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Z50ii Shutter Speed Capped.
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That's with electronic front curtain shutter.
https://onlinemanual.nikonimglib.com/z50II/en/09-05-26.html
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Yup. Change your shutter settings to be either Mechanical or Auto
AlainCh2
Senior Member
OOOOuuuuufffffff !!
This thread shocked me HARD when I read the title!!
What did I miss again?
That was the question running in my damaged tech brain side ...
... while the other internal and emotional brain side was happy...
..... "I have a reason to keep running the Z30!"
( and Tuesday I return the Z52DX )
PS:
I didn't miss anything.I never use e-Shutter
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And of course, I couldn't switch to Mechanical Shutter because I am using a lens on this list:
When the following lenses are mounted on Z series cameras, the 'Mechanical Shutter' option will be unavailable in the 'Shutter Type' menu option.
This specification is designed to mitigate mechanical vibration effects that occur when shooting at slower shutter speeds.
Applicable Lenses
• NIKKOR Z DX 12-28mm f/3.5-5.6 PZ VR
• NIKKOR Z DX 16-50mm f/3.5-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z DX 18-140mm f/3.5-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z DX 50-250mmf/4.5-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z MC 105mm f/2.8 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 24-120mm f/4 S
• NIKKOR Z 28-400mm f/4-8 VR
• NIKKOR Z 70-180mm f/2.8
• NIKKOR Z 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 180-600mm f/5.6-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z 85mm f/1.2 S
• NIKKOR Z 135mm f/1.8 S Plena
• NIKKOR Z 400mm f/2.8 TC VR S
• NIKKOR Z 400mm f/4.5 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 600mm f/4 TC VR S
• NIKKOR Z 600mm f/6.3 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 800mm f/6.3 VR S
When the following lenses are mounted on Z series cameras, the 'Mechanical Shutter' option will be unavailable in the 'Shutter Type' menu option.
This specification is designed to mitigate mechanical vibration effects that occur when shooting at slower shutter speeds.
Applicable Lenses
• NIKKOR Z DX 12-28mm f/3.5-5.6 PZ VR
• NIKKOR Z DX 16-50mm f/3.5-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z DX 18-140mm f/3.5-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z DX 50-250mmf/4.5-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z MC 105mm f/2.8 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 24-120mm f/4 S
• NIKKOR Z 28-400mm f/4-8 VR
• NIKKOR Z 70-180mm f/2.8
• NIKKOR Z 100-400mm f/4.5-5.6 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 180-600mm f/5.6-6.3 VR
• NIKKOR Z 85mm f/1.2 S
• NIKKOR Z 135mm f/1.8 S Plena
• NIKKOR Z 400mm f/2.8 TC VR S
• NIKKOR Z 400mm f/4.5 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 600mm f/4 TC VR S
• NIKKOR Z 600mm f/6.3 VR S
• NIKKOR Z 800mm f/6.3 VR S
AlainCh2
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I use Mech Shutter on Z30 & Zf with these lenses.
( what do I miss ? )
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Photography ... It is about how that thing looks when photographed..
( Avoid boring shots )
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Don't send your Z50 ii back! I think you zeroed in on the work "electronic", but read this:OOOOuuuuufffffff !!
This thread shocked me HARD when I read the title!!
What did I miss again?
That was the question running in my damaged tech brain side ...
... while the other internal and emotional brain side was happy...
..... "I have a reason to keep running the Z30!"
( and Tuesday I return the Z52DX )
PS:
I never use e-Shutter
Electronic Front Curtain is not an e-shutter. Just set the shutter to Auto, and you'll be fine for all shutter speeds. (or use electronic shutter if that's what you want in certain situations, like no-noise shooting.)
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Mechanical shutter:
The sensor is open, for viewing the scene while shooting. Press the shutter and:
the shutter closes. the sensor is reset.
The shutter opens to start the exposure.
The shutter closes to finish the exposure. It then reopens to view the scene again.
The max shutter speed is 1/8000 second.
Note, Nikon grays out this Mechanical shutter for certain lenses, due to vibration interactions with the lens at certain shutter speeds. Just leave the shutter on Auto, and the lenses work correctly.
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Electronic front curtain:
The shutter stays open. The sensor itself is reset to start the exposure.
The shutter closes to finish the exposure. Then reopens to view the scene again.
