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I have gotten more active with my Sony a6500 camera lately and am looking for recommendations for two lenses to supplement my current setup. Right now, I have:
  • a Sony 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS APS-C (model SEL 18135). This is the standard walking-around lens I leave on the camera full time.
  • a Sony 55–210 mm F4.5-6.3 OSS APS-C (model SEL 55210); and
  • a Sony PZ 16–50 mm F3.5–5.6 OSS APS-C (model SELP 1650) that I basically never use.
I'm looking to upgrade what I have to be more flexible and, well, better. For example, I have already decided to sell the 55-210 and the PZ16-50 and purchase the SEL70350G (70-355) lens.

What do I need to have a decent but not crazy expensive bag?

A) Should I get something better for low light situations that can also do bokeh? I was thinking something like Sigma 10-18mm F2.8 DC DN or Sony 16-55mm 2.8 SELG?

B) Is 2.8 enough of a difference in light to be materially better than the Sony 18-135 that has F3.5? Am I better off with a 1.4 or 1.8? Something like the:
  1. Sony E 35mm f1.8 OSS Lens - budget friendly, compact, not such good reviews?
  2. Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens - budget friendly, bright, relatively large.
  3. Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN
Any suggestions would be VERY welcome. All the choices make this very confusing to someone that is pretty inexperienced....
 
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I have gotten more active with my Sony a6500 camera lately and am looking for recommendations for two lenses to supplement my current setup. Right now, I have:
  • a Sony 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS APS-C (model SEL 18135). This is the standard walking-around lens I leave on the camera full time.
  • a Sony 55–210 mm F4.5-6.3 OSS APS-C (model SEL 55210); and
  • a Sony PZ 16–50 mm F3.5–5.6 OSS APS-C (model SELP 1650) that I basically never use.
I'm looking to upgrade what I have to be more flexible and, well, better. For example, I have already decided to sell the 55-210 and the PZ16-50 and purchase the SEL70350G (70-355) lens.

What do I need to have a decent but not crazy expensive bag?

A) Should I get something better for low light situations that can also do bokeh? I was thinking something like Sigma 10-18mm F2.8 DC DN or Sony 16-55mm 2.8 SELG?
You won't get a lot of bokeh or subject isolation out of an UWA lens, unless you meant the Sigma 18-50/2.8 rather than the 10-18?
B) Is 2.8 enough of a difference in light to be materially better than the Sony 18-135 that has F3.5? Am I better off with a 1.4 or 1.8? Something like the:
If the goal is subject isolation, sure, a longer/faster prime will obviously deliver more of it than the average zoom.
  1. Sony E 35mm f1.8 OSS Lens - budget friendly, compact, not such good reviews?
  2. Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens - budget friendly, bright, relatively large.
  3. Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN
Now you're mixing a bunch of FLs, the 16mm would be a very very different choice than the 30-35s, I think you have to narrow down that you want first. There's a ton of less expensive f1.8 & f1.7 primes around 23-35 from Viltrox and TTArtisan now that are worth a look too.
Any suggestions would be VERY welcome. All the choices make this very confusing to someone that is pretty inexperienced....
That's fair, I'd start by narrowing down what focal lengths you enjoy using with the 18-135, then look at reviews by Dustin Abbott and/or PhillipReeve.net, they've covered a lot of APS-C primes lately, not that there's anything wrong with the Sigma 23/1.4 & 30/1.4.

The 16/1.4 is a pretty beefy lens, unless you're really looking for the extra light gathering at the low end (for low light and/or astro) it might or might not be the best choice. By the same token the UWA zooms like the 10-18/2.8 (and primes at the start of the range) are a whole different world for a whole different purpose.

You may have heard this before but shooting ultra wide (basically anything under 16mm on APS-C) is more about playing with perspective and proportions than about "getting it all in", stitching is often as good or a better solution to the latter. I love shooting UWA because it's a challenging thing composition-wise, but it's definitely more of a want than a need.

If you want something that's for general use in low light and for an extra degree of subject isolation, then I think you're better served by a fast prime in the 23-35mm range, but again you should figure that out by looking at what focal lengths you favor with the 18-135. If you don't wanna mess with primes then the Sigma 18-50/2.8 DN would be a fine alternative to the 18-135 in low light, etc.

I prefer having fast primes and slow zooms, others would rather stick to zooms of different kinds, that's an eternal and subjective debate and a lot of people end up with a mix of it all anyway. I've stuck to longer zooms with longer range for convenience and faster primes for low light and subject isolation, and on APS-C I'd be even more inclined to do so.

An f2.8 zoom will still achieve that to some degree, but as you suggested it's not as big of a jump. In fact shooting the 18-135 at say 70/5.6 will still achieve more subject isolation than an 18-50/2.8 zoom at 30/2.8, ~35/2.8 is about where the latter would break even and by 50/2.8 it has an edge there.

