones we're all familiar with, but also the 5th order, and who knows what orders beyond that. So the optimization game becomes quite complex and you will, absolutely, be doing horse trading.

For a narrow angle lens like a 135, nowhere as difficult. So sure, let's take 135mm lenses: Yes, it's a lens that is "easy" for anyone - even a Samyang - to make a very good 135. I don't recall any bad modern 135mm lenses from anyone, but at the same time, there are differences between then that lie in the subtle realm - and that means things well beyond the simplistic view of MTF50 test chart numbers being the sole and primary determinant of lens quality, which is why the Plena would easily top my list. But then things like your 400/2.8 are likely even a bit better.

Now let's take something like the 35/1.2S. It's impossible to design a lens that absolutely aces ALL parameters of image quality (assuming the reader understands it's a lot more than just MTF50 or even MTF itself in optical bench terms), so the designers have to make choices, and when the difficulty is harder, that means the odds that each manufacturer makes different, perhaps even vastly different, trade offs means you'll see more subtle to moderate differences in such an optic.

So do we give the award to a lens that is within a group that is fairly easy to design a really good one, (the 85mm, the 105mm, the 135mm, the 400mm, etc), even if Nikon really does have a class leading example, or do we give it to a lens that is a VASTLY harder design exercise - like a 35/1.2S?

And then it comes to use case, and need, and everything changes again.

So my votes - with the bias I don't own any super telephotos

Wide Range:
  • 14-24/2.8S: That Nikon could produce an ultrawide zoom that can meet and often *beat* ANY F mount Nikon brand G prime within the range is absurd. At 20mm, this thing is so close to even the 20/1.8S prime at F/4 it's not funny. It only loses - and barely loses, at 24mm to the 24/1.8S and Zeiss 25/1.4 at F/5.6, which is again, ridiculous. A knock the ball way out of the park lens
  • 35/1.2S: Nikons best wide angle, by a mile. No, not perfect, see earlier writing why, but that they got this lens insanely sharp in the central zone WHILE preserving OOF transition AND an honest, natural balance of resolution across all spatial frequencies (meaning the lens never looks clinical, reproduces subjects with dimension realistically, and the lens doesn't block up the shadows) and on top of it, has decent bokeh in a focal length where perfect bokeh is impossible, wow, just wow.
Normal Range:
  • Never shot it, but I bet the 58 .95 Noct has to be considered.
  • These two are on the "almost made it" list:
    • 50/1.2S if one is a people shooter, although if one wants to haul this thing for landscape work, it will walk toe to toe with the reference for landscape 50's, the Voigtlander 50/2 Apo Lanthar. But it's strongly tuned for people in portrait distances and early apertures.
    • The 24-70/2.8S zoom, for similar reasons as I gave for the 14-24/2.8S. Can match or beat most F mount primes at 35 and 50mm, which is not bad for a zoom, and it renders well - has many of the same strengths rendering wise of the 35/1.2S but at lessor magnitude, and is a lens that is never clinical, always honest, and I think was designed by a truly world class team.
Mid-Telephoto Range:
  • 85/1.2S
    • to the poster who honestly thinks an 85/1.8S can beat this lens stopped down. Nope. Own both, tens of thousands of frames on both. I absolutely adore the 85/1.8S, and it usually travels with me for size/weight/backpack space reasons. But if I could - or if I think 85mm is the key length for where I'm going, the 85/1.2S comes along. For studio work, even at F/9, even after 10's of thousands of frames with both lenses, I'll *always* pick the 85/1.2S. Always. That's not a knock on the 85/1.8S - an amazing lens for the money, and you do have to spend 85/1.2S money to beat it. But slightly beat it, it does. At every use case I've ever thrown at it. There's more to life than an MTF50 score. And to be honest, while I no longer have the test files after a computer swap out, when I ran both of these through MTFmapper at portrait range, I believe the 85/1.2s came slightly ahead, although it's more a slightly different weighting of resolution at various frequencies which gives the faster lens a bit of an advantage in terms of natural/honest rendering - something you can measure objectively, but you'll never see it in any MTF50 score on any test site, nor will you see it in a manufacturers MTF chart they publish. But that's a topic for another day.
  • 135/1.8 Plena
  • Almost Made it: 105/2.8S MC. I only put it on the "almost" because I can see them maybe doing a 105/1.8S at some point that's a bit more portraiture tuned. But I'm being nitpicky tonight - this lens really is one of the very best 105mm's on the market for a very wide variety of use cases and I love mine.
 
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I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
Likely also the easiest lens to make "great". Excellent 135mm lenses are a dime a dozen. I actually prefer the rendering of the Sony. The sample images from the Sony that I have seen are as yet unmatched IMO.
I've shot with the Sony and it's not as good as the Plena. PetaPixel noted CA from the Sony, which I also saw right away on tree branches. The Plena has none. Sony has less contrast wide open (which I didn't notice) and the Plena is more consistent across the frame.

