Fuji Colors a question for those who came from other brands .

Vlado1214 said:

Batdude said:

Well, Fujis colors are excellent. That’s just my personal opinion based on my personal experience. There’s nothing wrong with them so you don’t have to worry about color.

Ive been shooting with Fuji and other brands side by side, mainly with nikon D4. Also shot with Pentax K1 for one year. This pass weekend I just purchased a Canon camera for the very first time ever and this is the first canon camera I have used in my life so I will find out what type of color it produces. Every camera brand produces different colors. Some more unique than others. it is what it is, but is all good. As of today, I don’t think any camera brand will produce bad colors.

This is actually not just a camera brand thing, it also has to do with how our own brain “interprets” color. Everyone likes different colors and that’s called taste

Having said that, thru the years I have indeed seen how ALL camera manufacturers have made skin tones look different compared to older cameras of the same brand. They just don’t look the same. They are not necessarily bad, just different.

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Thanks Batdude .. true I saw it with my own eyes with nikon and canon dslr's ..

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Vlado1214 said:

thanks Mike ! this was helpful .

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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michaeladawson said:

Vlado1214 said:

thanks Mike ! this was helpful .

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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I don't have a current model Fujifilm body. I have the X-T2, X-H1, and X-E3 bodies. The X-T2 and X-H1 pretty much stay in the box. I use the X-E3 as my lightweight kickaround camera. For all my other work I have gone back to Nikon, which I started using in the 1990s, dabbled in Fujifilm during 2016-2018, and then went back to Nikon because of dissatisfaction with Fujifilm auto-focus.

A bit of a short explanation is in order here. I was, am, and always will be a back button focus shooter. Most importantly, that means that I am in continuous AF mode all the time, even for static shots. The problem with the X-T2 and X-H1 was that the AF would constantly pump when focused on a static subject. Perhaps more so when used in lower light conditions. This made them unusable for me for my photography gigs of modeling and red carpet events. Way too many missed focus shots. My Nikon DSLRs of the time had absolutely no issues with continuous AF under these conditions.

I went back to Nikon gear for my main events and now shoot with a Z8 and Z9. I can't comment on the current state of AF in Fujifilm.

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Erik Baumgartner said:

Vlado1214 said:

michaeladawson said:

Vlado1214 said:

thank's Bastibe IM not much into jpeg since IM learning photography IM more focused in light and composition .. trying to shoot something ..''interesting '' or like someone said. trying to say something '' but for now I'failing miserably hahaha .. ( keep trying ) ..

my interest on fuji cameras were first because I love how it felt in my hand ( that time I tried the x-t1 ) and its Hughe EVF !! .. but I didn't hade much info about the X-trans sensor besides what's advertised .. les moire more sharpness... but. what about colors ?

ok It depends a lot about how specific processing softwares take those raw x-trans files and work with them .. but since it pass many years now .. Capture 1 seems to work well .. and there's that fuji own processing app .. I thought to ask if theres any particular difference more experienced photographers saw or felt in comparison with other brands .. ( always working in raw ) .. if the x-trans sensor gives some advantages ? maybe more hmm idk .. mm more natural colors ?

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And I personally believe the answer is "No". As a few others have said, the colors that come off the sensor (and are part of a raw file) are not much different between brands. There are probably slight differences in the captured R,G,B color channels due to the color filter array that is placed over the sensor.

But it's software that processes the raw data that determines what the color looks like, whether it's the in-camera jpegs or in the computer software you use (Adobe, Capture One, etc.). You can get pretty much the same color out of any camera. Fujifilm has done a great job by giving their color profiles film and cinematic names, rather than names such as landscape, portrait, vivid, neutral, etc. I don't really care for their profiles. But many do and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, X-Trans is not inherently sharper than other brands. Sharpness off the sensor pretty much comes down to whether or not there is an anti-alias filter as part of the stack on top of the sensor. Fujifilm doesn't use one. Other brands sometimes use one, sometimes not. Nikon does not use one on their 45 MP sensors. They tend to put one on their lower MP bodies.

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thanks Mike ! this was helpful .

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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Fujis are not the greatest fast action tracking cameras, but I pretty much never miss focus with my X-T2 and X-T20 (I’m not usually a fast action shooter). Both are significantly better than the X-T1 in multiple departments, but for slow or static subjects it works OK too.

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michaeladawson said:

Vlado1214 said:

thanks Mike ! this was helpful .

