The 28/2 is a fun lens

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I like it a lot even wide open. Especially wide open. Where even at 28mm it can give a subtile shallow DOF that is just enough to make the subject pop. Don't you agree?

The reviewers are not to crazy about it, but I feel it's not much worse than the 35/1.4L that used to be the Canon top (long ago). For both you have to get close to make them shine. Even at F2 the centre can be remarkably sharp wide open.

28/2 (220g) versus 35/1.4L (580g) and total combo weight 720g versus 1330g, that makes a huge difference between 6D+35L and A7C+28 ;-)

Of course F2.0 is not F1.4 but the 28 is good enough to not miss the heavy 35L.

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I like it a lot even wide open. Especially wide open. Where even at 28mm it can give a subtile shallow DOF that is just enough to make the subject pop. Don't you agree?

The reviewers are not to crazy about it, but I feel it's not much worse than the 35/1.4L that used to be the Canon top (long ago). For both you have to get close to make them shine. Even at F2 the centre can be remarkably sharp wide open.
I like mine. This guide also suggests the lens is better in practical use than people think:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wideangle-lenses-for-the-sony-alpha-7-series/#Sony_FE_28mm_20
 
I like it a lot even wide open. Especially wide open. Where even at 28mm it can give a subtile shallow DOF that is just enough to make the subject pop. Don't you agree?

The reviewers are not to crazy about it, but I feel it's not much worse than the 35/1.4L that used to be the Canon top (long ago). For both you have to get close to make them shine. Even at F2 the centre can be remarkably sharp wide open.
I like mine. This guide also suggests the lens is better in practical use than people think:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wideangle-lenses-for-the-sony-alpha-7-series/#Sony_FE_28mm_20
Interesting, yes. The small 28's that Canon used to have were abysmal to the point that they were unusable wide open and not much better stopped down. It's such fun to have a light 28 that actually works great wide open...

I also hope and think this can be a general purpose prime just us much as the 35, if not better. Not for full face portraits (wide angle distortion) but for everything else, street, landscapes, head&shoulders. It's natural looking and yet "immersive".
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
 
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There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
 
I like it a lot even wide open. Especially wide open. Where even at 28mm it can give a subtile shallow DOF that is just enough to make the subject pop. Don't you agree?

The reviewers are not to crazy about it, but I feel it's not much worse than the 35/1.4L that used to be the Canon top (long ago). For both you have to get close to make them shine. Even at F2 the centre can be remarkably sharp wide open.
I like mine. This guide also suggests the lens is better in practical use than people think:
https://phillipreeve.net/blog/wideangle-lenses-for-the-sony-alpha-7-series/#Sony_FE_28mm_20
Interesting, yes. The small 28's that Canon used to have were abysmal to the point that they were unusable wide open and not much better stopped down.
I think that's true for the f/1.8 and the f/2.8 non-IS. The EF 28mm f/2.8 IS USM is a decent lens in my opinion, and on my Canon system I prefer it over the RF pancake for usability, although the pancake is said to be sharper.

For Sony I adapt the Sigma EF 28mm f/1.4 Art via MC-11. Heavy, but great IQ.
It's such fun to have a light 28 that actually works great wide open...

I also hope and think this can be a general purpose prime just us much as the 35, if not better.
I want a 50mm for general stuff + portraits, and a 28mm for general stuff when there's not so much space to fit everything in the frame.
Not for full face portraits (wide angle distortion) but for everything else, street, landscapes, head&shoulders. It's natural looking and yet "immersive".
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
 
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There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
Hate? Isn't that a bit strong? You know, there was a time when 100% output was not expected to be tack-sharp, it was normal for 100% to be a bit fuzzy/soft in digital cameras with AA filter. I am still in the phase that I am delighted to see a tack-sharp 100%. It seems people look at 200% and 400% nowadays to look for weaknesses.

I love mine, plenty sharp even wide open...Go ahead and screw your 800 grams bazooka size "pro" monster on ;-)

Look at this link where the 28/2 is compared with the Canon EF 28/1.8:


Some primes are hardly usable wide open, but the 28/2 does fine here...besides, all the shots of the original post were shot wide open, and they are perfectly sharp where I focussed.

Bas

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bahazzie/
 
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There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
Hate? Isn't that a bit strong?
I agree.
You know, there was a time when 100% output was not expected to be tack-sharp, it was normal for 100% to be a bit fuzzy/soft in digital cameras with AA filter. I am still in the phase that I am delighted to see a tack-sharp 100%. It seems people look at 200% and 400% nowadays to look for weaknesses.
That's totally fair
I love mine, plenty sharp even wide open...Go ahead and screw your 800 grams bazooka size "pro" monster on ;-)
Now you flipped the hyperbole in the other direction though, it hardly takes 800g to make a sharp wide prime these days, even the 24/35GM are well under that. There's 24mm options out there that are both sharper and smaller than the 28/2, that's why some people are frustrated there aren't more 28mm options, I don't think the 28/2 is awful though.