Sony can't touch the Plena for Bokeh. The Plena pulls way ahead with zero cats eye.

Dime a dozen? These are all pricey lenses, but the Plena leads all for now. I'd still rank the Sigma ART 135 over the Sony, which I was able to compare directly and I know my Plena bests the Sigma.

So if these are so easy to make perfect, somehow only Nikon has cracked the code, though they've done so with a larger and more expensive hunk of glass.

Arguably the much cheaper 105mm f/2.8 macro lens is the "greatest" if you factor in price/performance.
Great lens.

Doesn't really matter. I have no use for either.
This is not about usage envelopes. It's about the glass with the fewest flaws and nothing to do with cost either.

Probably also part of the reason why Nikon made up some special name for their 135mm. They managed to take a product few people normally buy and turn it into a great seller.
They did a lot more than that.

I think those who proclaim the 50/1.8 the greatest do have a point. For the price, it's hard to beat this lens. And if it wasn't for the lens tilt that plagues this lens, and the poor handling, I would tend to agree this is Nikon's "greatest" lens.
This ranking has nothing to do with price. I posted a thread about lenses that over perform for the money, like the stellar 24-120 F4s.

In terms of actual challenge in making it great, the 14-24/2.8 and the 24-70/2.8 are hard to beat, and one of these would probably get my vote. I can't wait to see what Nikon delivers with their next update of the 24-70/2.8.
While I love my pro zooms, they cannot touch the excellence of the better primes, so they don't get a crown! ;-)

This is about optical excellence, not value. The Plena is king.

Robert
 
I agree Lance, it's somewhat of a silly question as it stands.

I'd rather categorize perhaps by focal length groupings. The reason I say this is that it's far, far easier to design a truly great 135mm lens than it is to design a truly great 35mm lens, and it's easier to design a 400/2.8 that tops the resolution charts than, say, a 50. So should we punish an excellent job at an extremely difficult range because optically a decent job at a far easier range produces a better score somewhere? Not sure I have a good answer for that.

There are many reasons, but Etendue is one of the biggest - when we have a lens with a very large angle of view (and then tack on a complex requirement like it being fast), we have a lot more aberrations that need to be controlled (than with a narrow angle lens like a telephoto) - the usual 3rd order ones we're all familiar with, but also the 5th order, and who knows what orders beyond that. So the optimization game becomes quite complex and you will, absolutely, be doing horse trading.

For a narrow angle lens like a 135, nowhere as difficult. So sure, let's take 135mm lenses: Yes, it's a lens that is "easy" for anyone - even a Samyang - to make a very good 135. I don't recall any bad modern 135mm lenses from anyone, but at the same time, there are differences between then that lie in the subtle realm - and that means things well beyond the simplistic view of MTF50 test chart numbers being the sole and primary determinant of lens quality, which is why the Plena would easily top my list. But then things like your 400/2.8 are likely even a bit better.

Now let's take something like the 35/1.2S. It's impossible to design a lens that absolutely aces ALL parameters of image quality (assuming the reader understands it's a lot more than just MTF50 or even MTF itself in optical bench terms), so the designers have to make choices, and when the difficulty is harder, that means the odds that each manufacturer makes different, perhaps even vastly different, trade offs means you'll see more subtle to moderate differences in such an optic.

So do we give the award to a lens that is within a group that is fairly easy to design a really good one, (the 85mm, the 105mm, the 135mm, the 400mm, etc), even if Nikon really does have a class leading example, or do we give it to a lens that is a VASTLY harder design exercise - like a 35/1.2S?

And then it comes to use case, and need, and everything changes again.

