What ever happened to DPP-Lightroom merger?

Does not seem like those bits from the videos actually transpired. Who knows. It may never happen or is still in the works. The only app I see in the Canon list is Adobe Premier Pro.

I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm waiting for non destructive Denoise
Are you talking about a version of Denoise that doesn’t require you to create a new DNG file? That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t use Denoise on LR (that, and the fact that DXO is at least as good, if not better).
Yes. It is an available with ACR. There is no slider to determine the amount. It just Denoises and after it’s still a RAW file which you can tune with a slider at any time during processing.

Makes no difference to me because DXO also creates DNG when the file comes back to LrC. What I hate about DXO is it creates its own collection that I have no control over.
That latter thing is something I've never noticed. I find any program that makes catalogues and collections and tries to reorganise my own filing system totally unnatural. DxO PhotoLab just opens any RAW image I double-click on in File Explorer and lets me browse the folder that image is in while I'm in the Customize window. It doesn't get upset when I move a sub-folder to a different folder or drive when PhotoLab isn't in use. It can display my whole file structure in the PhotoLibrary window and find images without trying to reorganise my filing system.
I don't care what anyone uses but just in case others are reading who may be interested.

LrC does not have it's own filing system. LrC never whisks your folders off to some unknown place to organise things on its own nor does create a duplicate set of files. As a user you are in total of how you set up your own folder system, control from where you import your files and where you wish to store them.

The only reason for importing is so the catalogue can read the files metadata and it knows where your files are located. The folder structure you see in the LrC Library page just mirrors your OS. You will see the same folder structure if you open PL, C1 Pro, ON1, Canon's DPP and so on. The catalogue is not your files. The catalogue is a separate database that works on the sidelines to keep record off your edits.

The only reason it gets upset is you move a folder without using LrC. Which is not a problem. It's like returning a book to the library, by-passing the librarian and putting it on some random shelf.

When you see this ! beside your folder just right click it and point to where you moved it. This is why it is easier to use LrC to move a folder instead of your OS. It is no more time consuming or more difficult to use LrC than it is to use the OS. When you move a folder using LrC the new location will be the same on your OS. I've been doing this for 14 years now and never a single issue with all the version and catalogue upgrades over those years.

I call it simple and basic maintenance. LrC just needs to know where you store your files, which is totally up to you. That's it.

Here is my folder structure in LrC. I keep all my files on an external drive named Photos.

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This is my Mac OS opened in my Photos drive. The only reason years 2006 to 2010 is missing in the LrC library is because I didn't start using LrC until 2011. I never imported 2006 to 2010 so it does not know they exist.

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Here is added 2025 to the LrC Libray

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Since LrC works with your OS it added that new folder automatically.

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Since DPP uses the same folder structure you can see it here as well.

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Canon would do better to work on improving DPP's GUI and functionality than on tying it into other programs.
People who don’t understand the catalogue system have commented about how LrC takes control. It doesn't. I have complete control over everything expect what DXO does. Just a personal thing.
and the the new Adobe Adaptive colour profile to show up in LrC.
I think that's a helpful description.

I think, correct me if I am wrong but it does allow files during import to be copied, moved etc?
Yes it does all of that. Likely new users are not aware of this and their folder disappears. Folders only go where they are instructed to. I have not changed these instructions for over 10 years.

Import Page. Left is the source. Centre shows instructions to copy, add, etc. Right shows location. Bottom right arrow shows where I can select an import preset.

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1. I create a new folder on the desktop named based on my shoot

2. I plug in the card

3. I copy all the files off the card and to that new folder. This way if something goes wrong I still have the files on the card. Still waiting for something to go wrong :-)

4. I Pre-cull that folder using Canon's DPP but this is an extra step you don't need to do.

5. I drag that new folder into LrC and it imports but it's instructed to stay on my desktop.

6. I edit from the desktop because that is my fastest drive. It also reminds me of what I'm working on.

7. When done, using LrC I drag that folder to my external drive. I often continue to edit files that were moved to the external drive.

As a test I've also opened Canon's DPP, edited files that were imported into LrC and it did not effect LrC edits. I'm pretty sure I could do that using any non destructive editor. I have no need to do that because LrC is my main editor. Anything I use outside of LrC is via plugins.
I've not been very proficient at getting it to track outputs (exported files) but likely that's lack of my own capability.
Thankyou.