There's definitely more to lenses and photos than sharpness, CA and bokeh could be better on the 28/2 too, OTOH like most Sonys flare resistance seems solid. I'm sure some would wish it had more controls like a G lens as well... The thing came out literally 10 years ago, I think it's fair to point out the ways in which it has aged, both good and bad (not super sharp wide open on high res bodies).

But yeah, hate is rather harsh.
Look at this link where the 28/2 is compared with the Canon EF 28/1.8:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com...eraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Some primes are hardly usable wide open, but the 28/2 does fine here...besides, all the shots of the original post were shot wide open, and they are perfectly sharp where I focussed.

Bas

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bahazzie/
EF lenses are pretty irrelevant to me... /shrug A comparison with the SY 24/1.8 or some smaller 24s might be more relevant as far as modern expectations, specially if one can tolerate a little cropping. (eg an 24/1.8 cropped to 28mm would still have the light gathering of a 28/2.1, and a 4:3 AR will simulate that crop pretty well in-body)
 
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There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
Hate? Isn't that a bit strong? You know, there was a time when 100% output was not expected to be tack-sharp, it was normal for 100% to be a bit fuzzy/soft in digital cameras with AA filter. I am still in the phase that I am delighted to see a tack-sharp 100%. It seems people look at 200% and 400% nowadays to look for weaknesses.

I love mine, plenty sharp even wide open...Go ahead and screw your 800 grams bazooka size "pro" monster on ;-)

Look at this link where the 28/2 is compared with the Canon EF 28/1.8:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com...eraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Some primes are hardly usable wide open, but the 28/2 does fine here...besides, all the shots of the original post were shot wide open, and they are perfectly sharp where I focussed.

Bas

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bahazzie/
You need use old sony zeiss lens and after you will find 28 f2 bad.

Also gm, G and some sigma are more sharp than 28 f2 at wide open aperture.

28 f2 is a good lens but with new sensor or more than 24mpx . This lens show soft image in this situation at f2.
 
I think it's good the 28mm f/2.0 exists as an option. That said, some 28mm options are lacking. That's not the fault of the 28mm f/2.0, but it's annoying nonetheless.

The Sigma Art is stellar, but crazy (front) heavy. The Laowaf/1.2 is sharp at f/2.0, but manual everything (no AF, no exif) and a bit soft at f/1.2 and f/1.4, while it's the same price as the Sigma Art.

A 350-400g 28mm f/1.8 with a tack sharp centre & midframe wide open and sharp corner to corner at f/2.2 or so, that would be nice. As it is now the best 28mm f/1.8 is the 28-45mm f/1.8 Sigma zoom, and that one is hardly weights anything less than the 28mm f/1.4 Art.... Personally I would take the zoomability over a weight reduction, but that's me I guess.
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
Hate? Isn't that a bit strong?
I agree.
You know, there was a time when 100% output was not expected to be tack-sharp, it was normal for 100% to be a bit fuzzy/soft in digital cameras with AA filter. I am still in the phase that I am delighted to see a tack-sharp 100%. It seems people look at 200% and 400% nowadays to look for weaknesses.
That's totally fair
I love mine, plenty sharp even wide open...Go ahead and screw your 800 grams bazooka size "pro" monster on ;-)
Now you flipped the hyperbole in the other direction though, it hardly takes 800g to make a sharp wide prime these days, even the 24/35GM are well under that. There's 24mm options out there that are both sharper and smaller than the 28/2, that's why some people are frustrated there aren't more 28mm options, I don't think the 28/2 is awful though.
Personally I went into Sony to have a light FF package for use with primes only. Actually I wanted the Samyang 35/1.8 as first choice but then the 28/2 came by for a good price and I never had a 28 and was just curious. I liked the samples too.

But smaller and lighter and sharper prime options 35? I am all ears :-) I like the Somy 35/1.8 but it is heavier (just like the Canon 35/1.8). The Samyang 35/1.8 is the same weight as the 28/2 and about the same size too it seems. Sony primes are a bit "long".
There's definitely more to lenses and photos than sharpness, CA and bokeh could be better on the 28/2 too, OTOH like most Sonys flare resistance seems solid. I'm sure some would wish it had more controls like a G lens as well... The thing came out literally 10 years ago, I think it's fair to point out the ways in which it has aged, both good and bad (not super sharp wide open on high res bodies).

