Ricoh GRIII vs GR

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Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
 
Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
I think you might get differing views on this but i owned the original GR and i still own the GRIII and the GRIIIx. I loved the GR as well but i sold it as i realised quickly i just didnt need two 18mm lenses. I do actually regret selling it even if i would likely not use it much.
  • AF especially in poor light
It is still not good, i think some might say its improved, it has a bit in daylight but not really in low light, it doesnt matter as its not good for modern standards. i have lots of low light images on GRIII, i can make it work but its a pain still at times.
  • unreliable exposure meter
GRIII exposure consistency has improved, and you will notice the improved dynamic range.
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
Auto WB has also improved from GR. Looking back at my GR images the exposure and WB are all over the place. GRIII is much more consistent.

Out of box colors are very subjective. The defaults imo are bad! but can be tweaked to look good! I personally think the GRIII colors have improved to be more useable in a variety of situations. I shoot raw and jpeg and im fine with them.

The key thing to note is that all the color modes and black and white are a bit different in appearance.

Some will say the GR positive film and black and white high contrast are better and thats a fair observation. But ultimately they are different and the GRIII has its own charms with color.
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
In raw i can get them both looking great. Its just my view but hope that helps.
 
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Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
I think you might get differing views on this but i owned the original GR and i still own the GRIII and the GRIIIx. I loved the GR as well but i sold it as i realised quickly i just didnt need two 18mm lenses. I do actually regret selling it even if i would likely not use it much.
  • AF especially in poor light
It is still not good, i think some might say its improved, it has a bit in daylight but not really in low light, it doesnt matter as its not good for modern standards. i have lots of low light images on GRIII, i can make it work but its a pain still at times.
  • unreliable exposure meter
GRIII exposure consistency has improved, and you will notice the improved dynamic range.
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
Auto WB has also improved from GR. Looking back at my GR images the exposure and WB are all over the place. GRIII is much more consistent.

Out of box colors are very subjective. The defaults imo are bad! but can be tweaked to look good! I personally think the GRIII colors have improved to be more useable in a variety of situations. I shoot raw and jpeg and im fine with them.

The key thing to note is that all the color modes and black and white are a bit different in appearance.

Some will say the GR positive film and black and white high contrast are better and thats a fair observation. But ultimately they are different and the GRIII has its own charms with color.
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
In raw i can get them both looking great. Its just my view but hope that helps.
Thank you very much for your detailed response. It really helps a lot. I used snap focus practically all the time but on some occasions I wanted to use the GR as a social camera and that didn't work at all. AF sometimes completely failed in slightly darker restaurants, not slow but not focusing at all. I suspect that the AF is result of the lens design like with the X100 from Fuji.

But the main gripe for me was that exposure and white balance was all over the place as you correctly stated. It was truly bad not only compared to Fuji but to any camera I ever owned. It's great to hear that both have improved because I hate post processing.

I really want this camera again because it is the only truly small camera with excellent handling.
 
Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
I would say that the AF is certainly much improved, but it still can hunt a fair bit in low light. It’s certainly well short of my Fujifilm cameras (X-T4, X-Pro3 and X100VI) but it’s better than any camera I’ve used in the same class as the GR.

I’ve always treated all Ricohs as “raw only” cameras* as I’ve never really liked their colours or noise reduction. But the GR III/IIIx do produce JPEGs that I’m happy to use: I have two custom profiles that give results I like, one B&W and one based on Negative Film—though generally I still use the raws, especially for high ISO shots. Metering has been fine for me but in all honesty the way I shoot kind of makes metering a bit of a non issue (most of the time I’ll point the camera such that I’m aiming at something the right distance away and the scene is about the right brightness, then half press and recompose—with this I find I generally only need compensation for specific environments).

As for auto WB, I never use it on any camera so can’t comment on that. I used to use it on Fujifilm and they do a very good job.

The III is definitely a big improvement. Image quality and AF performance are noticeably better. The new exposure compensation control (on the rear rocker lever) is also a welcome improvement to handling. I hate the rear-facing control wheel. Build quality feels a bit better. IBIS opens up a lot of options.

Whether it’s a big enough improvement across the three factors you mention is another matter.

