S1R II: official images and full press text

There is already comparisons on some websites, It is surprising how smaller the Mark II is from the Mark I:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Panasonic-Lumix-DC-S1R-II-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-S1R





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I think it looks pretty good. I like that both top selection dials are lockable and that the thumb dial has been moved forward so it should help eliminate errant moves. I don't care about video - but if the sensor holds up well for stills I'll be happy to match the S1RII with my 500 Sigma for wildlife. We shall see.
Well I was, and remain, very happy with my early adopter S1. It will take some digesting to see if I really need what is now a top range commercial model.

I am not going to complain about the cost - this is superlative build and value.

Half price with excised the video - I am in. Still some old fogey stills users about.

Ones that don't have to raise a mortgage to buy one. Perhaps a smaller but quite significant market.
 
But... I absolutely DESPISE locking dials, and now there are TWO of them. The Oly E-M1 MK II I own is ok because you can toggle the locking mechanism on or off. Maybe Panasonic will bless us with that ability, too???
They appear to be just like the Fujifilm locking dial buttons, click to lock, click to unlock and remain in the last set mode.
I've never seen anything different. How would they work if you can't engage/disengage them? The only thing I can come up with is requiring that you push the button while turning the dial. Please tell me no one does that. That would be really annoying.
The early Fujifilm cameras did that, I think the X-T1 and possibly others. You pushed the button while rotating the dial, the button popped up again to lock.

Not wildly popular, they changed it on the X-T2 and other cameras from that generation.
 
But... I absolutely DESPISE locking dials, and now there are TWO of them. The Oly E-M1 MK II I own is ok because you can toggle the locking mechanism on or off. Maybe Panasonic will bless us with that ability, too???
They appear to be just like the Fujifilm locking dial buttons, click to lock, click to unlock and remain in the last set mode.
I've never seen anything different. How would they work if you can't engage/disengage them? The only thing I can come up with is requiring that you push the button while turning the dial. Please tell me no one does that. That would be really annoying.
The early Fujifilm cameras did that, I think the X-T1 and possibly others. You pushed the button while rotating the dial, the button popped up again to lock.

Not wildly popular, they changed it on the X-T2 and other cameras from that generation.
I had both those Fujis. Yes, I recall there being something "off" with the X-T1 implementation. Perhaps it was too stiff, or too soft. Not sure; don't remember. But the S1R implementation has never failed me, nor do I recall anybody complaining. Hope it remains.
 
I think it looks pretty good. I like that both top selection dials are lockable and that the thumb dial has been moved forward so it should help eliminate errant moves. I don't care about video - but if the sensor holds up well for stills I'll be happy to match the S1RII with my 500 Sigma for wildlife. We shall see.
Well I was, and remain, very happy with my early adopter S1. It will take some digesting to see if I really need what is now a top range commercial model.

I am not going to complain about the cost - this is superlative build and value.

Half price with excised the video - I am in. Still some old fogey stills users about.

Ones that don't have to raise a mortgage to buy one. Perhaps a smaller but quite significant market.
Agree Tom. I won't complain about the cost either although I wouldn't mind getting that "excised video" discount. I will wait and see what the April announcement is before buying, might be something even more attractive and then maybe a trade in program like they had when I bought the G9II. Fogey's like sweet deals too!
 
“Any size”, any codec, 10-bit 4:2:2 2020 HLG (HDR) format is surprisingly useful in many situations. I use it on all my cameras, when 12-bit ProRES RAW is not involved. In the 12-bit case, I convert/grade directly to target format without the step involving converting linear to log, and then “de-log’ing” again, in the grading phase. No need for that, really.

You can get slightly better quality in Log (especially for SDR use) compared to HLG (depending on camera), but it involves a lot of work in post. Simple LUT based grading seldom solves all requirements - especially for reportage use, where extra noise reduction (very computer intensive) and sharpening can make post time consuming.

You’ll have to judge for yourselve with your own settings for each approach.

Personally I find HLG more forgiving in uncontrolled run-and-gun situations (less “crap” takes), but that’s my personal view based on personal preferences during recording.

When I compared test results for both HLG and Log approaches (recorded in controlled situations), I usually did not see any significant difference, when rendered, that warranted the huge difference in time spent in post - personal view. YMMV.