But yeah, hate is rather harsh.
Agreed, didn't know the lens was that old. Isn't it a bit contradictory to want a supersharp lens with a supersmooth bokeh anyway?
EF lenses are pretty irrelevant to me... /shrug A comparison with the SY 24/1.8 or some smaller 24s might be more relevant as far as modern expectations, specially if one can tolerate a little cropping. (eg an 24/1.8 cropped to 28mm would still have the light gathering of a 28/2.1, and a 4:3 AR will simulate that crop pretty well in-body)
Yeah but 24 is not my thing...nice for landscapes not much else...28 and 35 all the way, they look natural.
 
There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
Hate? Isn't that a bit strong?
I agree.
You know, there was a time when 100% output was not expected to be tack-sharp, it was normal for 100% to be a bit fuzzy/soft in digital cameras with AA filter. I am still in the phase that I am delighted to see a tack-sharp 100%. It seems people look at 200% and 400% nowadays to look for weaknesses.
That's totally fair
I love mine, plenty sharp even wide open...Go ahead and screw your 800 grams bazooka size "pro" monster on ;-)
Now you flipped the hyperbole in the other direction though, it hardly takes 800g to make a sharp wide prime these days, even the 24/35GM are well under that. There's 24mm options out there that are both sharper and smaller than the 28/2, that's why some people are frustrated there aren't more 28mm options, I don't think the 28/2 is awful though.
Personally I went into Sony to have a light FF package for use with primes only. Actually I wanted the Samyang 35/1.8 as first choice but then the 28/2 came by for a good price and I never had a 28 and was just curious. I liked the samples too.

But smaller and lighter and sharper prime options 35? I am all ears :-)
Where did I write 35mm? I said 24mm (see underline)... That being said, I'm sure the 40/2.5 G is also far sharper wide open and it's smaller...
I like the Somy 35/1.8 but it is heavier (just like the Canon 35/1.8). The Samyang 35/1.8 is the same weight as the 28/2 and about the same size too it seems. Sony primes are a bit "long".
Sometimes, yeah, there's a fair amount of physically shorter ones but not nearly as many... The Voigtlander 21/3.5 (manual), Sony 24/2.8 G, Sigma 24/3.5 DN, Sony 40/2.5 G, Sigma 45/2.8 DN, and Samyang 45/1.8 are all shorter and primes I consider sharper wide open or even at comparable apertures; course none are 28mm or even 35mm, which is why people lament the lack of 28mm options (35/40 being more interchangeable).

There's a few others but I don't think people tend to care as much about the size difference between these and say the 28/2 (I do but anyway...), at roughly the same size there's the whole Sigma f2 series and Samyang f1.8 series and I think both have shown what more modern designs can achieve.
There's definitely more to lenses and photos than sharpness, CA and bokeh could be better on the 28/2 too, OTOH like most Sonys flare resistance seems solid. I'm sure some would wish it had more controls like a G lens as well... The thing came out literally 10 years ago, I think it's fair to point out the ways in which it has aged, both good and bad (not super sharp wide open on high res bodies).

But yeah, hate is rather harsh.
Agreed, didn't know the lens was that old. Isn't it a bit contradictory to want a supersharp lens with a supersmooth bokeh anyway?
Not really... 20/1.8 G, Sigma 35/2 & 35/1.2 DN, 24/35 GM, Voigtlander 50/1.2, etc etc, it's sometimes a bit trickier with wider ones but hardly impossible. A little bit of under corrected SA isn't gonna murder sharpness and a high degree of corrections in other areas actually helps smooth out bokeh for the most part, YMMV.
EF lenses are pretty irrelevant to me... /shrug A comparison with the SY 24/1.8 or some smaller 24s might be more relevant as far as modern expectations, specially if one can tolerate a little cropping. (eg an 24/1.8 cropped to 28mm would still have the light gathering of a 28/2.1, and a 4:3 AR will simulate that crop pretty well in-body)
Yeah but 24 is not my thing...nice for landscapes not much else...28 and 35 all the way, they look natural.
 
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There is another 28/2 that's a fun lens: the 28-70 f/2 GM.

OK, it's a tad heavier than the prime 28/2, and a teeny bit more expensive (I admit to a slight exaggeration...). It probably qualifies as "less discreet" than the 28/2 prime, too.

But it's ridiculously sharp and a beautiful lens for shooting people.
LOL - Yes that's a much bigger and much more expensive option. I don't think that fits the brief. But hey - it is a 28mm F2 and it IS quite lovely by all accounts. I have never even seen one in person but that will change someday I'm sure.