One thing I will say, at the risk of heresy, is that if you want to address the second and third points on your list then the Fujifilm XF10 is worth a look because it definitely does a decent job on both fronts. AF performance IME is somewhere between the GR and the GR III. I found it good enough but some people seem to hate it (mostly I suspect because they’ve never used the other cameras in this class, which are all pretty poor at AF, and/or they hadn’t figured out the settings where Fuji’s AF is as fast as it can be). In many ways it’s a hard camera to love: it exhibits some baffling design decisions and it’s prone to the dials becoming erratic (and is the only camera with this issue that I wasn’t able to fix with contact cleaner). But once you figure out its happy place and don’t try to use it for things it doesn’t want to do, under the skin it’s a great camera. I ordered my GR as soon as it was announced at the start of 2013 and honestly never thought I’d sell it, but the XF10 eventually elbowed it out. The only reason I don’t still have the XF10 is that I damaged the screen and the dials stopped working. But (and here is a bit of a problem for anyone buying one now) prices are now so wild that even in its semi functioning state I sold it for what I paid brand new. It’s quite different to a GR, though. Much simpler. I quite liked that. Image quality was absolutely competitive with the GR III.

* except the GX8 and the GRD which took forever to write a raw file 🙂 but at least the JPEGs were seemingly untouched by NR
 
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Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
I would say that the AF is certainly much improved, but it still can hunt a fair bit in low light. It’s certainly well short of my Fujifilm cameras (X-T4, X-Pro3 and X100VI) but it’s better than any camera I’ve used in the same class as the GR.

I’ve always treated all Ricohs as “raw only” cameras* as I’ve never really liked their colours or noise reduction. But the GR III/IIIx do produce JPEGs that I’m happy to use: I have two custom profiles that give results I like, one B&W and one based on Negative Film—though generally I still use the raws, especially for high ISO shots. Metering has been fine for me but in all honesty the way I shoot kind of makes metering a bit of a non issue (most of the time I’ll point the camera such that I’m aiming at something the right distance away and the scene is about the right brightness, then half press and recompose—with this I find I generally only need compensation for specific environments).

As for auto WB, I never use it on any camera so can’t comment on that. I used to use it on Fujifilm and they do a very good job.

The III is definitely a big improvement. Image quality and AF performance are noticeably better. The new exposure compensation control (on the rear rocker lever) is also a welcome improvement to handling. I hate the rear-facing control wheel. Build quality feels a bit better. IBIS opens up a lot of options.

Whether it’s a big enough improvement across the three factors you mention is another matter.

One thing I will say, at the risk of heresy, is that if you want to address the second and third points on your list then the Fujifilm XF10 is worth a look because it definitely does a decent job on both fronts. AF performance IME is somewhere between the GR and the GR III. I found it good enough but some people seem to hate it (mostly I suspect because they’ve never used the other cameras in this class, which are all pretty poor at AF, and/or they hadn’t figured out the settings where Fuji’s AF is as fast as it can be). In many ways it’s a hard camera to love: it exhibits some baffling design decisions and it’s prone to the dials becoming erratic (and is the only camera with this issue that I wasn’t able to fix with contact cleaner). But once you figure out its happy place and don’t try to use it for things it doesn’t want to do, under the skin it’s a great camera. I ordered my GR as soon as it was announced at the start of 2013 and honestly never thought I’d sell it, but the XF10 eventually elbowed it out. The only reason I don’t still have the XF10 is that I damaged the screen and the dials stopped working. But (and here is a bit of a problem for anyone buying one now) prices are now so wild that even in its semi functioning state I sold it for what I paid brand new. It’s quite different to a GR, though. Much simpler. I quite liked that. Image quality was absolutely competitive with the GR III.

* except the GX8 and the GRD which took forever to write a raw file 🙂 but at least the JPEGs were seemingly untouched by NR
Thank you. Yes the XF10 that I missed to purchase when it was available. I would hope that there would be alternatives to the Ricoh GR. Competition is a good thing but right now Ricoh is without real competition for a long time.

I still dream of a digital version of my Contax T2.
 
Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
The GRIII is better than the GR for all three of the items you pointed out.

I think WB and exposure are absolutely not an issue.

As for focus, it does hunt in some low-light/low-contrast situations, but there things you can do to make it less of an issue, such as picking a vertical line of contrast rather than a horizontal line. For example, pick a window frame and then try to focus on the bottom sill. Now try on the edge of the vertical frame. There will be a significant difference in finding focus and the speed it does it in.