My only variance is they get imported to a folder that is within my GDrive (handled via Explorer) so they start syncing.

It's an old system dating back 20 years. A simple Years, Month. I split video off inside each album/folder.

Once the internet has done it's thing I have it across the Adobe cloud, Google and at some point backups that get done for reasons other than pics.
Sounds good. There are so many options to chose from.

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I roll with pleasing colour
 
Does not seem like those bits from the videos actually transpired. Who knows. It may never happen or is still in the works. The only app I see in the Canon list is Adobe Premier Pro.

I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm waiting for non destructive Denoise
Are you talking about a version of Denoise that doesn’t require you to create a new DNG file? That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t use Denoise on LR (that, and the fact that DXO is at least as good, if not better).
Yes. It is an available with ACR. There is no slider to determine the amount. It just Denoises and after it’s still a RAW file which you can tune with a slider at any time during processing.

Makes no difference to me because DXO also creates DNG when the file comes back to LrC. What I hate about DXO is it creates its own collection that I have no control over. People who don’t understand the catalogue system have commented about how LrC takes control. It doesn't. I have complete control over everything expect what DXO does. Just a personal thing.
I think this is an area I'm personally not so strong with but Adobe does make things relatively easy that even I can manage to work the catalogue side. Backup to gdrive is easy.
New users just have to get past the first part. Your files are not the catalogue. They are just your files. The catalogue is a database (excel on sterirds) which works on the sidelines and records your edits, key wording, etc. LrC or the catalogue just needs to know where your files are located. That is the only very important thing you need to remember. Very quickly it becomes like driving your car. You don't think about pressing the gas peddle or brake. That only happens when you are learning how to drive.
Just to add to what Sittatunga said. When you open DXO you see your folder structure. It is not a folder structure DXO created. It's looking at your folder structure your created on your OS or an external drive.

Same goes for LrC. It does not create its own folder structure. It's looking at the same one DXO or any other software would see when you open it.
Not sure if it can be worked with something like GIThub but seems to work just fine via Azure.

Im sure it does more than I'm getting out of it
and the the new Adobe Adaptive colour profile to show up in LrC.
A few new updates, some catalogue related.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-classic/help/whats-new.html?trackingid=P3KMQNLV&mv=in-product
Yes Adobe added the Adaptive Preset colour file I've been talking about.
 
Does not seem like those bits from the videos actually transpired. Who knows. It may never happen or is still in the works. The only app I see in the Canon list is Adobe Premier Pro.

I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm waiting for non destructive Denoise
Are you talking about a version of Denoise that doesn’t require you to create a new DNG file? That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t use Denoise on LR (that, and the fact that DXO is at least as good, if not better).
Yes. It is an available with ACR. There is no slider to determine the amount. It just Denoises and after it’s still a RAW file which you can tune with a slider at any time during processing.

Makes no difference to me because DXO also creates DNG when the file comes back to LrC. What I hate about DXO is it creates its own collection that I have no control over. People who don’t understand the catalogue system have commented about how LrC takes control. It doesn't. I have complete control over everything expect what DXO does. Just a personal thing.
I think this is an area I'm personally not so strong with but Adobe does make things relatively easy that even I can manage to work the catalogue side. Backup to gdrive is easy.
New users just have to get past the first part. Your files are not the catalogue. They are just your files. The catalogue is a database (excel on sterirds) which works on the sidelines and records your edits, key wording, etc. LrC or the catalogue just needs to know where your files are located. That is the only very important thing you need to remember. Very quickly it becomes like driving your car. You don't think about pressing the gas peddle or brake. That only happens when you are learning how to drive.
Indeed. Adding the meta data is handy or becomes handy.

I don't know how old it is but it's basic but flexible.
Another example of my process for others who are reading. The catalogue is small because I set a new one up for each trip I take. When I get home I will merge this catalogue to the master one I've shown in previous examples. It only takes a few steps.

I could easily set up LrC so during import it removes the files off a card and moves them to where I store them. I just prefer the desktop method. It's only a few simple steps.

Portugal 2025 is where my files are stored for this trip. They are backed up to Photos by CCC.

I was at Alvor yesterday. I dragged that folder into LrC and imported the files. The folder remained it the same location because I'm set up that way for all importing.

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In the LrC Library it shows where my folders are located. I then dragged that folder to Portugal 2025.

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As you can see Alvor is now in Portugal 2025 folder which is the Portuguese flag icon open my desktop.