So my votes - with the bias I don't own any super telephotos

Wide Range:
  • 14-24/2.8S: That Nikon could produce an ultrawide zoom that can meet and often *beat* ANY F mount Nikon brand G prime within the range is absurd. At 20mm, this thing is so close to even the 20/1.8S prime at F/4 it's not funny. It only loses - and barely loses, at 24mm to the 24/1.8S and Zeiss 25/1.4 at F/5.6, which is again, ridiculous. A knock the ball way out of the park lens
  • 35/1.2S: Nikons best wide angle, by a mile. No, not perfect, see earlier writing why, but that they got this lens insanely sharp in the central zone WHILE preserving OOF transition AND an honest, natural balance of resolution across all spatial frequencies (meaning the lens never looks clinical, reproduces subjects with dimension realistically, and the lens doesn't block up the shadows) and on top of it, has decent bokeh in a focal length where perfect bokeh is impossible, wow, just wow.
Normal Range:
  • Never shot it, but I bet the 58 .95 Noct has to be considered.
  • These two are on the "almost made it" list:
    • 50/1.2S if one is a people shooter, although if one wants to haul this thing for landscape work, it will walk toe to toe with the reference for landscape 50's, the Voigtlander 50/2 Apo Lanthar. But it's strongly tuned for people in portrait distances and early apertures.
    • The 24-70/2.8S zoom, for similar reasons as I gave for the 14-24/2.8S. Can match or beat most F mount primes at 35 and 50mm, which is not bad for a zoom, and it renders well - has many of the same strengths rendering wise of the 35/1.2S but at lessor magnitude, and is a lens that is never clinical, always honest, and I think was designed by a truly world class team.
Mid-Telephoto Range:
  • 85/1.2S
    • to the poster who honestly thinks an 85/1.8S can beat this lens stopped down. Nope. Own both, tens of thousands of frames on both. I absolutely adore the 85/1.8S, and it usually travels with me for size/weight/backpack space reasons. But if I could - or if I think 85mm is the key length for where I'm going, the 85/1.2S comes along. For studio work, even at F/9, even after 10's of thousands of frames with both lenses, I'll *always* pick the 85/1.2S. Always. That's not a knock on the 85/1.8S - an amazing lens for the money, and you do have to spend 85/1.2S money to beat it. But slightly beat it, it does. At every use case I've ever thrown at it. There's more to life than an MTF50 score. And to be honest, while I no longer have the test files after a computer swap out, when I ran both of these through MTFmapper at portrait range, I believe the 85/1.2s came slightly ahead, although it's more a slightly different weighting of resolution at various frequencies which gives the faster lens a bit of an advantage in terms of natural/honest rendering - something you can measure objectively, but you'll never see it in any MTF50 score on any test site, nor will you see it in a manufacturers MTF chart they publish. But that's a topic for another day.
  • 135/1.8 Plena
  • Almost Made it: 105/2.8S MC. I only put it on the "almost" because I can see them maybe doing a 105/1.8S at some point that's a bit more portraiture tuned. But I'm being nitpicky tonight - this lens really is one of the very best 105mm's on the market for a very wide variety of use cases and I love mine.
If it's so easy to make a lens at 135mm as good as the Plena, why did it take 50 years to get to the Plena?

Why is my Sigma ART 135 and previous 135's (including the Zeiss) not on par? They must have been sleeping on those old designs! ;-)

This is about optical excellence and nothing else. Nikon has several candidates. But the Plena is at or near the top, irrespective of design challenges, value or usage envelopes.

Robert
 
I agree Lance, it's somewhat of a silly question as it stands.

I'd rather categorize perhaps by focal length groupings. The reason I say this is that it's far, far easier to design a truly great 135mm lens than it is to design a truly great 35mm lens, and it's easier to design a 400/2.8 that tops the resolution charts than, say, a 50. So should we punish an excellent job at an extremely difficult range because optically a decent job at a far easier range produces a better score somewhere? Not sure I have a good answer for that.

There are many reasons, but Etendue is one of the biggest - when we have a lens with a very large angle of view (and then tack on a complex requirement like it being fast), we have a lot more aberrations that need to be controlled (than with a narrow angle lens like a telephoto) - the usual 3rd order ones we're all familiar with, but also the 5th order, and who knows what orders beyond that. So the optimization game becomes quite complex and you will, absolutely, be doing horse trading.

For a narrow angle lens like a 135, nowhere as difficult. So sure, let's take 135mm lenses: Yes, it's a lens that is "easy" for anyone - even a Samyang - to make a very good 135. I don't recall any bad modern 135mm lenses from anyone, but at the same time, there are differences between then that lie in the subtle realm - and that means things well beyond the simplistic view of MTF50 test chart numbers being the sole and primary determinant of lens quality, which is why the Plena would easily top my list. But then things like your 400/2.8 are likely even a bit better.

Now let's take something like the 35/1.2S. It's impossible to design a lens that absolutely aces ALL parameters of image quality (assuming the reader understands it's a lot more than just MTF50 or even MTF itself in optical bench terms), so the designers have to make choices, and when the difficulty is harder, that means the odds that each manufacturer makes different, perhaps even vastly different, trade offs means you'll see more subtle to moderate differences in such an optic.

So do we give the award to a lens that is within a group that is fairly easy to design a really good one, (the 85mm, the 105mm, the 135mm, the 400mm, etc), even if Nikon really does have a class leading example, or do we give it to a lens that is a VASTLY harder design exercise - like a 35/1.2S?

And then it comes to use case, and need, and everything changes again.