28mm is tough. This review of the Viltrox 28mm f1.8 in the conclusion section lists a few alternatives - and the list is slim: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-viltrox-fe-28mm-1-8-af/#Conclusion

Of these I own the FE 28/2 only and based on the conclusion and the comparisons to the other options I think it suits me fine. Honestly when I shoot this focal length and need a bit more capability I like my Pentax SMC FA 31/1.8 better. But using the FA 31 on the Monster Adapter is not like shooting the FE 28 natively. The focus is fairly quick and accurate - unless it is acting up. The SMC FA 31/1.8 also has some fringing in some lighting scenarios but overall rendering is very nice. It's also crazy sharp at least in the center and pretty sharp all over. It does make me frustrated that a better 28mm isn't really available on the full frame E mount platform.
Voigtländer has announced a 28mm f2. I don’t know if/when it will be available for E mount, but it could be an interesting lens if you don’t mind manual focus.
Cool! In fact I bought the A7C to go with primes only (and the 28-60) and also to experiment with MF primes. The only thing I am not sure about is to do it via Leica M adapter, or native FE. Any opinion on that? How much would it matter for IQ, considering sensor stack?
The differences in sensor stack do matter, specially with wides, and Voigtlander is one of the few manufacturers that tends to adjust their M mount lenses for the E mount sensor filter stack (most of the time, but not all of the time).

https://phillipreeve.net/blog/diffe...mean-for-us-sony-e-nikon-z-leica-m-kolari-ut/

I'm curious to see how much of that they did with the 28/1.5 Nokton that they recently released, though I'd be more interested in a 28/2 Ultron or APO-Lanthar (better corrected at the cost of speed) and it seems that may finally be on the way... A 28/2 would be a sweet alternative to my Voigtlander 21/3.5 in my most minimalist kit (basically pairing either w/a 50mm), and it might be the only other MF lens I'd consider buying at this point.

The old Sony 28/2 is fine if you're shooting a lower res body or don't intend to crop much on a high res one, specially if you intend to stop it down a bit.

My sister has been shooting one for years on an A7R III and I like the shots, I just wasn't fully convinced by the output at f2... But there's not a lot of other options. There's the Viltrox 28/4.5 body cap, the manual Laowa Argus 28/1.2 (slightly tempting), and there used to be a decent version of the manual 7Artisan 28/1.4 that was adjusted for E mount despite being sold in M mount, but it seems to have disappeared from the market unfortunately.
I have same situation, SOny need a pro 28mm .

I have a7iv and 7riii and hate 28 f2 quality.
Hate? Isn't that a bit strong?
Hate is a bit strong :-) but it is a disappointing lens relatively speaking , wide open the middle is very decent ,touching excellent at F/2.8 . On the other hand , if corners are important I find you need to stop down to at least F/4.0 maybe F/5.6 for critical edges.

I think as always what you use it for matters, I would tend to use such a focal lens for landscapes / cityscapes etc. Where corners do matter. Given how many lenses Sony has updated over the years this one is overdue

This review from optical limits is a fair reflection of my experience with the lens

https://opticallimits.com/sony/sony-fe-28mm-f-2-sel28f20-review/

As I say use case often defines the value of a lens to the respective users. 28mm does not seem to get much love from the makers these days
You know, there was a time when 100% output was not expected to be tack-sharp, it was normal for 100% to be a bit fuzzy/soft in digital cameras with AA filter. I am still in the phase that I am delighted to see a tack-sharp 100%. It seems people look at 200% and 400% nowadays to look for weaknesses
The 100% zoom of digital imaging can be a PITA :-) I think the issue here on DPreview is that it is fundamentally a gear site, with the forums dedicated to gear not photography per say. So pedantry and nitpicking are the order of the day
I love mine, plenty sharp even wide open...Go ahead and screw your 800 grams bazooka size "pro" monster on ;-)
There are some superb options around nowadays much lighter than that ( alas not always cheaper :-) ) . My 24mm F/1.4 GM is under 500g. There are options such as the little Samyang 35mm F/2.8 which is an amazing performer for a lens that is around £200 new and weighs in at about the same as my Pany 20mm F/1.7 !

Look at this link where the 28/2 is compared with the Canon EF 28/1.8:

https://www.the-digital-picture.com...eraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

Some primes are hardly usable wide open, but the 28/2 does fine here...besides, all the shots of the original post were shot wide open, and they are perfectly sharp where I focussed.

Bas

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bahazzie/
All that matters is what enjoyment YOU get from using the lenses , just keep away from the brick wall stuff :-) For environmental type shooting like in your OP it clearly does a job

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