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LrC moved that folder to the new location automatically. I could have done this using DXO, etc by using the OS. Just as easy.

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Not sure if it can be worked with something like GIThub but seems to work just fine via Azure.

Im sure it does more than I'm getting out of it
and the the new Adobe Adaptive colour profile to show up in LrC.


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I roll with pleasing colour
 
Does not seem like those bits from the videos actually transpired. Who knows. It may never happen or is still in the works. The only app I see in the Canon list is Adobe Premier Pro.

I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm waiting for non destructive Denoise
Are you talking about a version of Denoise that doesn’t require you to create a new DNG file? That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t use Denoise on LR (that, and the fact that DXO is at least as good, if not better).
Yes. It is an available with ACR. There is no slider to determine the amount. It just Denoises and after it’s still a RAW file which you can tune with a slider at any time during processing.

Makes no difference to me because DXO also creates DNG when the file comes back to LrC. What I hate about DXO is it creates its own collection that I have no control over.
That latter thing is something I've never noticed. I find any program that makes catalogues and collections and tries to reorganise my own filing system totally unnatural. DxO PhotoLab just opens any RAW image I double-click on in File Explorer and lets me browse the folder that image is in while I'm in the Customize window. It doesn't get upset when I move a sub-folder to a different folder or drive when PhotoLab isn't in use. It can display my whole file structure in the PhotoLibrary window and find images without trying to reorganise my filing system.-
I agree 100%. I never got to grips with the LR Catalog - in fact it trashed itself at least twice before I gave up on it completely. I have my own cataloguing system and DXO works seamlessly for me. I do my RAW conversions in DXO then further processing in ACR and PL. it’s good that there are so many options available to us, each to his own.
 
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Does not seem like those bits from the videos actually transpired. Who knows. It may never happen or is still in the works. The only app I see in the Canon list is Adobe Premier Pro.

I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm waiting for non destructive Denoise
Are you talking about a version of Denoise that doesn’t require you to create a new DNG file? That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t use Denoise on LR (that, and the fact that DXO is at least as good, if not better).
Yes. It is an available with ACR. There is no slider to determine the amount. It just Denoises and after it’s still a RAW file which you can tune with a slider at any time during processing.

Makes no difference to me because DXO also creates DNG when the file comes back to LrC. What I hate about DXO is it creates its own collection that I have no control over.
That latter thing is something I've never noticed. I find any program that makes catalogues and collections and tries to reorganise my own filing system totally unnatural. DxO PhotoLab just opens any RAW image I double-click on in File Explorer and lets me browse the folder that image is in while I'm in the Customize window. It doesn't get upset when I move a sub-folder to a different folder or drive when PhotoLab isn't in use. It can display my whole file structure in the PhotoLibrary window and find images without trying to reorganise my filing system.-
I agree 100%. I never got to grips with the LR Catalog - in fact it trashed itself at least twice before I gave up on it completely. I have my own cataloguing system and DXO works seamlessly for me. I do my RAW conversions in DXO then further processing in ACR and PL. it’s good that there are so many options available to us, each to his own.
14 years starting with LR5 and never a single crash. I save links from those issues and it typically leads to file management, which is very easy to maintain. Folders all over the place and users have good intent of re-establishing broken links but forget to do so. I’m not saying this happened to you but it is what I see most often.
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.

It has only been mentioned then I think and after that very silent. Nothing on any rumoursites either.

Has anyone heard anything?
Any link to the original news article? I remember it just can't find it
It's mentioned here @02:53. Not by Canon though


Here are some images from the presentation

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Ah thank you. That's exactly what I was trying to remember.

I haven't found any more information regarding DPP in LrC, NNiP in LrC, using CRN files in LrC.

Maybe the Canon Neural networks forgot about it 😀

NNiP app / software seems to use a .CRN file format.

 
Does not seem like those bits from the videos actually transpired. Who knows. It may never happen or is still in the works. The only app I see in the Canon list is Adobe Premier Pro.

I'm not going to hold my breath. I'm waiting for non destructive Denoise
Are you talking about a version of Denoise that doesn’t require you to create a new DNG file? That’s probably the biggest reason why I don’t use Denoise on LR (that, and the fact that DXO is at least as good, if not better).
Yes. It is an available with ACR. There is no slider to determine the amount. It just Denoises and after it’s still a RAW file which you can tune with a slider at any time during processing.