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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I don't have a current model Fujifilm body. I have the X-T2, X-H1, and X-E3 bodies. The X-T2 and X-H1 pretty much stay in the box. I use the X-E3 as my lightweight kickaround camera. For all my other work I have gone back to Nikon, which I started using in the 1990s, dabbled in Fujifilm during 2016-2018, and then went back to Nikon because of dissatisfaction with Fujifilm auto-focus.

A bit of a short explanation is in order here. I was, am, and always will be a back button focus shooter. Most importantly, that means that I am in continuous AF mode all the time, even for static shots. The problem with the X-T2 and X-H1 was that the AF would constantly pump when focused on a static subject. Perhaps more so when used in lower light conditions. This made them unusable for me for my photography gigs of modeling and red carpet events. Way too many missed focus shots. My Nikon DSLRs of the time had absolutely no issues with continuous AF under these conditions.

I went back to Nikon gear for my main events and now shoot with a Z8 and Z9. I can't comment on the current state of AF in Fujifilm.

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Batdude said:

Vlado1214 said:

Batdude said:

Well, Fujis colors are excellent. That’s just my personal opinion based on my personal experience. There’s nothing wrong with them so you don’t have to worry about color.

Ive been shooting with Fuji and other brands side by side, mainly with nikon D4. Also shot with Pentax K1 for one year. This pass weekend I just purchased a Canon camera for the very first time ever and this is the first canon camera I have used in my life so I will find out what type of color it produces. Every camera brand produces different colors. Some more unique than others. it is what it is, but is all good. As of today, I don’t think any camera brand will produce bad colors.

This is actually not just a camera brand thing, it also has to do with how our own brain “interprets” color. Everyone likes different colors and that’s called taste

Having said that, thru the years I have indeed seen how ALL camera manufacturers have made skin tones look different compared to older cameras of the same brand. They just don’t look the same. They are not necessarily bad, just different.

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Thanks Batdude .. true I saw it with my own eyes with nikon and canon dslr's ..

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And not just nikon vs canon. I’ve seen a big difference between the D4 I had vs the newer nikon mirrorless. The skin tones from the past did have a different more pleasing look. That era is gone now everything started being more “accurate”, and the more accurate has become “the best” hahaha!!!

like I said, today almost all cameras are very close to each other, and not necessarily in a good way either depending on how you look at it.

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William the X-T5 guy said:

I have limited experience with Nikon and Canon. It's been quite a while since I have done extensive work on those brands files. Zero experience with Sony.

The nicest files I've worked with have been out of my Pentax K1. I find I do very little to those files, minor tweaks and that's about it.

My experience with Nikon and Canon were almost all from working as a post processor at a professional studio. I ended up setting up actions in Photoshop that were applied as a batch individualized to each photographer's camera because I had to do so much repetitive correcting to bring the files to what we wanted as a finished look.

The files off my X-T5 fall somewhere in between my studio experience with Canon/ Nikon and my ongoing Pentax experience. The files are OK to work with but I do find I have to work them a bit more to get what I want.

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Vlado1214 said:

Erik Baumgartner said:

Vlado1214 said:

michaeladawson said:

Vlado1214 said:

thank's Bastibe IM not much into jpeg since IM learning photography IM more focused in light and composition .. trying to shoot something ..''interesting '' or like someone said. trying to say something '' but for now I'failing miserably hahaha .. ( keep trying ) ..

my interest on fuji cameras were first because I love how it felt in my hand ( that time I tried the x-t1 ) and its Hughe EVF !! .. but I didn't hade much info about the X-trans sensor besides what's advertised .. les moire more sharpness... but. what about colors ?

ok It depends a lot about how specific processing softwares take those raw x-trans files and work with them .. but since it pass many years now .. Capture 1 seems to work well .. and there's that fuji own processing app .. I thought to ask if theres any particular difference more experienced photographers saw or felt in comparison with other brands .. ( always working in raw ) .. if the x-trans sensor gives some advantages ? maybe more hmm idk .. mm more natural colors ?

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And I personally believe the answer is "No". As a few others have said, the colors that come off the sensor (and are part of a raw file) are not much different between brands. There are probably slight differences in the captured R,G,B color channels due to the color filter array that is placed over the sensor.