The shutter speed max is 1/2000 with this EFCS. (there's some tech reasons why it's a problem at shorter shutter speeds) But I never select EFCS, I use Auto which works with all shutter speeds, up to the max 1/8000.
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Auto:
Just leave the camera on Auto, unless you have a good reason to pick something else.
The camera uses electronic front curtain where it's helpful, up to about 1/250 second. It avoids camera blur from the shutter closing and opening to start the exposure. At faster shutter speeds, full mechanical is fine, and that's what it uses, up to the Z50 ii max 1/8000.
I hear a double Snap-Snap sound with full mechanical, and just a single Snap sound with EFCS.
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(Electronic shutter: the mechanical shutter isn't used. the sensor does all the work,just like it does in video.) The max shutter speed is 1/8000.
The electronic shutter has some good advantages with my Z6 iii, including 1/16000 max shutter. But there are somewhat more rolling shutter effects with the Z50 ii, but the Z50 ii is better with rolling shutter than the older Z6 and Z7 series cameras.
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That is every DX lens Nikon makes except for the 24 f/1.7 prime.
1000DTL
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The Z50ii has a max mechanical shutter speed of 1/4000 not 1/8000.Don't send your Z50 ii back! I think you zeroed in on the work "electronic", but read this:OOOOuuuuufffffff !!
This thread shocked me HARD when I read the title!!
What did I miss again?
That was the question running in my damaged tech brain side ...
... while the other internal and emotional brain side was happy...
..... "I have a reason to keep running the Z30!"
( and Tuesday I return the Z52DX )
PS:
I never use e-Shutter
Electronic Front Curtain is not an e-shutter. Just set the shutter to Auto, and you'll be fine for all shutter speeds. (or use electronic shutter if that's what you want in certain situations, like no-noise shooting.)
~~~
Mechanical shutter:
The sensor is open, for viewing the scene while shooting. Press the shutter and:
the shutter closes. the sensor is reset.
The shutter opens to start the exposure.
The shutter closes to finish the exposure. It then reopens to view the scene again.
The max shutter speed is 1/8000 second.
Note, Nikon grays out this Mechanical shutter for certain lenses, due to vibration interactions with the lens at certain shutter speeds. Just leave the shutter on Auto, and the lenses work correctly.
~~~
Electronic front curtain:
The shutter stays open. The sensor itself is reset to start the exposure.
The shutter closes to finish the exposure. Then reopens to view the scene again.
The shutter speed max is 1/2000 with this EFCS. (there's some tech reasons why it's a problem at shorter shutter speeds) But I never select EFCS, I use Auto which works with all shutter speeds, up to the max 1/8000.
~~~
Auto:
Just leave the camera on Auto, unless you have a good reason to pick something else.
The camera uses electronic front curtain where it's helpful, up to about 1/250 second. It avoids camera blur from the shutter closing and opening to start the exposure. At faster shutter speeds, full mechanical is fine, and that's what it uses, up to the Z50 ii max 1/8000.
I hear a double Snap-Snap sound with full mechanical, and just a single Snap sound with EFCS.
~~~
(Electronic shutter: the mechanical shutter isn't used. the sensor does all the work,just like it does in video.) The max shutter speed is 1/8000.
The electronic shutter has some good advantages with my Z6 iii, including 1/16000 max shutter. But there are somewhat more rolling shutter effects with the Z50 ii, but the Z50 ii is better with rolling shutter than the older Z6 and Z7 series cameras.
ghostfox_1
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Switch to auto. Problem solved.
OK, this is effing confusing. Indeed, setting d6 to auto allows shutter speeds above 1/2000 to be used, but what type of shutter is being used for those higher speeds?
The mechanical shutter option for d6 is NOT available with any of the above lenses.
So there is a dissonance here:
Is Nikon saying that the Z50ii ALWAYS uses EFCS, even for shutter speeds above 1/2000?
But it does not permit you to force EFCS use for all shutter speeds - it limits SS at 1/2000 when d6 is set to EFCS.
The problem zone for mechanical shutter is 1/250 and below.
This makes no sense. Even the 3rd party guides don't say anything about this logical dissonance.
PLShutterbug
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The discussion isn’t about e-shutter, but electronic first-curtain shutter. There is a huge difference between the two.OOOOuuuuufffffff !!
This thread shocked me HARD when I read the title!!
What did I miss again?
That was the question running in my damaged tech brain side ...
... while the other internal and emotional brain side was happy...
..... "I have a reason to keep running the Z30!"