Makes no difference to me because DXO also creates DNG when the file comes back to LrC. What I hate about DXO is it creates its own collection that I have no control over. People who don’t understand the catalogue system have commented about how LrC takes control. It doesn't. I have complete control over everything expect what DXO does. Just a personal thing.
I think this is an area I'm personally not so strong with but Adobe does make things relatively easy that even I can manage to work the catalogue side. Backup to gdrive is easy.
New users just have to get past the first part. Your files are not the catalogue. They are just your files. The catalogue is a database (excel on sterirds) which works on the sidelines and records your edits, key wording, etc. LrC or the catalogue just needs to know where your files are located. That is the only very important thing you need to remember. Very quickly it becomes like driving your car. You don't think about pressing the gas peddle or brake. That only happens when you are learning how to drive.
Indeed. Adding the meta data is handy or becomes handy.

I don't know how old it is but it's basic but flexible.
Another example of my process for others who are reading. The catalogue is small because I set a new one up for each trip I take. When I get home I will merge this catalogue to the master one I've shown in previous examples. It only takes a few steps.

I could easily set up LrC so during import it removes the files off a card and moves them to where I store them. I just prefer the desktop method. It's only a few simple steps.

Portugal 2025 is where my files are stored for this trip. They are backed up to Photos by CCC.

I was at Alvor yesterday. I dragged that folder into LrC and imported the files. The folder remained it the same location because I'm set up that way for all importing.

8a003abad75b4afcb70ba47eef90ada2.jpg

In the LrC Library it shows where my folders are located. I then dragged that folder to Portugal 2025.

795199aa0ad04cc19c019412db915320.jpg

As you can see Alvor is now in Portugal 2025 folder which is the Portuguese flag icon open my desktop.

f9aedf4a2fb747cab16eeb568ce4f68f.jpg

LrC moved that folder to the new location automatically. I could have done this using DXO, etc by using the OS. Just as easy.

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Not sure if it can be worked with something like GIThub but seems to work just fine via Azure.

Im sure it does more than I'm getting out of it
and the the new Adobe Adaptive colour profile to show up in LrC.
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I roll with pleasing colour
Will have a look at this with LrC in front of me.
 
To delete duplicate Lightroom photos, you can install software. Software like Duplicate Photos Fixer Pro works well and supports multiple file formats.
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.

It has only been mentioned then I think and after that very silent. Nothing on any rumoursites either.

Has anyone heard anything?
My $0.02:

Any collaboration that gets Adobe's blessing can't be native for Windows-on-Intel, alone.

The first "M1" Apple Silicon Macs are now approaching their fifth birthday. Yet we've never seen native Apple Silicon (or Windows-ARM) desktop apps from Canon. A five-year wait for active development? In tech that's as crystal-clear a message as they come: "it's never going to happen."

Adobe of course took Apple's ARM transition seriously from the start--they were among the first big software shops to leverage native Apple Silicon possibilities.

And rightly so: Adobe has many Apple customers; Adobe's given every signal they appreciate the importance of the Mac user base to their business. Canon's refusal to offer native desktop software for this cohort would almost certainly halt any true collaborative development activity. Can anyone here honestly imagine Adobe reps on stage at next year's MAX, punctuating all of their futuristic Firefly and Frame.io announcements with, "Hey, here's an extra special Lightroom "Classic" plugin just for you Canon + Wintel users out there . . . " :-D I hate to sound crass but, as even Microsoft now backs away from x86 and as PE vultures circle both Intel and the margins of the Japanese camera industry, anyone shilling a one-off LR Classic plugin just for the "Canon + Wintel crew out there" better be arriving on stage in Doc Brown's DeLorean, fire-tracks straight from 2010.

You might say that Canon's software shop has kept itself "busy" backing horses that haven't had the wind for a looooong time. Adobe's past it. Write those presentation slides off, folks--as long as we're waiting for Apple Silicon DPP from Canon, they're a bounced cheque.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.

It has only been mentioned then I think and after that very silent. Nothing on any rumoursites either.

Has anyone heard anything?
My $0.02:

Any collaboration that gets Adobe's blessing can't be native for Windows-on-Intel, alone.

The first "M1" Apple Silicon Macs are now approaching their fifth birthday. Yet we've never seen native Apple Silicon (or Windows-ARM) desktop apps from Canon. A five-year wait for active development? In tech that's as crystal-clear a message as they come: "it's never going to happen."
When using an Mx chipset does DPP get emulated? And either way doesn't that show that it is compatible?