So my votes - with the bias I don't own any super telephotos

Wide Range:
  • 14-24/2.8S: That Nikon could produce an ultrawide zoom that can meet and often *beat* ANY F mount Nikon brand G prime within the range is absurd. At 20mm, this thing is so close to even the 20/1.8S prime at F/4 it's not funny. It only loses - and barely loses, at 24mm to the 24/1.8S and Zeiss 25/1.4 at F/5.6, which is again, ridiculous. A knock the ball way out of the park lens
  • 35/1.2S: Nikons best wide angle, by a mile. No, not perfect, see earlier writing why, but that they got this lens insanely sharp in the central zone WHILE preserving OOF transition AND an honest, natural balance of resolution across all spatial frequencies (meaning the lens never looks clinical, reproduces subjects with dimension realistically, and the lens doesn't block up the shadows) and on top of it, has decent bokeh in a focal length where perfect bokeh is impossible, wow, just wow.
Normal Range:
  • Never shot it, but I bet the 58 .95 Noct has to be considered.
  • These two are on the "almost made it" list:
    • 50/1.2S if one is a people shooter, although if one wants to haul this thing for landscape work, it will walk toe to toe with the reference for landscape 50's, the Voigtlander 50/2 Apo Lanthar. But it's strongly tuned for people in portrait distances and early apertures.
    • The 24-70/2.8S zoom, for similar reasons as I gave for the 14-24/2.8S. Can match or beat most F mount primes at 35 and 50mm, which is not bad for a zoom, and it renders well - has many of the same strengths rendering wise of the 35/1.2S but at lessor magnitude, and is a lens that is never clinical, always honest, and I think was designed by a truly world class team.
Mid-Telephoto Range:
  • 85/1.2S
    • to the poster who honestly thinks an 85/1.8S can beat this lens stopped down. Nope. Own both, tens of thousands of frames on both. I absolutely adore the 85/1.8S, and it usually travels with me for size/weight/backpack space reasons. But if I could - or if I think 85mm is the key length for where I'm going, the 85/1.2S comes along. For studio work, even at F/9, even after 10's of thousands of frames with both lenses, I'll *always* pick the 85/1.2S. Always. That's not a knock on the 85/1.8S - an amazing lens for the money, and you do have to spend 85/1.2S money to beat it. But slightly beat it, it does. At every use case I've ever thrown at it. There's more to life than an MTF50 score. And to be honest, while I no longer have the test files after a computer swap out, when I ran both of these through MTFmapper at portrait range, I believe the 85/1.2s came slightly ahead, although it's more a slightly different weighting of resolution at various frequencies which gives the faster lens a bit of an advantage in terms of natural/honest rendering - something you can measure objectively, but you'll never see it in any MTF50 score on any test site, nor will you see it in a manufacturers MTF chart they publish. But that's a topic for another day.
  • 135/1.8 Plena
  • Almost Made it: 105/2.8S MC. I only put it on the "almost" because I can see them maybe doing a 105/1.8S at some point that's a bit more portraiture tuned. But I'm being nitpicky tonight - this lens really is one of the very best 105mm's on the market for a very wide variety of use cases and I love mine.
If it's so easy to make a lens at 135mm as good as the Plena, why did it take 50 years to get to the Plena?

Why is my Sigma ART 135 and previous 135's (including the Zeiss) not on par? They must have been sleeping on those old designs! ;-)

This is about optical excellence and nothing else. Nikon has several candidates. But the Plena is at or near the top, irrespective of design challenges, value or usage envelopes.

Robert
Simple. The Z mount made it possible to make the Plena without being a huge behemoth. The throat was narrower on the F mount and thus making a 135 f1.8 with round bokeh balls to the edge would have been nigh impossible. The Z mount has freed up the design abilities.
 
I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
I get what you are trying to say, but if you are talking simply about the best optical performance, that can mean different things to different people.

Just some thoughts. I would love it if AnotherMike jumps in as I am sure he can explain it way better than I.

Lenses are designed with particular constraints in mind like price, size and weight etc. Always those about constraints when we are judging a lens as it is very important to the discussion. The question about say the 58 f0.95 Noct is, "why so big, heavy and expensive?" Well, the parameters that Nikon set out for this lens was basically "perfection", but even then, size, weight and price were a consideration, they had a limit to these parameters. The lens could have been even better but would have been unusably large. The reason it is MF is simply because to make it AF it would have been even larger due to the fact that the AF elements would have had to be differently placed and thus compromised some of the parameters of the lens. Cost would have even been more.

Test criteria may mean that a Nikon lens doesn't test quite as well as a Sony, Canon or 3rd party, say. You can make a lens test brilliantly but look mediocre as far as actual IQ. So, tests are an objective way to test a lens, but much of what we like is also subjective - think bokeh and those sorts of parameters.

What is the purpose of a particular lens's performance requirement? Do we want a portrait lens to be super sharp wide open and up to say f4 when taking portraits and at portrait distance? We may want them to be slightly less sharp so as to flatter the models face but then sharpen up at f4+ for more general photos like landscapes. Does it need to be sharp across the frame at portrait distance? Can it be designed so as to be sharper at longer distance? Again, all these things have to be compromised to achieve a result that satisfies the market at the price, size and weight level.

A lens like the 24-70 f2.8 may have been designed as best they can within the restraints of price, size and weight to be super sharp at landscape focal lengths say 24-50mm, and then not need to be at portrait focal lengths like 70mm wide open, thus a very versatile lens whilst giving excellent bokeh.