In many cases, original HLG footage only needs slight tweaks (if any) in post for my main use case: travel aka reportage.

My target format is usually 25 fps h265 10-bit 4:2:2 2020 HLG (broadcast format) rendered to between 75 and 150 megabit per second in between 2.4:9 and 16:9 2160p format. Most TV’s will have a hard time handling this (use h264 instead, but quality suffers). Smartphones (billions of users), tablets and Apple Silicon MacBooks have no problem delivering decent HDR viewing results.

If you’re striving for traditional “movie” results, and you’re willing to invest the required time in post, HLG is not for you.

If you “just” want very good quality video HLG may be a solution.

Choice is highly personal.

Regards
Thanks for sharing yur thoughts and your workflow.

So. two questions (sorry this is going off topic to anyone else reading this):

1) If you shoot in HLG and you want to deliver in SDR, what do you do to convert to Rec 709 2.2 ? (Just use primaries? Use a CST? Use a third-party Display Render Transform (DRT / ODT)?

2) Does HLG have the same need to expose to the right that LOG usually has?

3) Bonus Question: Can you elaborate on what you mean by HLG being "more forgiving" than LOG in run and gun situations? My assumption was that LOG would have more lattitude / be more maleable, and hence would be more fogiving. But you know what they say about assumptions...

Thanks in advance.

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I thought the original S1R body was perfect in hand. I could not understand the near-unanimous complaint that it was too big and heavy. Well, the market is never wrong. Except when it is!
 
I thought the original S1R body was perfect in hand. I could not understand the near-unanimous complaint that it was too big and heavy. Well, the market is never wrong. Except when it is!
Personally, I find the size of my S1 to be way too big, and way too heavy as well. I prefer my S5 or S5 IIX for every situation OTHER than using manual focus lenses.

On the other hand, my clients are more impressed by the size of my S1 than they are of my S5 (and S5 IIX).

I often film interviews with the S5 IIX and the 50mm f/1.8 as the A cam as the talent looks dead on in to the camera lens. Then I use my S1 with the 24-105 f/4 as my B cam, so at about 20-degrees off axis or so (I am really bad at geomett so don't quote me on that).

And then the clients will sometimes ask, "Shouldn't I be looking in to the BIG camera???"
 
I think it looks pretty good. I like that both top selection dials are lockable and that the thumb dial has been moved forward so it should help eliminate errant moves. I don't care about video - but if the sensor holds up well for stills I'll be happy to match the S1RII with my 500 Sigma for wildlife. We shall see.
Well I was, and remain, very happy with my early adopter S1. It will take some digesting to see if I really need what is now a top range commercial model.

I am not going to complain about the cost - this is superlative build and value.

Half price with excised the video - I am in. Still some old fogey stills users about.

Ones that don't have to raise a mortgage to buy one. Perhaps a smaller but quite significant market.
Agree Tom. I won't complain about the cost either although I wouldn't mind getting that "excised video" discount. I will wait and see what the April announcement is before buying, might be something even more attractive and then maybe a trade in program like they had when I bought the G9II. Fogey's like sweet deals too!
I have not pushed buying the very top of the range camera body. The closest I came was a remaindered Canon 5Ds when Canon dumped their dslr lines. 1/3 original RRP was too good a deal for brand new. I had a good range of EF mount lenses and have quietly added to it - mainly for adapting to L-Mount and M4/3 mount (where I also have an over-committed presence). Call me a collector.

I classify my cameras into fun-stuff for semi-casual photography where the actual crafting of the image is just for my personal amusement. Cheap enough and I might pick up a few bodies. Like when I found several little used G100 bodies on Australian eBay going for as little as AUD$300 (roughly US$200) but that source dried up when I bought up the market.

You can still buy quite a few of the addictive G100 (type) bodies for much the same price as a G9II or S5II.

But when I am truly serious I will still prefer all the extra oomph of the big boomers. The only issue is that the Canikony consortium has a habit of updating its premium models in shorter cycles than Panasonic.

One can only live once and I still have a little of my kids inheritance left unspent.

I might just try one of these super-cameras just for the heck of it. But not rushing in of course. Caveat that Panasonic might keep it in circulation as first rank a lot longer than the Canikony crowd. Smaller volume companies don't have the same push incentive to update and depreciate their premium models to keep their mills of god busy.