A version is available for iPAD - is that native?

Canon have apps for android.
Adobe of course took Apple's ARM transition seriously from the start--they were among the first big software shops to leverage native Apple Silicon possibilities.

And rightly so: Adobe has many Apple customers; Adobe's given every signal they appreciate the importance of the Mac user base to their business. Canon's refusal to offer native desktop software for this cohort would almost certainly halt any true collaborative development activity. Can anyone here honestly imagine Adobe reps on stage at next year's MAX, punctuating all of their futuristic Firefly and Frame.io announcements with, "Hey, here's an extra special Lightroom "Classic" plugin just for you Canon + Wintel users out there . . . " :-D I hate to sound crass but, as even Microsoft now backs away from x86 and as PE vultures circle both Intel and the margins of the Japanese camera industry, anyone shilling a one-off LR Classic plugin just for the "Canon + Wintel crew out there" better be arriving on stage in Doc Brown's DeLorean, fire-tracks straight from 2010.

You might say that Canon's software shop has kept itself "busy" backing horses that haven't had the wind for a looooong time. Adobe's past it. Write those presentation slides off, folks--as long as we're waiting for Apple Silicon DPP from Canon, they're a bounced cheque.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.

It has only been mentioned then I think and after that very silent. Nothing on any rumoursites either.

Has anyone heard anything?
My $0.02:

Any collaboration that gets Adobe's blessing can't be native for Windows-on-Intel, alone.

The first "M1" Apple Silicon Macs are now approaching their fifth birthday. Yet we've never seen native Apple Silicon (or Windows-ARM) desktop apps from Canon. A five-year wait for active development? In tech that's as crystal-clear a message as they come: "it's never going to happen."
When using an Mx chipset does DPP get emulated? And either way doesn't that show that it is compatible?
DPP does run on Apple Silicon in an emulated translation. SLOWLY! VERY VERY VERY SLOWLY. The problem isn't so much outright "does it work or not?" as it is the emulated code's inability to leverage massive performance gains Apple Silicon offers, particularly at the GPU level. If you're running DPP on an Intel Macbook from 2016 . . . that's how well it performs on an M4 Max Macbook Pro from 2024, despite the M4 Max being many, many, many times faster. Adobe would never associate their brand with it.

Even if DPP ran more briskly in Rosetta emulation (again, it does not), any software integrated deeply into Adobe's code base--which a true plugin would have to be--would also have to be universal like Adobe's code base. Making DPP "part of" Lightroom would mean it'd have to run natively everywhere Lightroom runs natively. Apple Silicon would have to be on the menu.
A version is available for iPAD - is that native?
YES!

DPP express, which Canon has offered since 2018, is a native Apple Silicon app. Which means it also would run marvelously on Apple Silicon Macs, as is, no further development required, IF Canon would only flip the switch in its Apple developer account to offer the App on the Mac App Store. Canon could have done this at any time since 2020 . . . and has not.

Worth saying again: Canon could have offered a fine native DPP solution for Apple Silicon Macs from Day One. Wouldn't have required any further development or investment on their part.

They've chosen not to.
Canon have apps for android.
Yep!

More of the same story, there: Android phones run on ARM architectures, too. So clearly Canon's shop can develop native apps for ARM.

So why have customers been waiting for them on the desktop for five years?

Five years is longer than the whole product lifespan of professional-grade products like the R5, introduced in 2020 and replaced in late 2024. Think about that: while Canon's software shop has inexplicably dithered and delayed, the R5 came and went. Two generations of R6 will have come and gone.

Worth wondering what Adobe's people must think of this. Would you take Canon's software operation seriously, if you were them? I wouldn't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.

It has only been mentioned then I think and after that very silent. Nothing on any rumoursites either.

Has anyone heard anything?
My $0.02:

Any collaboration that gets Adobe's blessing can't be native for Windows-on-Intel, alone.

The first "M1" Apple Silicon Macs are now approaching their fifth birthday. Yet we've never seen native Apple Silicon (or Windows-ARM) desktop apps from Canon. A five-year wait for active development? In tech that's as crystal-clear a message as they come: "it's never going to happen."
When using an Mx chipset does DPP get emulated? And either way doesn't that show that it is compatible?
DPP does run on Apple Silicon in an emulated translation. SLOWLY! VERY VERY VERY SLOWLY. The problem isn't so much outright "does it work or not?" as it is the emulated code's inability to leverage massive performance gains Apple Silicon offers, particularly at the GPU level. If you're running DPP on an Intel Macbook from 2016 . . . that's how well it performs on an M4 Max Macbook Pro from 2024, despite the M4 Max being many, many, many times faster. Adobe would never associate their brand with it.