Lets look at the exotic tele lenses, 400TC and 600TC. They are obviously almost a no-compromise lens, but even they are constrained by price, size and weight etc. Think about the placement of the elements etc in these modern long tele lenses, they have been designed to have the weight more towards the camera for easier more balanced handling. This means more exotic elements etc thus pushing up prices but hopefully not impacting overall IQ and sharpness at distances where they deem the lens to be used most at. In other words, there will be a sweet spot of sharpness at a certain camera to subject distance range where it will be at it's optimum but mya drop off slightly either side of that range. It will be minor at best but it is going to be there. It is not just constrained to these two lenses, the 400 f4.5, 600 PF, 800 PF will also be designed to fit the parameters that suit their focal length and subject type. AF speed, AF elements etc, also go into this price, size and weight envelope.

You buy a lens for the parameters that best suit the application and the price envelope that you can afford. With that in mind, I think that this is highly subjective. Yes, the 135 f1.8 Plena is an amazing lens, but is it the best? At 135mm it probably is, it certainly is at that focal length for me. However, at 85mm, the Z 85 f1.2 is.
Thats not fully correct. If you need faster than F2.8, the 85mm F1.2 is the king. If you are shooting at F2.8 or larger, the Nikon 85mm F1.8S is actually sharper.
But only if sharpness is the only aspect where the 85 f1.8 beats the 85 f1.2. In my book, the 85 f1.2 is still superior for overall IQ. Why everyone just concentrates on absolute sharpness is beyond me. Yes, sharpness is good in most situations but it's not everything.
Only spend 3x the price and buy the 85 F1.2 if you are going to be shooting faster than F2.8 and you can deal with the big size/weight. If you are shooting at F2.8- F4.0-F5.6 etc, the 85 F1.8S is the sharper/better lens and a lot lighter and smaller and fully sealed against the weather as well... All the reviews confirm this. More $$ doesn't always buy the better lens.
These are always compromises we make and so did Nikon when designing and making these lenses and others. That was the exact reasoning behind my post, it isn't simple and there are many aspects as to what makes a lens right for you or me. Price, size and weight are the main factors driving lens design and lens decisions in a purchase. I would also disagree that the 85 f1.8 is the better lens at f2.8-5.6, that is a subjective opinion and sharpness cannot be the only metric used, there are many more important aspects, the sharpness difference being marginal at best. Having the more exotic glass would also assist with other aspects of lens performance across the range of apertures and camera to subject distances etc. Also, where does it say the 85 f1.8 is better sealed against the weather than the 85 f1.2? Why would I buy an f1.8 version when I can afford the f1.2, the size and weight doesn't bother me, and I love shooting at f1.2 for the much better bokeh. I owned both at the same time, I sold the f1.8 version as the f1.2 is the better lens for my use.

Generally speaking, a lens costing more does equal a better lens if you disregard price, weight and size as it is more than likely better corrected against most aberrations simply because there is more design freedom. More exotic glass can be used and the larger size and weight means they can design to rid the lens of more aberrations etc. The lower cost lens has many more design constraints simply because it is made down to a price. What you are talking about is value for money, not what is actually a better lens overall.
At 600mm, my 600TC is, but if I want to go light and small, the 600PF is. As a zoom in the midranges, the 24-70 f2.8S is. As a super wide angle zoom, the 14-24 f2.8 is. at a short zoom, the 70-200 f2.8 VR S is stupidly sharp wide open and is the best. At 35mm, the 35 f1.2 is.
Yes, all great choices there.
 
I agree Lance, it's somewhat of a silly question as it stands.

I'd rather categorize perhaps by focal length groupings. The reason I say this is that it's far, far easier to design a truly great 135mm lens than it is to design a truly great 35mm lens, and it's easier to design a 400/2.8 that tops the resolution charts than, say, a 50. So should we punish an excellent job at an extremely difficult range because optically a decent job at a far easier range produces a better score somewhere? Not sure I have a good answer for that.

There are many reasons, but Etendue is one of the biggest - when we have a lens with a very large angle of view (and then tack on a complex requirement like it being fast), we have a lot more aberrations that need to be controlled (than with a narrow angle lens like a telephoto) - the usual 3rd order ones we're all familiar with, but also the 5th order, and who knows what orders beyond that. So the optimization game becomes quite complex and you will, absolutely, be doing horse trading.

For a narrow angle lens like a 135, nowhere as difficult. So sure, let's take 135mm lenses: Yes, it's a lens that is "easy" for anyone - even a Samyang - to make a very good 135. I don't recall any bad modern 135mm lenses from anyone, but at the same time, there are differences between then that lie in the subtle realm - and that means things well beyond the simplistic view of MTF50 test chart numbers being the sole and primary determinant of lens quality, which is why the Plena would easily top my list. But then things like your 400/2.8 are likely even a bit better.