Whereas a 30/1.7 prime can match 50/2.8 at a shorter and generally more useful focal length (for isolation, obviously this all varies depending on subject distance etc., this is just one useful way of looking at what you get with the extra speed, beyond a lower ISO). I'm literally just dividing the FL by the aperture here. The 70-350 is a great complement to the 18-135 btw.
 
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I have gotten more active with my Sony a6500 camera lately and am looking for recommendations for two lenses to supplement my current setup. Right now, I have:
  • a Sony 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS APS-C (model SEL 18135). This is the standard walking-around lens I leave on the camera full time.
  • a Sony 55–210 mm F4.5-6.3 OSS APS-C (model SEL 55210); and
  • a Sony PZ 16–50 mm F3.5–5.6 OSS APS-C (model SELP 1650) that I basically never use.
I'm looking to upgrade what I have to be more flexible and, well, better. For example, I have already decided to sell the 55-210 and the PZ16-50 and purchase the SEL70350G (70-355) lens.
Good move, 70-350 is great compact lens for wildlife.
What do I need to have a decent but not crazy expensive bag?

A) Should I get something better for low light situations that can also do bokeh? I was thinking something like Sigma 10-18mm F2.8 DC DN or Sony 16-55mm 2.8 SELG?
Ultrawide 10-18 will be poor for bokeh. I would switch 18- 135 for 16-55 or just add fast prime. I would consider Sigma 23f1.4 or 30f1.4. If you are on budget, eg. Viltrox offer cheaper alternatives.
B) Is 2.8 enough of a difference in light to be materially better than the Sony 18-135 that has F3.5? Am I better off with a 1.4 or 1.8? Something like the:
It's more about f2.8 VS f5.6 on long end.
  1. Sony E 35mm f1.8 OSS Lens - budget friendly, compact, not such good reviews?
  2. Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens - budget friendly, bright, relatively large.
  3. Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN
Any suggestions would be VERY welcome. All the choices make this very confusing to someone that is pretty inexperienced....
 
If you were looking to buy one lens that was under $1000, could handle low light AND do a good job with a closeup of a flower or something and also do a decent job with bokeh for an APS-C camera, what would it be?
 
I have gotten more active with my Sony a6500 camera lately and am looking for recommendations for two lenses to supplement my current setup. Right now, I have:
  • a Sony 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS APS-C (model SEL 18135). This is the standard walking-around lens I leave on the camera full time.
I replaced a 16-50/3.5-5.6 with the 18-135 and it's my most used lens, too. I never went for the 55-210 as I built my mirror-less kit up. The 16-50 is a handy small lens but I don't find much use for it anymore.
  • a Sony 55–210 mm F4.5-6.3 OSS APS-C (model SEL 55210); and
  • a Sony PZ 16–50 mm F3.5–5.6 OSS APS-C (model SELP 1650) that I basically never use.
I'm looking to upgrade what I have to be more flexible and, well, better. For example, I have already decided to sell the 55-210 and the PZ16-50 and purchase the SEL70350G (70-355) lens.
I have the 70-350. I like it. If you are thinking eventually going to FF there might be some other choices but it's a good lens.
What do I need to have a decent but not crazy expensive bag?

A) Should I get something better for low light situations that can also do bokeh? I was thinking something like Sigma 10-18mm F2.8 DC DN or Sony 16-55mm 2.8 SELG?
The noise reduction software programs in Lightroom, DxO and Topaz products are very effective.
B) Is 2.8 enough of a difference in light to be materially better than the Sony 18-135 that has F3.5? Am I better off with a 1.4 or 1.8? Something like the:
I use the 18-135, it's not as "fast" as the sigma 18-50/2.8 or 16-55/2.8 Sony but with its convenient longer focal length range means I don't need a second lens to build on the shorter xx-55 type lenses.

I think if wanting to get the subject separation benefits, the f1.4 and f1.8 primes will be handier. (Note that the noise reduction, lens blur and resolution enhancement toolscan be useful as well.)
  1. Sony E 35mm f1.8 OSS Lens - budget friendly, compact, not such good reviews?
  2. Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens - budget friendly, bright, relatively large.
  3. Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN
I don't use primes often but there are a variety of smaller and lighter ff primes which might be worth considering, too. The 35/1.8 mentioned above has OSS that the 30/1.4 doesn't so can be considered for some applications.
Any suggestions would be VERY welcome. All the choices make this very confusing to someone that is pretty inexperienced....
 
If you were looking to buy one lens that was under $1000, could handle low light AND do a good job with a closeup of a flower or something and also do a decent job with bokeh for an APS-C camera, what would it be?
If you're setting the budget that high it feels like you're looking for something that really stands out, regardless it's hard to boil it down like that with no regards to focal length preferences, size/weight tolerance, etc.

