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Looking for replacement for aging bridge camera
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Thanks, I didn't really consider this. That's very interesting, especially on deciding between the rx10iv and a more up to date interchangeable lens camera.
I find the computational stuff interesting however I don't know how necessary all of the features on a modern camera will actually be. The lack of internal ND filter on the rx10iv is a bit irritating, but I am sure they are ways around it. Thank you for the advice though.
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Thank you for replying!
I haven't really considered a Sony Alpha because of the strange viewfinder placement, but the lenses and bodies seem reasonable aside from this. Would you say it is a big problem compared to viewfinders that are in the center of the camera?
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Hi Woody,
Thank you for your post!
I've already gone against the OM_5 because it takes less images per charge than my HX_200v and the rx10iv (which is really strange as it's like 100 less images per charge which is very substantial). Also I did not like the lack of grip when I saw the OM-5 in a camera shop (didn't physically hold it though, just looked at it. I did however like the size of the camera, that was a plus point.
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So to summarise, I think my options are either:
- Go with the rx10iv
- Get the OM_1 at a discount or used
- Something else? If there are any Cannon/Nikon/Fujifilm mirrorless options that anyone would recommend, then please let me know!
- Go with the rx10iv
- Get the OM_1 at a discount or used
- Something else? If there are any Cannon/Nikon/Fujifilm mirrorless options that anyone would recommend, then please let me know!
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I would say go with:
RX10 IV (25x zoom) if you care more about zoom range
FZ2000/FZ2500 (20x zoom) if you care more about built-in ND filter.
You currently have 30x zoom, which you might miss once its gone more than you think.
Going from 1/2.3" to 1" you will see a big improvement in low light performance, but also you will notice that the depth of field is shallower, i.e. a scene that was totally in focus on your HX200V, could now only be partly in focus.
I wouldn't recommend going bigger than m4/3 since the "all-in-one" lens solutions have poor optical performance or they are really huge. As well, each boost in sensor size = shallower depth of field.
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I don't miss anything.Thank you for saying that my image is great! It is much appreciated!Thank you for your kind words. Your image is great, what a beautiful landscape.Thank you for your reply!Welcome to the forum!
My first bridge camera was the HX200V. I loved that thing. After six years of use I sold it to a friend who still uses it.
Then I purchased an RX10 (I). Awesome travel and hiking camera. I used it for 6.5 years and sold it to another friend.
Since almost two years I have been using an RX10 IV. It's a brilliant camera, go for it. Much better image quality and autofocus than your HX200V. All you need in one package.
Meteora, Greece. 2013. Sony HX200V.
Andes, Peru. 2017. Sony RX10 (I) + Hoya polarizer + Cokin ND grad.
Sony RX10 IV. 2023.
Your photographs are incredible! Thank you for posting them, especially the one from Peru! The versatility of the rx10iv is what appeals to me especially the more DSLR aesthetics of the camera.
Incidentally, this is one of the best photographs I have taken with my hx200v. It's overlooking Cregennan Lakes in Wales, somewhere on top of a mountain.
Cregennan Lakes, Wales on a Sony hx200v
Travelling, especially hiking, with a 1 kg do-it-all camera is liberating. From landscapes to birds and everything in between, including pseudo-macro. And no lens change.
The lack of lens changes is certainly appealing to me, especially as I already have a good understanding of the RX10 system. One of the main things that I like is more the style of the camera, not so much the zoom (although my HX200vs zoom has proved useful in the past, I haven’t used it very much) which is why I am still considering my options.
Do you miss any of the features of newer cameras compared to the features of your RX10iv? This is one of the issues I am still debating with myself about.
Actually I wish it had a joystick to move the autofocus point, but the touch screen works reasonably well for that.
For the price and its capabilities, I think it's a no-brainer.
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I'd be tempted to go with the Sony rx10iv because of the weather sealing alone. I don't feel that the Lumix's are weather sealed. I could always use a physical ND filter to get the results I wanted as well, right? If anyone has any recommendations, I would be very grateful for your responses!
This is true however (I don't really use my bridge camera that frequently anymore) I feel I have taken far more photographs that are wider rather than are closer, if anything I feel like I would want to have a focal length that is marginally wider than much closer. I think I would like a 300mm maximum, or something on those lines?
As an example, when I was on holiday in Wales and I took my camera I only zoomed in my camera marginally taking a photograph of this mountain. I suppose if you were on holiday you would generally only take photographs of landscapes rather than zooming it in too much, so this is a bit of a moot point, but I haven't used the zoom functions as much I have previously.