Now let's take something like the 35/1.2S. It's impossible to design a lens that absolutely aces ALL parameters of image quality (assuming the reader understands it's a lot more than just MTF50 or even MTF itself in optical bench terms), so the designers have to make choices, and when the difficulty is harder, that means the odds that each manufacturer makes different, perhaps even vastly different, trade offs means you'll see more subtle to moderate differences in such an optic.

So do we give the award to a lens that is within a group that is fairly easy to design a really good one, (the 85mm, the 105mm, the 135mm, the 400mm, etc), even if Nikon really does have a class leading example, or do we give it to a lens that is a VASTLY harder design exercise - like a 35/1.2S?

And then it comes to use case, and need, and everything changes again.

So my votes - with the bias I don't own any super telephotos

Wide Range:
  • 14-24/2.8S: That Nikon could produce an ultrawide zoom that can meet and often *beat* ANY F mount Nikon brand G prime within the range is absurd. At 20mm, this thing is so close to even the 20/1.8S prime at F/4 it's not funny. It only loses - and barely loses, at 24mm to the 24/1.8S and Zeiss 25/1.4 at F/5.6, which is again, ridiculous. A knock the ball way out of the park lens
  • 35/1.2S: Nikons best wide angle, by a mile. No, not perfect, see earlier writing why, but that they got this lens insanely sharp in the central zone WHILE preserving OOF transition AND an honest, natural balance of resolution across all spatial frequencies (meaning the lens never looks clinical, reproduces subjects with dimension realistically, and the lens doesn't block up the shadows) and on top of it, has decent bokeh in a focal length where perfect bokeh is impossible, wow, just wow.
Normal Range:
  • Never shot it, but I bet the 58 .95 Noct has to be considered.
  • These two are on the "almost made it" list:
    • 50/1.2S if one is a people shooter, although if one wants to haul this thing for landscape work, it will walk toe to toe with the reference for landscape 50's, the Voigtlander 50/2 Apo Lanthar. But it's strongly tuned for people in portrait distances and early apertures.
    • The 24-70/2.8S zoom, for similar reasons as I gave for the 14-24/2.8S. Can match or beat most F mount primes at 35 and 50mm, which is not bad for a zoom, and it renders well - has many of the same strengths rendering wise of the 35/1.2S but at lessor magnitude, and is a lens that is never clinical, always honest, and I think was designed by a truly world class team.
Mid-Telephoto Range:
  • 85/1.2S
    • to the poster who honestly thinks an 85/1.8S can beat this lens stopped down. Nope. Own both, tens of thousands of frames on both. I absolutely adore the 85/1.8S, and it usually travels with me for size/weight/backpack space reasons. But if I could - or if I think 85mm is the key length for where I'm going, the 85/1.2S comes along. For studio work, even at F/9, even after 10's of thousands of frames with both lenses, I'll *always* pick the 85/1.2S. Always. That's not a knock on the 85/1.8S - an amazing lens for the money, and you do have to spend 85/1.2S money to beat it. But slightly beat it, it does. At every use case I've ever thrown at it. There's more to life than an MTF50 score. And to be honest, while I no longer have the test files after a computer swap out, when I ran both of these through MTFmapper at portrait range, I believe the 85/1.2s came slightly ahead, although it's more a slightly different weighting of resolution at various frequencies which gives the faster lens a bit of an advantage in terms of natural/honest rendering - something you can measure objectively, but you'll never see it in any MTF50 score on any test site, nor will you see it in a manufacturers MTF chart they publish. But that's a topic for another day.
  • 135/1.8 Plena
  • Almost Made it: 105/2.8S MC. I only put it on the "almost" because I can see them maybe doing a 105/1.8S at some point that's a bit more portraiture tuned. But I'm being nitpicky tonight - this lens really is one of the very best 105mm's on the market for a very wide variety of use cases and I love mine.
Excellent post as usual, Mike. I am glad you added your expertise. :-)
 
The criteria I am using is how far is the distance between a Nikkor version of a lens vs a lens from any other brand.

If you compare the Noct 58mm f0.95 with any other lens with similar aperture and focal length of 50-58mm - the distance between the Noct and other examples is huge.

For the other lenses in the lineup, this is not so clear cut.
Believe it or not the Nikon does have a peer. The Leica M50 f0.95. Yes, it’s even more expensive and renders differently. :)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...11_602_50mm_f_0_95_Noctilux_M_Aspherical.html
The performance is miles apart - this is what I meant that the Noct puts a lot of distance between itself and any other 0.95 lens in the 50-58mm focal range.

From analyzing the patent design I can tell you that the Noct's design at 0.95 is better than most lenses at f1.2 or f1.4.
 
Precisely. The mount parameters had a large part in why the Plena exists. Someone likely could have done a design similar to the Plena in the older mounts, but it might have ended up being huge and expensive to the point there wouldn't have been a point.

