Pen-F vs OM-1 II

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Nothing earth-shattering here. Just thought I would share my experience.

I had been thinking about this purchase for a while:


I promised myself that I would only buy a new camera after I got rid of my existing cameras. It took me too long to finally pull the trigger. That finally happened a week ago when I sold two Pen-F bodies and a Panasonic GF6, and purchased a new OM-1 Mark II.

As a long-time Pen-F user, these are my thoughts on the OM-1 II.

1. The IBIS is unbelievable. I always thought the IBIS in the Pen-F was amazing, but the OM-1 is on another level. To me it feels like the difference between the IBIS on the OM-1 and the Pen-F is like the difference between the IBIS on the Pen-f and any other camera without IBIS. I was out at night taking shots at 150mm focal length at slow shutter speeds down to 1/5 of a second and they look sharp on my computer monitor.

2. I understand what people were complaining about with the OM-1 S-AF in low light. I can't compare side-by-side, but it doesn't feel much better than the Pen-F in this regard. Trying to focus on something with low contrast is difficult. I have no problem with this though as it is what I am used to.

3. The grip helps a lot. I had the ECG-4 on my Pen-F and also tried a beefier grip from another brand, but my right hand and fingers would tire holding the camera, especially with any heavier lens. I could walk for an hour holding the OM-1 without feeling much fatigue in my hand. My hands are below average in size, but I think that I prefer the grip of my father's Nikon Z6II. A very minor issue though.

4. The OLED viewfinder is nicer than the one of the Pen-F, but I like the placement of the viewfinder on the Pen-F better. It is more comfortable holding the Pen-F to my face. The sensor to enable or disable the viewfinder on the OM-1 is a little more resistant to stray light than the one on the Pen-F, which is a plus. I don't find that the enhanced resolution really adds anything to my ability to take photos. In fact, when focus peaking it can make it more difficult to see the brightly colored pixels. The dealbreaker for me even considering an EM-1 III was the LCD viewfinder, so I can see the OLED viewfinder being more of an upgrade if you have that camera.

5. The ergonomics of using the camera are ok. I still need more time to get used to it. I had the Pen-F for over 6 years and I've only had the OM-1 for a week. The newer menu is good, but I didn't have many issues with the older style menu. I guess I was just accustomed to using it. The newer menu does let you go through things a little bit faster. I immediately noticed that some options from the Pen-F menu were taken away, but they were probably just made the default or don't really matter much anyway. The new features added are great and faster to access and change.

6. C-AF and subject detection really stand out. C-AF is so good that I could probably just use it instead of S-AF. C-AF on the Pen-F was literally unusable for me. C-AF is why I had to switch from the Pen-F. Subject detection works pretty well, but I have only tried it on people and two and four wheeled vehicles. Eye detection always selects the nearest eye. My hit rate is not particularly high, but like I said, I need to gohrough the entire manual and test more things out. Even so, I am very happy that I can finally photograph moving subjects again after having sold my Canon M50.



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Hello!
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Nothing earth-shattering here. Just thought I would share my experience.

I had been thinking about this purchase for a while:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4768068

I promised myself that I would only buy a new camera after I got rid of my existing cameras. It took me too long to finally pull the trigger. That finally happened a week ago when I sold two Pen-F bodies and a Panasonic GF6, and purchased a new OM-1 Mark II.

As a long-time Pen-F user, these are my thoughts on the OM-1 II.

1. The IBIS is unbelievable. I always thought the IBIS in the Pen-F was amazing, but the OM-1 is on another level. To me it feels like the difference between the IBIS on the OM-1 and the Pen-F is like the difference between the IBIS on the Pen-f and any other camera without IBIS. I was out at night taking shots at 150mm focal length at slow shutter speeds down to 1/5 of a second and they look sharp on my computer monitor.

2. I understand what people were complaining about with the OM-1 S-AF in low light. I can't compare side-by-side, but it doesn't feel much better than the Pen-F in this regard. Trying to focus on something with low contrast is difficult. I have no problem with this though as it is what I am used to.
Pro tip: quit using S-AF. Those days are gone. Use C-AF with "Small" not "Spot" and the OM1 will blow your mind. It is the best low light AF camera I have ever used. Your point in #6 below - just use C-AF.