I'd probably have the Viltrox 27/1.2, Sigma 23/1.4 DN, and Viltrox 25/1.7 Air on my shortlist... Those run the gamut as far as size and price but they're well regarded, that's just me though because I tend to favor 35-40 equivalent focal lengths. If you like shooting a bit tighter or want even more potential isolation then the Sigma 30/1.4 DN and a few other 35s would be worth a closet look.
 
The Sigma 30 DC DN is a lovely lens for aps-c. For a long time it was my "standard" on my a 6500. It got replaced by the Tamron 17-70 2.8 which is now my main lens on that camera, which is my main camera for trips and holidays.

Given your current range of kit, I'd say that you are absolutely ready for... a fast prime!

But which one? In the end, only you can say, from the pictures that you like to take and focal lengths you prefer to use. It's a pity to buy stuff that lives in the cupboard. But I'd nudge you in the direction of that Sigma 30. A fast 'standard' is never a bad thing to have.
 
I have gotten more active with my Sony a6500 camera lately and am looking for recommendations for two lenses to supplement my current setup. Right now, I have:
  • a Sony 18-135mm F3.5-5.6 OSS APS-C (model SEL 18135). This is the standard walking-around lens I leave on the camera full time.
  • a Sony 55–210 mm F4.5-6.3 OSS APS-C (model SEL 55210); and
  • a Sony PZ 16–50 mm F3.5–5.6 OSS APS-C (model SELP 1650) that I basically never use.
I'm looking to upgrade what I have to be more flexible and, well, better. For example, I have already decided to sell the 55-210 and the PZ16-50 and purchase the SEL70350G (70-355) lens.
As an alternative to Sony's 70-350/4.5-6.3, you might consider Tamron's 50-300/4.5-6.3. Now, yes, the 70-350 is, by all accounts, an excellent lens. But, the Tamron is a 35mm-format FE lens that's only 8mm longer and 40g heavier, and it has some advantages. First, minimum focusing distance is 8.7 inches, yielding a quasi-macro magnification of 0.5x, whereas the Sony's MFD is 3.6 feet. Second, it's $100 cheaper. And third, it's an FE lens, which means you'll get all the 35mm-format goodness out of an FE camera's sensor if you decide to upgrade your kit later. Plus, the 50-300 has won applause from rigorous reviewers like Dustin Abbott and Christopher Frost.

Size comparison here.
What do I need to have a decent but not crazy expensive bag?

A) Should I get something better for low light situations that can also do bokeh? I was thinking something like Sigma 10-18mm F2.8 DC DN or Sony 16-55mm 2.8 SELG?
When you say "low light" and "bokeh", I think of f1.4 primes, not f2.8 zooms. If you're thinking of handheld nighttime scenes or action, a 16mm f1.2 or f1.4 prime can be had for $300-$400.

Also, do you want something wider than your 16-50? You say you never use it. Is that because it's not much wider than your 18-135, or do you just not care to shoot that wide much?
B) Is 2.8 enough of a difference in light to be materially better than the Sony 18-135 that has F3.5?
Well, the 18-135 is f3.5 only at 18mm. The f-ratio decreases to f4 and f5.6 pretty quickly as you zoom in.
Am I better off with a 1.4 or 1.8? Something like the:
  1. Sony E 35mm f1.8 OSS Lens - budget friendly, compact, not such good reviews?
  2. Sigma 30mm f1.4 DC DN Contemporary Lens - budget friendly, bright, relatively large.
  3. Sigma 16mm f/1.4 DC DN
16mm is very different from 30mm/35mm. I think you should pick your preferred focal length first, then find candidates.
Any suggestions would be VERY welcome. All the choices make this very confusing to someone that is pretty inexperienced....
If you have any thoughts about moving to a 35mm-format Sony camera in the next few years, consider something like a Tamron 17-28/2.8 or 20-40/2.8 and the 50-300.

If you're committed to APS-C, then the 18-135 is a decent and handy walkabout lens. The 70-350 or 50-300 extend your reach. A 16/1.4 or 23/1.4 would be my choice for a first low-light lens. As for going wider, you haven't indicated whether that's a priority or just a possibility.

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Event professional for 20+ years, travel & landscape enthusiast for 30+, stills-only.
http://jacquescornell.photography
http://happening.photos
 
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If you were looking to buy one lens that was under $1000, could handle low light AND do a good job with a closeup of a flower or something and also do a decent job with bokeh for an APS-C camera, what would it be?
I'd be looking at lenses in the 23mm-27mm range with max apertures of f1.2 or f1.4, and plan to get a set of AF extension tubes for closeups. I recently got a set of Vitrox tubes for $35, and so far they work fine.

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Event professional for 20+ years, travel & landscape enthusiast for 30+, stills-only.
http://jacquescornell.photography
http://happening.photos
 
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