I believe Nikon has even stated as such.
 
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The criteria I am using is how far is the distance between a Nikkor version of a lens vs a lens from any other brand.

If you compare the Noct 58mm f0.95 with any other lens with similar aperture and focal length of 50-58mm - the distance between the Noct and other examples is huge.

For the other lenses in the lineup, this is not so clear cut.
Believe it or not the Nikon does have a peer. The Leica M50 f0.95. Yes, it’s even more expensive and renders differently. :)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...11_602_50mm_f_0_95_Noctilux_M_Aspherical.html
The performance is miles apart - this is what I meant that the Noct puts a lot of distance between itself and any other 0.95 lens in the 50-58mm focal range.

From analyzing the patent design I can tell you that the Noct's design at 0.95 is better than most lenses at f1.2 or f1.4.
It’s too bad design specs don’t make images. 😂

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... https://www.flickr.com/photos/198581502@N02/
 
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The criteria I am using is how far is the distance between a Nikkor version of a lens vs a lens from any other brand.

If you compare the Noct 58mm f0.95 with any other lens with similar aperture and focal length of 50-58mm - the distance between the Noct and other examples is huge.

For the other lenses in the lineup, this is not so clear cut.
Believe it or not the Nikon does have a peer. The Leica M50 f0.95. Yes, it’s even more expensive and renders differently. :)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...11_602_50mm_f_0_95_Noctilux_M_Aspherical.html
The performance is miles apart - this is what I meant that the Noct puts a lot of distance between itself and any other 0.95 lens in the 50-58mm focal range.

From analyzing the patent design I can tell you that the Noct's design at 0.95 is better than most lenses at f1.2 or f1.4.
It’s too bad design specs don’t make images. 😂
Sure, but if you were comparing the Noct with the Noctilux, well then the Noct is a far superior lens, but neither lens is practical.
 
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The criteria I am using is how far is the distance between a Nikkor version of a lens vs a lens from any other brand.

If you compare the Noct 58mm f0.95 with any other lens with similar aperture and focal length of 50-58mm - the distance between the Noct and other examples is huge.

For the other lenses in the lineup, this is not so clear cut.
Believe it or not the Nikon does have a peer. The Leica M50 f0.95. Yes, it’s even more expensive and renders differently. :)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/prod...11_602_50mm_f_0_95_Noctilux_M_Aspherical.html
The performance is miles apart - this is what I meant that the Noct puts a lot of distance between itself and any other 0.95 lens in the 50-58mm focal range.

From analyzing the patent design I can tell you that the Noct's design at 0.95 is better than most lenses at f1.2 or f1.4.
It’s too bad design specs don’t make images. 😂
Sure, but if you were comparing the Noct with the Noctilux, well then the Noct is a far superior lens, but neither lens is practical.
I'm not saying the Noct isn't a very special lens, it is. But claiming one is "miles" better than the other.... well, I think it depends on what you expect in your images. There are people that would say the Noct is cold and clinical and the Noctilux has a beautiful character to it. MTF charts don't make for a great lens or great photos.

Do you have actual experience with both? Don't worry, neither do I but I've looked at plenty of examples taken with both and can see the value of each.

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... https://www.flickr.com/photos/198581502@N02/
 
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I agree Lance, it's somewhat of a silly question as it stands.

I'd rather categorize perhaps by focal length groupings. The reason I say this is that it's far, far easier to design a truly great 135mm lens than it is to design a truly great 35mm lens, and it's easier to design a 400/2.8 that tops the resolution charts than, say, a 50. So should we punish an excellent job at an extremely difficult range because optically a decent job at a far easier range produces a better score somewhere? Not sure I have a good answer for that.

There are many reasons, but Etendue is one of the biggest - when we have a lens with a very large angle of view (and then tack on a complex requirement like it being fast), we have a lot more aberrations that need to be controlled (than with a narrow angle lens like a telephoto) - the usual 3rd order ones we're all familiar with, but also the 5th order, and who knows what orders beyond that. So the optimization game becomes quite complex and you will, absolutely, be doing horse trading.

For a narrow angle lens like a 135, nowhere as difficult. So sure, let's take 135mm lenses: Yes, it's a lens that is "easy" for anyone - even a Samyang - to make a very good 135. I don't recall any bad modern 135mm lenses from anyone, but at the same time, there are differences between then that lie in the subtle realm - and that means things well beyond the simplistic view of MTF50 test chart numbers being the sole and primary determinant of lens quality, which is why the Plena would easily top my list. But then things like your 400/2.8 are likely even a bit better.

Now let's take something like the 35/1.2S. It's impossible to design a lens that absolutely aces ALL parameters of image quality (assuming the reader understands it's a lot more than just MTF50 or even MTF itself in optical bench terms), so the designers have to make choices, and when the difficulty is harder, that means the odds that each manufacturer makes different, perhaps even vastly different, trade offs means you'll see more subtle to moderate differences in such an optic.