The S1 has been an interesting camera for me - not at all out of love with it.

I hesitated on the S1R after a bad experience with the first too ambitiously populated sensor in the Sony A7R so many years ago. But there have been no adverse reports that I have noted with the more densely populated S1R sensor that I have noted.

I like the idea that Panasonic seems to be settling into the Panasonic look and basic control layout from as simple as model right through to this one.
 
This seems like a solid competitor to something like the Sony A7RV. Not so much the likes of R5II, Z8 and A1 with their stacked sensors. I don't see any mention in the release to indicate that it's a fast sensor, low rolling shutter, etc. Nothing about high speed video modes (60p, 120p), which are usually called out as a selling point if supported.
From what little Andrea has said about the April camera, I suspect that one will be stacked.
No, it is the IMX366 sensor which the datasheet is available for download. It shows all the readout speeds and is not stacked, it is BSI.

It is fast readout. I posted all about it in L-mount forum.
You’re confusing this one with the April camera.
 
There is already comparisons on some websites, It is surprising how smaller the Mark II is from the Mark I:

https://cameradecision.com/compare/Panasonic-Lumix-DC-S1R-II-vs-Panasonic-Lumix-DC-S1R

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But only 98g lighter? Find that hard to believe.

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Yeah it’s hard to find a source for that number so probably a placeholder. I do hope the S1R II has substantially improved build quality over the S5 models though. The S1 is so much more solid feeling. Looks like the grip is a bit different so I’ll reserve final judgement but I suspect it will be too small for my taste.

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Unless a more interesting model comes in April, I will buy S1Rii in late Summer.


I don't need 8K, but the overall package is the winner for the initial price.
 
I thought the original S1R body was perfect in hand. I could not understand the near-unanimous complaint that it was too big and heavy. Well, the market is never wrong. Except when it is!
Personally, I find the size of my S1 to be way too big, and way too heavy as well. I prefer my S5 or S5 IIX for every situation OTHER than using manual focus lenses
I don’t mind the size but the weight. I never understood this “it balances with heavy lenses” argument. I’m just holding more weight, period. It’s hard enough to handhold the 150-600 and I am surely not holding it just on the body anyway

Also, while I really like the ergonomics of the S1, I really don’t think the G9ii / S5ii is less comfortable.



The only thing that annoys me is that we are losing the second front button because of the stupid placements of the lens release button on L Mount
 
But... I absolutely DESPISE locking dials, and now there are TWO of them. The Oly E-M1 MK II I own is ok because you can toggle the locking mechanism on or off. Maybe Panasonic will bless us with that ability, too???
They appear to be just like the Fujifilm locking dial buttons, click to lock, click to unlock and remain in the last set mode.
I've never seen anything different. How would they work if you can't engage/disengage them? The only thing I can come up with is requiring that you push the button while turning the dial. Please tell me no one does that. That would be really annoying.
That's how the mode dial on Nikon's D7200 works. I press the button with index finger and turn the dial with thumb. It's on the left top, so operated with left hand.

Not sure if any of the Z bodies do that.

I like "press once to lock/press again to unlock" style.

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I was very interested in the initial L mount cameras from Panasonic. I did not get one because of their size and weight.

If this rumored body is like S5II (G9II), and it seems to have C1-C5 on the dial, it is a better model for me.

The rumors also say that it is 40+ MP, not the 60+ like Sony/SL3. I hope this brings in faster readout, in which case it would be better.

Everything so far is in line with my preferences. Let's see the real thing!

PS: The only other feature I am interested in is 10-bit (or more) HEIF output. If that is not included, I will pass.

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Looks like a fabulous upgrade thus far, but want to see sensor readout speed. We'll find out soon enough I suppose. Glad that it's an evolution of the existing S5II/S5IIX/G9II design- very happy with the layout of those cameras.
I agree with that. I like the G9II design. First it was so different in subtle ways from the previous GH bodies that it frustrated me a bit. After I stopped using the others and got used to the G9II, it feels good.

I considered getting an S5II because it would be so seamless using the two side-by-side. I missed some good deals, but didn't get one because of the resolution. This one with over 40 MP might be the one I like.
 

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