( and Tuesday I return the Z52DX )
PS:
I never use e-Shutter
PLShutterbug
Veteran Member
The setting “mechanical shutter only” is not available for those lenses. That is not the same as “you may not use mechanical shutter” for those lenses.
No.
Right. No Nikon camera allows EFCS above 1/2000 sec.
There is no dissonance. You just don’t understand what the different modes mean.
In auto, electronic first-curtain shutter is used for slower speeds where shutter shock is more likely to cause blur, and below the limit of the camera sensor to capture the beginning of the shot. Above those slower speeds, all-mechanical shutter takes over to the minimum shutter speed the mechanical shutter can go. For the Z50/ii that minimum speed is 1/4000s.
This is not anything to obsess about or even get excited about. Set the camera to auto shutter and go take pictures.
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I figured it was just really poor language. I know that EFCS is used at slower shutter speeds - definitely below 1/250 where shutter shock vibrations are the worst. Custom setting d6 allows the user to choose a shutter type for ALL shutter speeds, within the limits of each type, instead of allowing the camera to choose with the default AUTO setting.
So back to my original question about what does this mean in practice? As you've noted, it's simple:
- in auto, faster than the EFCS minimum SS (1/2000), the shutter is mechanical; slower than the EFCS minimum, the camera chooses.
- If EFCS is selected for d6, the shutter speed can't be faster than 1/2000, hence the OP's observation that it limits.
- For many of the lenses that will be mounted on the z50ii, you can't force mechanical shutter with d6 so that option is greyed out if said lenses are mounted.
It's important to understand one's tools. If you just "go take pictures", you'll get pictures but also, in some case, surprised. Understanding ahead of time what will happen is a good thing.
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AlainCh2
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Thanks for this great explanation!!!Don't send your Z50 ii back! I think you zeroed in on the work "electronic", but read this:OOOOuuuuufffffff !!
This thread shocked me HARD when I read the title!!
What did I miss again?
That was the question running in my damaged tech brain side ...
... while the other internal and emotional brain side was happy...
..... "I have a reason to keep running the Z30!"
( and Tuesday I return the Z52DX )
PS:
I never use e-Shutter
Electronic Front Curtain is not an e-shutter. Just set the shutter to Auto, and you'll be fine for all shutter speeds. (or use electronic shutter if that's what you want in certain situations, like no-noise shooting.)
~~~
Mechanical shutter:
The sensor is open, for viewing the scene while shooting. Press the shutter and:
the shutter closes. the sensor is reset.
The shutter opens to start the exposure.
The shutter closes to finish the exposure. It then reopens to view the scene again.
The max shutter speed is 1/8000 second.
Note, Nikon grays out this Mechanical shutter for certain lenses, due to vibration interactions with the lens at certain shutter speeds. Just leave the shutter on Auto, and the lenses work correctly.
~~~
Electronic front curtain:
The shutter stays open. The sensor itself is reset to start the exposure.
The shutter closes to finish
...
My Z30 is set in M mode I never changed that, but by itself, it switches to E when needed.
I checked and tested that after the last post :-O
For me the Z50II is an "incognito" venture,
I love shooting the Z30 so much, I'm afraid to be biased against it.
In any situation, I do think the ZII should be a better companion siding the Zf.
And for birds, it should be the solution ... provided I can find birds!
.... we will see ...
( The future usually has a lot of surprizes, it's a pity they aren't all good )
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The Silent Shutter mode gives me 1/4000 without noticeable rolling shutter when shooting flying birds.
sirhawkeye64
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EFCS (and possibly the ES too) is capped at 1/2000s. Switch back to Mechanical shutter or Auto (let the camera decide, if you have that option).
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monte12345
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Based on Kenny08's list Nikon has blocked the use of a mechanical shutter on this camera. For a reason that is well beyond nit picking. A much simpler and vastly more useful approach would be to limit the shutter to front curtain only for shutter setting below 1/60 second or so. I will also note that prior to VR we never had any limiting factors on the shutters at all. If you wanted to minimize vibration you locked the mirror up and used a tripod, the shutter was never considered as a significant source of vibration.
PLShutterbug
Veteran Member
I don't know about that ...
Check this out. Taken less than two minutes ago with my Z50ii, Nikkor Z 28-400mm, at 1/4000 second.
No, Nikon has not blocked the use of a mechanical shutter on this camera.
Yes, I know it's not a great image. It's a test.
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