Even if DPP ran more briskly in Rosetta emulation (again, it does not), any software integrated deeply into Adobe's code base--which a true plugin would have to be--would also have to be universal like Adobe's code base. Making DPP "part of" Lightroom would mean it'd have to run natively everywhere Lightroom runs natively. Apple Silicon would have to be on the menu.
A version is available for iPAD - is that native?
YES!

DPP express, which Canon has offered since 2018, is a native Apple Silicon app. Which means it also would run marvelously on an Apple Silicon Macs, as is, no further development required, IF Canon would only flip the switch in its Apple developer account to offer the App on the Mac App Store. Canon could have done this at any time since 2020 . . . and has not.

Worth saying again: Canon could have offered a fine native DPP solution for Apple Silicon Macs from Day One. Wouldn't have required any further development or investment on their part.

They've chosen not to.
Canon have apps for android.
Yep!

More of the same story, there: Android phones run on ARM architectures, too. So clearly Canon's shop can develop native apps for ARM.

So why have customers been waiting for them on the desktop for five years?

Five years is longer than the whole product lifespan of professional-grade products like the R5, introduced in 2020 and replaced in late 2024. Think about that: while Canon's software shop has inexplicably dithered and delayed, the R5 came and went.

Worth wondering what Adobe's people must think of this. Would you take Canon's software operation seriously, if you were them?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In summary. Software from Canon is available for ARM via android and ARM via Apple.

It's also available on windows and apple machines running x86.in both cases it sounds like it's slow - I don't think apple is a penalty here.

We use Canon software regularly for work purposes. Can I think of aspects which would be lovely if better, of course.

Could I do that with Adobe (also use regularly). Of course - why beta versions ring fenced into one part of the ecosystem for example.

I'm not sure from this account that it would suggest Adobe and Canon will be backing out of something advertised.

Which camera and lens manufacturer does Adobe systems most often process? What percentage is Canon (or any brand)? Without the pictures one wouldn't be using LrC and PS quite so often .
 
In summary. Software from Canon is available for ARM via android and ARM via Apple.
Emphatically, that is incorrect.

Canon software for mobile ARM platforms is available. This includes Android and iOS (iPad, iPhone).

Canon software for desktop ARM platforms, such as MacOS and Windows on ARM, is not available.

Mac users cannot currently install DPP for iPad (not because it wouldn't work properly at any point in the last five years, but because Canon will not allow it). Windows ARM users cannot currently download or install any native DPP solution.
It's also available on windows and apple machines running x86.in both cases it sounds like it's slow - I don't think apple is a penalty here.
Emphatically, that is incorrect.

DPP compiled for x86 Windows, running on an x86 machine, can deploy the computer's GPU.

DPP compiled for x86 Mac OS, running through Rosetta translation on an Apple Silicon Mac, cannot leverage the computer's GPU capabilities. It performs very, very poorly for this reason.
I'm not sure from this account that it would suggest Adobe and Canon will be backing out of something advertised.
Because this would be the first time Canon bounced a cheque?

Untrue.

Here's an interesting question: has Adobe ever acknowledged participation in this plugin?

They have not.
Which camera and lens manufacturer does Adobe systems most often process?
In 2025? Sony.

There are more Canon shooters, more by far. But are there more Canon shooters processing RAW in Adobe products? I'd be interested to see. As of 2025 . . . I'd bet the race is tight.

Have you forgotten Adobe's interesting dither on whether (or how deeply) they'd support the .cr3 file format? How much does Adobe worry about Canon? One way to assess this question: they worry "so much" that they didn't bother with camera-matching profiles for the first half of the R5's product lifespan. They worry "so much" that they never bothered with matching profiles at all for the higher-volume RP and several other .cr3 bodies.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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In summary. Software from Canon is available for ARM via android and ARM via Apple.
Emphatically, that is incorrect.

Canon software for mobile ARM platforms is available. This includes Android and iOS (iPad, iPhone).
Which are both ARM systems. You appear to agree with me.