Detail of mountain in Wales, taken with Sony hx200v
This is also because the zoom isn't as high quality as I would like and it does tend to deteriorate in quality, especially in low light. This will presumably be corrected by the rx10iv but it's something to consider. You can see this in practice, in this photograph that I took at the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.
Athletes at Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games, taken on a Sony hx200v
This is a good point. I will probably not go bigger that m4/3 in which case. Admittedly the Sigma 16 - 300 is only 600 grams which isn't that heavy, although it entirely depends on which body you want to use.
Unrelated, but I am also considering a DLSR, assuming they are still recommended? I don't know if this is still the case considering so many people are switching or have already switched to mirrorless systems.
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Thank you! I will think about it and consider my options. I have found everyone's advice to be very helpful!I don't miss anything.Thank you for saying that my image is great! It is much appreciated!Thank you for your kind words. Your image is great, what a beautiful landscape.Thank you for your reply!Welcome to the forum!
My first bridge camera was the HX200V. I loved that thing. After six years of use I sold it to a friend who still uses it.
Then I purchased an RX10 (I). Awesome travel and hiking camera. I used it for 6.5 years and sold it to another friend.
Since almost two years I have been using an RX10 IV. It's a brilliant camera, go for it. Much better image quality and autofocus than your HX200V. All you need in one package.
Meteora, Greece. 2013. Sony HX200V.
Andes, Peru. 2017. Sony RX10 (I) + Hoya polarizer + Cokin ND grad.
Sony RX10 IV. 2023.
Your photographs are incredible! Thank you for posting them, especially the one from Peru! The versatility of the rx10iv is what appeals to me especially the more DSLR aesthetics of the camera.
Incidentally, this is one of the best photographs I have taken with my hx200v. It's overlooking Cregennan Lakes in Wales, somewhere on top of a mountain.
Cregennan Lakes, Wales on a Sony hx200v
Travelling, especially hiking, with a 1 kg do-it-all camera is liberating. From landscapes to birds and everything in between, including pseudo-macro. And no lens change.
The lack of lens changes is certainly appealing to me, especially as I already have a good understanding of the RX10 system. One of the main things that I like is more the style of the camera, not so much the zoom (although my HX200vs zoom has proved useful in the past, I haven’t used it very much) which is why I am still considering my options.
Do you miss any of the features of newer cameras compared to the features of your RX10iv? This is one of the issues I am still debating with myself about.
Actually I wish it had a joystick to move the autofocus point, but the touch screen works reasonably well for that.
For the price and its capabilities, I think it's a no-brainer.
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Not at all. I've shot with both types - EVF on left and EVF in center.
I have had an rx10 IV for more than 6 years and have never regretted it. Its zoom range, relatively bright max aperture, and super fast focusing have given me shots that I probably would have missed with a similarly priced camera. It’s old maybe but it’s not outdated in my view.
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Interesting. I thought it would have been more of a change than I expected, thanks for your advice anyway!
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I've been using both styles for decades. These days, I use a7IV, a7RV and a7CR side-by-side. The "rangefinder-style" EVFs tend to be smaller. Panasonic's GX8 was a rare exception.
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I'm not really sure how large or small I would like mine to be, but I do feel that I would prefer one that is slightly larger as I wear glasses and a smaller one might be a but tricky to use. I will check out the Sony Alpha offerings though!
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I managed to miss this, apologies! Thank you, that's given me some insight into the benefits of securing one!
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I have another question, (sorry, I have so many questions!) unfortunately I have recently discovered if I get purchase a mioorless/m43 camera, it might not have an in built flash. If I want to have a flash, would I need to get one externally? If so, how much do they cost and how heavy are they? Are they difficult to travel with? I haven't used the in built flash on my current camera much, but it is very nice to have!
You should check which bodies have a popup flash, but no high-end ones do.
Any recent Olympus/OMDS body has the extra hot shoe pin to power the FL-LM3. This is a tiny flash that runs off the camera battery and both rotates and tilts. It has about the power of a popup flash, ie not much.
After that, you have increasingly larger and more powerful flashes with bigger batteries, and maybe the ability to be remotely triggered for off-body use or act as the trigger for others.
I have a FL-LM3 because it’s easy to carry, and a bigger Nissin flash with an Air Commander when I want to use it off-body, typically in my left hand but also on a stand.
Godox do flashes in all sizes and powers, but I have no experience to offer.
Andrew
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This is what I was thinking too, I couldn't find any that had a built in flash. I'd just worry that it would be another thing to try to remember/organise and that I'd miss the shot trying to get it ready as opposed to an in built flash
That's what I'd be looking for, no more than my current camera.
Thanks!
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