Spot AF point is 1/1053 point on the sensor. There simply is not enough contrast information in an area that small to be effective. The "Small" AF zone is approximately the same size as the old "Spot" was on your PEN-F.

Enjoy your new camera!
3. The grip helps a lot. I had the ECG-4 on my Pen-F and also tried a beefier grip from another brand, but my right hand and fingers would tire holding the camera, especially with any heavier lens. I could walk for an hour holding the OM-1 without feeling much fatigue in my hand. My hands are below average in size, but I think that I prefer the grip of my father's Nikon Z6II. A very minor issue though.

4. The OLED viewfinder is nicer than the one of the Pen-F, but I like the placement of the viewfinder on the Pen-F better. It is more comfortable holding the Pen-F to my face. The sensor to enable or disable the viewfinder on the OM-1 is a little more resistant to stray light than the one on the Pen-F, which is a plus. I don't find that the enhanced resolution really adds anything to my ability to take photos. In fact, when focus peaking it can make it more difficult to see the brightly colored pixels. The dealbreaker for me even considering an EM-1 III was the LCD viewfinder, so I can see the OLED viewfinder being more of an upgrade if you have that camera.

5. The ergonomics of using the camera are ok. I still need more time to get used to it. I had the Pen-F for over 6 years and I've only had the OM-1 for a week. The newer menu is good, but I didn't have many issues with the older style menu. I guess I was just accustomed to using it. The newer menu does let you go through things a little bit faster. I immediately noticed that some options from the Pen-F menu were taken away, but they were probably just made the default or don't really matter much anyway. The new features added are great and faster to access and change.

6. C-AF and subject detection really stand out. C-AF is so good that I could probably just use it instead of S-AF. C-AF on the Pen-F was literally unusable for me. C-AF is why I had to switch from the Pen-F. Subject detection works pretty well, but I have only tried it on people and two and four wheeled vehicles. Eye detection always selects the nearest eye. My hit rate is not particularly high, but like I said, I need to gohrough the entire manual and test more things out. Even so, I am very happy that I can finally photograph moving subjects again after having sold my Canon M50.

Bye-bye!
Bye-bye!

Hello!
Hello!
 
I've heard the SAF is not 100% ideal, but I never use it. I'm permanently in CAF+MF mode and it's fast and accurate.

As for the IBIS... I can't remember the last time I had a photo blurred due to camera movement. Subject movement, yes, but never the camera. It's fantastic!
 
Pro tip: quit using S-AF. Those days are gone. Use C-AF with "Small" not "Spot" and the OM1 will blow your mind. It is the best low light AF camera I have ever used. Your point in #6 below - just use C-AF.
Spot AF point is 1/1053 point on the sensor. There simply is not enough contrast information in an area that small to be effective. The "Small" AF zone is approximately the same size as the old "Spot" was on your PEN-F.

Enjoy your new camera!
In general CAF will perform well enough without bothering with SAF.

However, there are exceptions. If you need to photograph something behind distinct detail, then SAF is more selective (smaller focus area) than CAF. CAF is somewhat more likely to focus on the front detail. This is much improved on the OM1.2 (and possibly with firmware updates on the OM1.1), but there are still differences.

See the attached image. I tried to focus on the dead leaf between the branches with CAF and SAF. CAF focus always failed even with moving it around and refocusing. (OM1.2+MC20+300mmf4 - single focus point)

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Thanks for your thoughts and comments. I just got back to some serious photography after a couple of years ignoring my EP-5s and only using my phone. A couple of months ago I sold them for a pair of Pen-Fs. I do like the rangefinder style of shooting. Prior to getting my first Pen back in 2010 I had been shooting with SLR style cameras for over 40 years but I found the tiny Pens a lot more fun.

Having said that, for some reason I have been tempted to pick up an original OM-1 since they are somewhat cheap these days. Almost pulled the trigger on one today in fact. However, I think I will stick with the Pen-F at least for the foreseeable future.

I would like the faster AF in the OM-1 but I am pretty happy using S-AF so your comments regarding even the MkII not being all that much better makes me feel I am not missing much. I recently picked up 2 Pro grade lenses and I am happy that they focus much better than even my primes. I know that using C-AF can be great for sports and other action but most of what I shoot are landscape and street shooting so I think I am ok with what I have.

Anyways, thanks again and enjoy your new camera.
 