But it's software that processes the raw data that determines what the color looks like, whether it's the in-camera jpegs or in the computer software you use (Adobe, Capture One, etc.). You can get pretty much the same color out of any camera. Fujifilm has done a great job by giving their color profiles film and cinematic names, rather than names such as landscape, portrait, vivid, neutral, etc. I don't really care for their profiles. But many do and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, X-Trans is not inherently sharper than other brands. Sharpness off the sensor pretty much comes down to whether or not there is an anti-alias filter as part of the stack on top of the sensor. Fujifilm doesn't use one. Other brands sometimes use one, sometimes not. Nikon does not use one on their 45 MP sensors. They tend to put one on their lower MP bodies.

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thanks Mike ! this was helpful .

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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Fujis are not the greatest fast action tracking cameras, but I pretty much never miss focus with my X-T2 and X-T20 (I’m not usually a fast action shooter). Both are significantly better than the X-T1 in multiple departments, but for slow or static subjects it works OK too.

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thanks Erik and sorry for my delay .. ( some unexpected issues took all my time and energy ) .. I'm not interested in fast action shooting .. as my main work and interests are people casual situations like some kind of a portrait thing .. portraits.. , landscapes . and stills ( art: sculptures, paintings, fresco, friezes.. etc.. )

do you know if this issue is related to autofocusing or can hit when in manual mode with a pre focusing too ? I was reading that fuji recommended pre select a focusing mode depending the situation .. but don't know if this solves the problem or if its related to the latest models only .

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Vlado1214 said:

michaeladawson said:

I don't have a current model Fujifilm body. I have the X-T2, X-H1, and X-E3 bodies. The X-T2 and X-H1 pretty much stay in the box. I use the X-E3 as my lightweight kickaround camera. For all my other work I have gone back to Nikon, which I started using in the 1990s, dabbled in Fujifilm during 2016-2018, and then went back to Nikon because of dissatisfaction with Fujifilm auto-focus.

A bit of a short explanation is in order here. I was, am, and always will be a back button focus shooter. Most importantly, that means that I am in continuous AF mode all the time, even for static shots. The problem with the X-T2 and X-H1 was that the AF would constantly pump when focused on a static subject. Perhaps more so when used in lower light conditions. This made them unusable for me for my photography gigs of modeling and red carpet events. Way too many missed focus shots. My Nikon DSLRs of the time had absolutely no issues with continuous AF under these conditions.

I went back to Nikon gear for my main events and now shoot with a Z8 and Z9. I can't comment on the current state of AF in Fujifilm.

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thanks Mike this ws interesting and helpful , you had missing shots even with in good light static subjects too ?

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Vlado1214 said:

Michael sorry to bug you again .. I asked this this question to another user here in this thread but would be cool to have your thoughts on this too .. the focusing issues do you know if they are more related or prone continuous autofocusing , or in other modes too ? and is there any way to mitigate or finding a way around ? like taking several shots like 5 ( one would be in focus for sure ) kind of things ..

I was thinking to buy a nikon z6. or an old nikon d750 for just in case too but IM really hooked with fuji xD .. it was like a spell after trying that old x-t1. -_____-

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michaeladawson said:

Vlado1214 said:

Michael sorry to bug you again .. I asked this this question to another user here in this thread but would be cool to have your thoughts on this too .. the focusing issues do you know if they are more related or prone continuous autofocusing , or in other modes too ? and is there any way to mitigate or finding a way around ? like taking several shots like 5 ( one would be in focus for sure ) kind of things ..

I was thinking to buy a nikon z6. or an old nikon d750 for just in case too but IM really hooked with fuji xD .. it was like a spell after trying that old x-t1. -_____-

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I hope my response to your other question answers your question. It was the AF-C mode that caused issues. And it was when focusing on fairly static human subjects. Not totally static, but static to the extent that someone talking to an audience is slowly moving.

I suspect that if you don't use AF-C mode in the way I do, or use primarly AF-S mode, you would be fine. I also can't comment on sports/action/bird photography. I use Nikon gear for that.

And just to add, my current main gear is Nikon Z8/Z9. I still love my Fujifilm X-E3 and still use it. Will probably upgrade to the X-E5 if it ever comes out. But I don't use Fujifilm for the colors. I do like retro gear though. I still shoot film with Leica and Nikon F2/FM3a. If you want digital retro though, it's hard to beat Fujifilm. Nikon makes a Zf but they fall short on the retro experience due to the lack of lenses with aperture rings.