So do we give the award to a lens that is within a group that is fairly easy to design a really good one, (the 85mm, the 105mm, the 135mm, the 400mm, etc), even if Nikon really does have a class leading example, or do we give it to a lens that is a VASTLY harder design exercise - like a 35/1.2S?

And then it comes to use case, and need, and everything changes again.

So my votes - with the bias I don't own any super telephotos

Wide Range:
  • 14-24/2.8S: That Nikon could produce an ultrawide zoom that can meet and often *beat* ANY F mount Nikon brand G prime within the range is absurd. At 20mm, this thing is so close to even the 20/1.8S prime at F/4 it's not funny. It only loses - and barely loses, at 24mm to the 24/1.8S and Zeiss 25/1.4 at F/5.6, which is again, ridiculous. A knock the ball way out of the park lens
  • 35/1.2S: Nikons best wide angle, by a mile. No, not perfect, see earlier writing why, but that they got this lens insanely sharp in the central zone WHILE preserving OOF transition AND an honest, natural balance of resolution across all spatial frequencies (meaning the lens never looks clinical, reproduces subjects with dimension realistically, and the lens doesn't block up the shadows) and on top of it, has decent bokeh in a focal length where perfect bokeh is impossible, wow, just wow.
Normal Range:
  • Never shot it, but I bet the 58 .95 Noct has to be considered.
  • These two are on the "almost made it" list:
    • 50/1.2S if one is a people shooter, although if one wants to haul this thing for landscape work, it will walk toe to toe with the reference for landscape 50's, the Voigtlander 50/2 Apo Lanthar. But it's strongly tuned for people in portrait distances and early apertures.
    • The 24-70/2.8S zoom, for similar reasons as I gave for the 14-24/2.8S. Can match or beat most F mount primes at 35 and 50mm, which is not bad for a zoom, and it renders well - has many of the same strengths rendering wise of the 35/1.2S but at lessor magnitude, and is a lens that is never clinical, always honest, and I think was designed by a truly world class team.
Mid-Telephoto Range:
  • 85/1.2S
    • to the poster who honestly thinks an 85/1.8S can beat this lens stopped down. Nope. Own both, tens of thousands of frames on both. I absolutely adore the 85/1.8S, and it usually travels with me for size/weight/backpack space reasons. But if I could - or if I think 85mm is the key length for where I'm going, the 85/1.2S comes along. For studio work, even at F/9, even after 10's of thousands of frames with both lenses, I'll *always* pick the 85/1.2S. Always. That's not a knock on the 85/1.8S - an amazing lens for the money, and you do have to spend 85/1.2S money to beat it. But slightly beat it, it does. At every use case I've ever thrown at it. There's more to life than an MTF50 score. And to be honest, while I no longer have the test files after a computer swap out, when I ran both of these through MTFmapper at portrait range, I believe the 85/1.2s came slightly ahead, although it's more a slightly different weighting of resolution at various frequencies which gives the faster lens a bit of an advantage in terms of natural/honest rendering - something you can measure objectively, but you'll never see it in any MTF50 score on any test site, nor will you see it in a manufacturers MTF chart they publish. But that's a topic for another day.
  • 135/1.8 Plena
  • Almost Made it: 105/2.8S MC. I only put it on the "almost" because I can see them maybe doing a 105/1.8S at some point that's a bit more portraiture tuned. But I'm being nitpicky tonight - this lens really is one of the very best 105mm's on the market for a very wide variety of use cases and I love mine.
Very useful information; impressive.

Thanks!
 
Was the Plena and "easy design?"

Of course not.

I happen to know that the Plena was a massive and expensive R&D venture for Nikon. With a good group of excellent 135's already on the market, it took considerable work to step up and do better.

So while the Sony 135 or Sigma 135 ART approached extreme excellence, it's the Plena that manages to teeter on the fulcrum of perfection. It's another level of art and engineering and it's preposterous to suggest that it was somehow an "easy" effort.

Optical design is an art and an extremely challenging one at the highest levels.

Robert
 
I'm not talking about most useful or bang for the buck. I'm talking about optical perfection against the challenge of making a superb optic.

My vote: The Nikon 135mm 1.8 Plena

This is Nikon's finest lens irrespective of price. It bests anything else in its class beyond any doubt. There are other superb lenses at 135mm, but the Plena is a work of art and manages to best them all, including some far more expensive models.

You may have little to no use for a 135mm. But that's not the point of crowing this king. We're talking optical perfection with really no room for significant improvement.

All hail the king!

Robert
I have used the 600mm TC, and it’s IQ blew me away, maybe to outer space haha…

I have read that the images from plena actually have less contrast compared to 50mm f1.2s and 85mm f1.2s, so I’m wondering, for those who have shot with both, whether this group of lenses would have the same kinda of IQ as the 600mm TC
 
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