Can you say it unavailable for arm systems?
Canon software for desktop ARM platforms, such as MacOS and Windows on ARM, is not available.
That's different.
Mac users cannot currently install DPP for iPad (not because it wouldn't work properly at any point in the last five years, but because Canon will not allow it). Windows ARM users cannot currently download or install any native DPP solution.
iPad users can download Canons DPP Express. Which encompasses Canon, ARM, DPP, Apple and iPAD. bingo - 180 !
It's also available on windows and apple machines running x86.in both cases it sounds like it's slow - I don't think apple is a penalty here.
Emphatically, that is incorrect.

DPP compiled for x86 Windows, running on an x86 machine, can deploy the computer's GPU.
I didn't mention what sub processing systems it uses. What I did say it is slow - running on a 64Gb RAID 5090 laptop it's slow. So, it's slow.
DPP compiled for x86 Mac OS, running through Rosetta translation on an Apple Silicon Mac, cannot leverage the computer's GPU capabilities. It performs very, very poorly for this reason.
It also performs slowly (I'm not sure if poorly is the same) on intel systems.
I'm not sure from this account that it would suggest Adobe and Canon will be backing out of something advertised.
Because this would be the first time Canon bounced a cheque?
There are two parties not one. Have they said this isn't happening? I've not seen evidence. Perhaps you could provide?
What's untrue?
Here's an interesting question: has Adobe ever acknowledged participation in this plugin?
I have never personally asked them. Sounds like a question between canon and Adobe that would be impossible for me to know the answer to.
They have not.
Perhaps you really mean you don't know rather than they don't know
Which camera and lens manufacturer does Adobe systems most often process?
In 2025? Sony.
Perhaps, however I tend to work from evidence. I don't have any, and I suspect it's not publically available l.
There are more Canon shooters, more by far. But are there more Canon shooters processing RAW in Adobe products? I'd be interested to see. As of 2025 . . . I'd bet the race is tight
You said Sony?
.

Have you forgotten Adobe's interesting dither on whether (or how deeply) they'd support the .cr3 file format? How much does Adobe worry about Canon? One way to assess this question: they worry "so much" that they didn't bother with camera-matching profiles for the first half of the R5's product lifespan. They worry "so much" that they never bothered with matching profiles at all for the higher-volume RP and several other .cr3 bodies.
How quickly did the R52 and r1 profiles come?

You have spotted something that tells us it took some months for a profile to become available. The odd thing is you seem to know exactly why.

I don't.

So, we have DPP products running on both android and apple ARM systems. Easy to check, just go to your related app store.

Does how fast DPP runs on any of these platforms have a link to whether this rumor (it's a rumor) is true? Sounds a novel speculation.

DPP also support Nvidia's CUDA system - so they even support yet another manufacturer.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.
What exactly was said? You say it was vague, and that probably what I recall. I don't think I have seen anything specific to make out what is possibly coming. Yet I see much stronger outcomes like a software merger being mentioned

If someone can refresh what was exactly said and by whom, it might help refresh out memories on what is real and what might be an interpretation
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.
What exactly was said? You say it was vague, and that probably what I recall. I don't think I have seen anything specific to make out what is possibly coming. Yet I see much stronger outcomes like a software merger being mentioned

If someone can refresh what was exactly said and by whom, it might help refresh out memories on what is real and what might be an interpretation
 
In summary. Software from Canon is available for ARM via android and ARM via Apple.
Emphatically, that is incorrect.

Canon software for mobile ARM platforms is available. This includes Android and iOS (iPad, iPhone).
Which are both ARM systems. You appear to agree with me.

Can you say it unavailable for arm systems?
Canon software for desktop ARM platforms, such as MacOS and Windows on ARM, is not available.
That's different.
The best part of "discussions" like this: there is an answer. The mentioned "plugin" either appears one day, or it doesn't.

Every day answers the question, that day, with complete and total certainty. Is it here today? No. Wait one, then ask: how about today? No. Wait another then ask: today? No. If you bought an R5 in 2020 and you were wondering whether Canon's software shop would support you with a native desktop Mac RAW processing solution for your professional grade hardware, you are are still answering "no" to the "is it here today" question, even though the R5 itself has been been replaced.

If you were asking whether Adobe would support you with a native desktop RAW processing solution for your Apple Silicon Mac, you got a "yes" when the software appeared for purchase and download, almost immediately after the computers themselves.