I've heard the SAF is not 100% ideal, but I never use it. I'm permanently in CAF+MF mode and it's fast and accurate.
What did you hear about S-AF? I know it is not great for moving subjects but works well for still subjects. Does your assertion only apply to the OM-1 II? I don't own one [yet].
As for the IBIS... I can't remember the last time I had a photo blurred due to camera movement. Subject movement, yes, but never the camera. It's fantastic!
 
I've heard the SAF is not 100% ideal, but I never use it. I'm permanently in CAF+MF mode and it's fast and accurate.
What did you hear about S-AF? I know it is not great for moving subjects but works well for still subjects. Does your assertion only apply to the OM-1 II? I don't own one [yet].
Robin Wong had some video talking about issues with SAF - this was before I even bought the OM-1. I dunno, most of what I shoot is in motion, so CAF is better for me. The times I shoot objects that are NOT in motion, it still works, so it's easier for me to just leave it in that mode.
 
Pro tip: quit using S-AF. Those days are gone. Use C-AF with "Small" not "Spot" and the OM1 will blow your mind. It is the best low light AF camera I have ever used. Your point in #6 below - just use C-AF.
Spot AF point is 1/1053 point on the sensor. There simply is not enough contrast information in an area that small to be effective. The "Small" AF zone is approximately the same size as the old "Spot" was on your PEN-F.

Enjoy your new camera!
In general CAF will perform well enough without bothering with SAF.

However, there are exceptions. If you need to photograph something behind distinct detail, then SAF is more selective (smaller focus area) than CAF. CAF is somewhat more likely to focus on the front detail. This is much improved on the OM1.2 (and possibly with firmware updates on the OM1.1), but there are still differences.

See the attached image. I tried to focus on the dead leaf between the branches with CAF and SAF. CAF focus always failed even with moving it around and refocusing. (OM1.2+MC20+300mmf4 - single focus point)

c1a31d074ca742e8b46fb2a9328e0710.jpg
Hi, I don’t doubt your findings about CAF not always being the way to go but your example here isn’t the most convincing. Because moving around and refocusing is what CAF does. With your setup (1200 mm equivalent field of view) it must be practically impossible to hold the camera still enough for a subject that small when continuously focusing, and without a subject to recognize (don’t think that leafs is among the subjects the camera can detect, lol) the camera will go for the nearest object with decent contrast.

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I love my Pen F but it can't compare to my E-M1 Mark II and III for focusing and for speed of taking a photo. I've missed several shots on the Pen F and it sits mostly unused while the Mark III accompanies me everywhere. The Pen F is a great casual photography camera but the lag between pressing the shutter and getting a focused photo is too long.

I'd love to see them reprise the Pen F with OM-1 II internals, but am thinking this is why they made the OM-3, and that we will not see a Pen F Mark II.
 
I have a Pen-F whose EVF Detect sensor decide to kick the bucket late last summer. ITs a shame since the its not complete dead e.g EVF works but auto dims after a few seconds. Also workflow sucks as manually changing EVF to screen does not work when LCD is facing outwards.

so... i bought the OM-1 MkII in September. What i loved the most was being able to do SOOC photography. no post , no tools etc. the OM-1MKII can do it but not with the same workflow that was provided by the creative dial. The feature i miss the most is controlling the Grain, which is not a specific configurable in any mode on the OM-1 series. Then comes the OM-3 and the return of the creative dial.... arggggh!

That said, i have worked to simulate what i can with the Monochrome mode, some tweaking of specific settings (sat, contrast etc... thanks Rob Trek) and also exploring how to manipulate Grainy I/II. That and pre-programming the C1-C4 to tie so specific workflows like nicely saturated colors, and a reasonable representation of the B&W modes.

AF.... thats an interesting one. I have seen a mixed bag. Perhaps i just have not mastered by 100-400 , so having some things there. I personally have not had issues with my 12-100, or the 1.8 primes, so for me, I am in a relatively happy space. I am enjoying a lot better Low light performance and heck adjusting ISO to levels i could not really use with my older EM5.3 and definitely not the Pen-F

BUT.... that OM-3 calls.... just need to hold out for another 6-12 months and see if i still want that preferred SOOC workflow which I know the OM-3 can do better than my OM-1 MKII !!!!!

Enjoy your OM-1 its a great , great camera.
 

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