Patrick T. Kelly
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I used the night mode once and then never again. I would like to see changes in the camera UI but changes in the in camera processing would be nice, too.
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Djingonthenet
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Unless I'm reading it wrong, on the Xiaomi UK store you get the Pad 7 pro (£449) free, 120w charger free, the photography kit for 99p and £130 off coupon.... So all of that for £1169.
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iPhone just got destroyed,
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Xiaomi 15 Ultra Camera test
Explore the Xiaomi Ultra 15 camera, featuring groundbreaking technology with four sensors, including a stunning 200MP, and top-notch performance in photography
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Yeah, we know, but looking at their ranking you would never know that's the case.
More importantly than this, did the interface changed? For the better?
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15U cam interface? yes. I never use DXO to see rankings, i rank myself, they are only good to provide the full res samples, nothing else.
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Destroyed?
Could you use words that are a little more appropriate? It's frankly tiring to read this kind of comment, which is more like an MMA fight than a smartphone comparison. We're not kids looking to own the best toy in the world, the others being just good for the trash. The same goes for DxO. You can think what you want. If you have a minimum of open-mindedness, you should be able to consider that others think differently. We are here to exchange and share experiences. Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand.
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This is the iPhones supposedly major area of expertise, SOOC jpgs, the Xiaomi has clearly produced significantly better images, if DxO ever discovered the pro mode on phones (RAW) then it would be an embarrassment for a brand that continuously boasts about its products.Destroyed?
Could you use words that are a little more appropriate? It's frankly tiring to read this kind of comment, which is more like an MMA fight than a smartphone comparison. We're not kids looking to own the best toy in the world, the others being just good for the trash. The same goes for DxO. You can think what you want. If you have a minimum of open-mindedness, you should be able to consider that others think differently. We are here to exchange and share experiences. Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand.
"Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand." - if the roles had been reversed here where the iPhone had produced the better images you would see a lot of flag waving and "go Apple" chanting across the board, not saying that would be the case here, just in general - as it happens now, when it's not warranted. Allowing brands other than the Triopoly to get credit where it's due shouldn't be frowned upon, it should be an incentive for the "big 3" to actually up their game once in a while - which I have always advocated for as it would benefit all consumers not just the shareholders which would in turn push the innovators to produce even more revolutionary and ground-breaking features.
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"Destroyed"? Maybe you should look at the overall DXO scores. The only area where the Ultra 15 really excels is the telephoto lens. Wide angle suffers.This is the iPhones supposedly major area of expertise, SOOC jpgs, the Xiaomi has clearly produced significantly better images, if DxO ever discovered the pro mode on phones (RAW) then it would be an embarrassment for a brand that continuously boasts about its products.Destroyed?
Could you use words that are a little more appropriate? It's frankly tiring to read this kind of comment, which is more like an MMA fight than a smartphone comparison. We're not kids looking to own the best toy in the world, the others being just good for the trash. The same goes for DxO. You can think what you want. If you have a minimum of open-mindedness, you should be able to consider that others think differently. We are here to exchange and share experiences. Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand.
"Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand." - if the roles had been reversed here where the iPhone had produced the better images you would see a lot of flag waving and "go Apple" chanting across the board, not saying that would be the case here, just in general - as it happens now, when it's not warranted. Allowing brands other than the Triopoly to get credit where it's due shouldn't be frowned upon, it should be an incentive for the "big 3" to actually up their game once in a while - which I have always advocated for as it would benefit all consumers not just the shareholders which would in turn push the innovators to produce even more revolutionary and ground-breaking features.
But yes, we all applaud innovation. Xiaomi clearly doing some amazing things. Watching their modular camera system development with great interest.
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André BARELIER
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I'm not discussing the respective merits of Apple or Xiaomi, or any other brand.This is the iPhones supposedly major area of expertise, SOOC jpgs, the Xiaomi has clearly produced significantly better images, if DxO ever discovered the pro mode on phones (RAW) then it would be an embarrassment for a brand that continuously boasts about its products.Destroyed?
Could you use words that are a little more appropriate? It's frankly tiring to read this kind of comment, which is more like an MMA fight than a smartphone comparison. We're not kids looking to own the best toy in the world, the others being just good for the trash. The same goes for DxO. You can think what you want. If you have a minimum of open-mindedness, you should be able to consider that others think differently. We are here to exchange and share experiences. Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand.
"Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand." - if the roles had been reversed here where the iPhone had produced the better images you would see a lot of flag waving and "go Apple" chanting across the board, not saying that would be the case here, just in general - as it happens now, when it's not warranted. Allowing brands other than the Triopoly to get credit where it's due shouldn't be frowned upon, it should be an incentive for the "big 3" to actually up their game once in a while - which I have always advocated for as it would benefit all consumers not just the shareholders which would in turn push the innovators to produce even more revolutionary and ground-breaking features.
My comment is about form, not substance.
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"We" already had this discussion and know that DxO "thinks differently" and how differently exactly it thinks and "we" came to the conclusion that they're wrong.
"First Rule of Using DxO: you don't look at their "scores".
(it's not about the iDevices, some brands and devices receive "mystifying" scores based on the samples they provide)
off: I'm glad to see that these brands are finally learning how to do digital zoom from the main cam without destroying IQ.
Took years and how they don't regress next year.
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André BARELIER
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I'm not talking about DxO thinking differently. I'm talking about people who do not think that DxO tests are BS. Which is not to say that their tests are entirely trustworthy.
I agree with what you wrote below: I couldn't care less about their scores, which make no sense to me. But I look at the test images, and I read the comments.
That said, my comment was less about DxO than about the sweeping judgements made about this or that brand of smartphone.
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I doubt it, there will be some nuance in the design that makes it unique to the 15 Ultra - most probably the camera bump has more of a slope to it this time round or the power and volume buttons will be 5mm to the left or right compared to the 14 ultra. The 13 ultra kit wasn't compatible with the 14 and vice-versa.
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I came across a video review on Telegram (in Chinese) where the reviewer tried the camera kits on both phones. The 15U grip portion mounts to the 14U case fine enough; the shutter button and zoom rocker work. The lock doesn't engage and the video button and control wheel don't seem to do anything. The reviewer didn't think to check the menu to see if the controls were customized in there. Charging wasn't tested.
The 14U grip wasn't able to be mounted on the 15U.
Destroyed?
Could you use words that are a little more appropriate? It's frankly tiring to read this kind of comment, which is more like an MMA fight than a smartphone comparison. We're not kids looking to own the best toy in the world, the others being just good for the trash. The same goes for DxO. You can think what you want. If you have a minimum of open-mindedness, you should be able to consider that others think differently. We are here to exchange and share experiences. Not to read peremptory judgments about this or that brand.
Sorry if this words are harsh for you, i don't plan to change the reality just because you are offended from simple words for a glass mini camera/computers, this are not living beings, humans, or are sentient so i'm pretty sure i can use normal geek language.
Why should i look for DXO mark overall scores? do you see the samples above? 90% of them are from the main (wide camera)
And yes they are from DXOmark test of 15U, does any other term explains them better? won by landslide? dismantled? run circles over? being run over? decimated?
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I agree with you dazed1, DXO is not worth reading due to inconsistency and contradicting samples (as we don't have own eyes). But, even Xiaomi explicitly said they were not chasing DXO scoring, dismissing their flawed methodology and I applauded them for it as I wholeheartedly agree - for example the 'king' of all phones is Huawei Pura. Seriously, the phone which cannot be used in a good part of the (west) world? Admittedly, one could live without Google services and far from banning it from access to Google being justified - but let's face it: great camera, not so usable phone.
Pixel 9Pro XL sits even above iPhone? Of course, no ball kicking in the dim light and ignore the smearing of details combined with the motion blur while still having ton of noise - all good, nothing to see here.... One doesn't want to step on the toe of the richest company in the World, nor insult the second one..... We are all grateful Musk in not making the phones - but when Pi happens, it will be the king.... Must be.
Back to their 'review' of 15U. As an example carrying over from U14 - 'shallow DOF, not everything in focus'. If only they discovered the 14U had variable aperture, which they didn't even mention. . Of course, 1" phone will have shallower DOF than the smaller one (guess they know it?). They obviously like infinite DOF and fake bokeh. But again, the samples speak for themselves - and show how flawed DXO scoring actually is. And if they can do such rubbish phone reviews, why would anyone believe in their real camera, sensors or lenses reviews?
Comment on 15U: The omission of variable aperture is the actual concern I have about it. Seems one cannot have it all.
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