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Vlado1214 said:

michaeladawson said:

Vlado1214 said:

thank's Bastibe IM not much into jpeg since IM learning photography IM more focused in light and composition .. trying to shoot something ..''interesting '' or like someone said. trying to say something '' but for now I'failing miserably hahaha .. ( keep trying ) ..

my interest on fuji cameras were first because I love how it felt in my hand ( that time I tried the x-t1 ) and its Hughe EVF !! .. but I didn't hade much info about the X-trans sensor besides what's advertised .. les moire more sharpness... but. what about colors ?

ok It depends a lot about how specific processing softwares take those raw x-trans files and work with them .. but since it pass many years now .. Capture 1 seems to work well .. and there's that fuji own processing app .. I thought to ask if theres any particular difference more experienced photographers saw or felt in comparison with other brands .. ( always working in raw ) .. if the x-trans sensor gives some advantages ? maybe more hmm idk .. mm more natural colors ?

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And I personally believe the answer is "No". As a few others have said, the colors that come off the sensor (and are part of a raw file) are not much different between brands. There are probably slight differences in the captured R,G,B color channels due to the color filter array that is placed over the sensor.

But it's software that processes the raw data that determines what the color looks like, whether it's the in-camera jpegs or in the computer software you use (Adobe, Capture One, etc.). You can get pretty much the same color out of any camera. Fujifilm has done a great job by giving their color profiles film and cinematic names, rather than names such as landscape, portrait, vivid, neutral, etc. I don't really care for their profiles. But many do and there's nothing wrong with that.

Also, X-Trans is not inherently sharper than other brands. Sharpness off the sensor pretty much comes down to whether or not there is an anti-alias filter as part of the stack on top of the sensor. Fujifilm doesn't use one. Other brands sometimes use one, sometimes not. Nikon does not use one on their 45 MP sensors. They tend to put one on their lower MP bodies.

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thanks Mike ! this was helpful .

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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Erik Baumgartner said:

I just want to chime in here to mention that, with the possible (but doubtful) exception of their latest models, Fuji cameras really do not work especially well for back button focus with AF-C. Most folks who use BBF with their Canons and Nikons are disappointed when trying to do the same thing with their Fujis (former Nikon shooter, here). I do use BBF all the time in Manual instant AF mode which works fine but, if you want to have a go using AF-C with an older model Fuji camera, the shutter button is the best way to go, IMO. For static or (predictably) moving subjects, AF-S will, by far, yield the most reliable focusing results with most Fuji cameras, IMO.

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michaeladawson said:

Erik Baumgartner said:

I just want to chime in here to mention that, with the possible (but doubtful) exception of their latest models, Fuji cameras really do not work especially well for back button focus with AF-C. Most folks who use BBF with their Canons and Nikons are disappointed when trying to do the same thing with their Fujis (former Nikon shooter, here). I do use BBF all the time in Manual instant AF mode which works fine but, if you want to have a go using AF-C with an older model Fuji camera, the shutter button is the best way to go, IMO. For static or (predictably) moving subjects, AF-S will, by far, yield the most reliable focusing results with most Fuji cameras, IMO.

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I can't dispute your opinion, having been there, done that, and been disappointed with Fujifilm in this regard. And in this regard the issue is AF-C vs AF-S mode.

I don't think the issue was back button focus, per se. The issue was using AF-C for subjects that, while not stationary, were still fairly static. It shouldn't make one whit of difference whether you are using a back button for AF activation or the shutter button. On these older model Fujifilm bodies, if you put the AF spot on a fairly static target and use AF-C mode, you can see in the viewfinder that the camera is pumping the AF from time to time.

I would have had the same issue if I was using half press of the shutter button in AF-C mode on a fairly static subject. Nikon did not have this problem in their DSLR cameras and they don't have it in the current mirrorless models. I would like to think Fujifilm has improved things as well since the X-T2 days.

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Jim in Hudson said:

I have an X-T5 and back button focus works fine, especially in single point focus area mode. It doesn't have this "pumping" behavior seen on older models.

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Vlado1214 said:

one more thing but. bit out of the main question.. what's the problem with autofocus on fuji cameras.. is it true or a lack of proper knowledge working with fuji cameras ?

IM not aiming to teh latest models what I can get here its the x-t1 and x-t2. maybe an x-t3 ... I heard some YouTubers were complaining about autofocus .. Im not going to shoot anything fast ..

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