Then again: if you bought an R5 in 2020 and you were wondering whether Adobe would support you with the same color-matching profiles it provided scores of Canon camera bodies prior to the R5, the answer was "No" for, as you say, "some months." 30 of them if you count from the first moment Canon made the camera made available for sale, or a little more than half the active production period of the product.

Where we ultimately differ, I think, is that I interpret silence and inactivity as, themselves, active statements of intent and purpose. I understand them as being functionally synonymous with the answer "No" to our "is it here today" question, and with expressions like "We don't care about this as much as other things, today," or "this isn't important enough to us to act upon it today."

Silence understood this way often speaks very loudly. Inactivity is often the most significant action a corporate entity can undertake.

But, having offered my thoughts, I will bow out and leave you to your preferred perspective. One which, today, cannot include a plugin that does not currently exist for distribution or sale. Checkin again tomorrow?
 
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In summary. Software from Canon is available for ARM via android and ARM via Apple.
Emphatically, that is incorrect.

Canon software for mobile ARM platforms is available. This includes Android and iOS (iPad, iPhone).
Which are both ARM systems. You appear to agree with me.

Can you say it unavailable for arm systems?
Canon software for desktop ARM platforms, such as MacOS and Windows on ARM, is not available.
That's different.
The best part of "discussions" like this: there is an answer. The mentioned "plugin" either appears one day, or it doesn't.

Every day answers the question, that day, with complete and total certainty. Is it here today? No. Wait one, then ask: how about today? No. Wait another then ask: today? No. If you bought an R5 in 2020 and you were wondering whether Canon's software shop would support you with a native desktop Mac RAW processing solution for your professional grade hardware, you are are still answering "no" to the "is it here today" question, even though the R5 itself has been been replaced.

If you were asking whether Adobe would support you with a native desktop RAW processing solution for your Apple Silicon Mac, you got a "yes" when the software appeared for purchase and download, almost immediately after the computers themselves.

Then again: if you bought an R5 in 2020 and you were wondering whether Adobe would support you with the same color-matching profiles it provided scores of Canon camera bodies prior to the R5, the answer was "No" for, as you say, "some months." 30 of them if you count from the first moment Canon made the camera made available for sale, or a little more than half the active production period of the product.

Where we ultimately differ, I think, is that I interpret silence and inactivity as, themselves, active statements of intent and purpose. I understand them as being functionally synonymous with the answer "No" to our "is it here today" question, and with expressions like "We don't care about this as much as other things, today," or "this isn't important enough to us to act upon it today."

Silence understood this way often speaks very loudly. Inactivity is often the most significant action a corporate entity can undertake.

But, having offered my thoughts, I will bow out and leave you to your preferred perspective. One which, today, cannot include a plugin that does not currently exist for distribution or sale. Checkin again tomorrow?
If one understands and absence of something as evidence then that's not compatible with my world.

You claim that Canon do not have systems that work with ARM - that claim as a tool.

However they do.

I say this because that isn't the absence of nothing.

A potential summary of what you say above is just time. Day x we had nothing, x + 1 not very much, and x + something more we have a product.

That's absence to presence.

By asking to checkin tomorrow does follow how development normally operates.

It's been a blast.
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.
What exactly was said? You say it was vague, and that probably what I recall. I don't think I have seen anything specific to make out what is possibly coming. Yet I see much stronger outcomes like a software merger being mentioned

If someone can refresh what was exactly said and by whom, it might help refresh out memories on what is real and what might be an interpretation
I originally thought I'd read this but the OP linked a launch video where it was mentioned. This is further UK this chain.

I've read, heard or seen nothing other than this.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68142025
There was also a video where a single presenter said it. It was in French I think and we used Google translate.
 
A while back (might have been during the R5 Mark II press release) someone from Canon mentioned that there was work going on between them and Adobe. The details were vague but something to the effect of better demosaicing of Canon RAW files and access to Canons true color profiles in Lightroom/ACR.
What exactly was said? You say it was vague, and that probably what I recall. I don't think I have seen anything specific to make out what is possibly coming. Yet I see much stronger outcomes like a software merger being mentioned

If someone can refresh what was exactly said and by whom, it might help refresh out memories on what is real and what might be an interpretation
I originally thought I'd read this but the OP linked a launch video where it was mentioned. This is further UK this chain.

I've read, heard or seen nothing other than this.

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68142025
There was also a video where a single presenter said it. It was in French I think and we used Google translate.
Ah okay thanks fella.
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