As mentioned, the X100V and XPro-3 both focus a bit better in low light, but neither of those cameras focus better than my Nikon D700, which is almost 20yrs old at this point, so only you can decide if it's "good enough".

Having said that, if you are expecting the camera to find the eye of bird at 100ft, then I respectfully suggest you have the wrong camera.
 
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Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
The GRIII is better than the GR for all three of the items you pointed out.

I think WB and exposure are absolutely not an issue.

As for focus, it does hunt in some low-light/low-contrast situations, but there things you can do to make it less of an issue, such as picking a vertical line of contrast rather than a horizontal line. For example, pick a window frame and then try to focus on the bottom sill. Now try on the edge of the vertical frame. There will be a significant difference in finding focus and the speed it does it in.

As mentioned, the X100V and XPro-3 both focus a bit better in low light, but neither of those cameras focus better than my Nikon D700, which is almost 20yrs old at this point, so only you can decide if it's "good enough".

Having said that, if you are expecting the camera to find the eye of bird at 100ft, then I respectfully suggest you have the wrong camera.
Thank you. As I wrote I owned the Ricoh GR, I'm aware it's not a sport camera.

I loved the snap focus mode and the camera handling in general for street shooting but I hated the fact that the small camera that I would always have with me is helpless as a social camera. It's good to know that WB and exposure has improved but I really would love to use this as a social camera too occasionally and from what I have learned so far that might still not be an option with the GRIII.

Excessive focus hunting is not something I want to deal with in 2025.
 
Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
The GRIII is better than the GR for all three of the items you pointed out.

I think WB and exposure are absolutely not an issue.

As for focus, it does hunt in some low-light/low-contrast situations, but there things you can do to make it less of an issue, such as picking a vertical line of contrast rather than a horizontal line. For example, pick a window frame and then try to focus on the bottom sill. Now try on the edge of the vertical frame. There will be a significant difference in finding focus and the speed it does it in.

As mentioned, the X100V and XPro-3 both focus a bit better in low light, but neither of those cameras focus better than my Nikon D700, which is almost 20yrs old at this point, so only you can decide if it's "good enough".

Having said that, if you are expecting the camera to find the eye of bird at 100ft, then I respectfully suggest you have the wrong camera.
Thank you. As I wrote I owned the Ricoh GR, I'm aware it's not a sport camera.

I loved the snap focus mode and the camera handling in general for street shooting but I hated the fact that the small camera that I would always have with me is helpless as a social camera. It's good to know that WB and exposure has improved but I really would love to use this as a social camera too occasionally and from what I have learned so far that might still not be an option with the GRIII.

Excessive focus hunting is not something I want to deal with in 2025.
I'm honestly not sure what you mean by"helpless as a social camera".

You can set it up to upload images wirelessly.

Everyone raves about the "film simulations" on the Fuji Film cameras, but the Richo Sims are as good or better.

And it's very fast to actually use.

As for focus hunting, unless your shooting dark allys at night, you're not going to have an issue.

I'm not trying to sell you on a GR, but whatever camera you get needs to be easy to use and sized so you'll actually have it with you all the time, and that's where the GR shines.

I've had both of the much-praised Fuji cameras (X100V and Xpro 3), and somehow I keep coming back to the GR - because it just works.
 
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Hi,

I used to own a GR a long time ago. I loved the handling, the 28mm lens and the image quality but here is what I didn't like:
  • AF especially in poor light
  • unreliable exposure meter
  • poor auto-WB and out of the box colors
I shoot RAW but the last two points were the most annoying. Every shot needed post processing to look good. I'm sure that the camera has been improved and I would love to hear from someone who owned the first GR and no the GRIII by how much.

Thank you!
The GRIII is better than the GR for all three of the items you pointed out.

I think WB and exposure are absolutely not an issue.

As for focus, it does hunt in some low-light/low-contrast situations, but there things you can do to make it less of an issue, such as picking a vertical line of contrast rather than a horizontal line. For example, pick a window frame and then try to focus on the bottom sill. Now try on the edge of the vertical frame. There will be a significant difference in finding focus and the speed it does it in.

As mentioned, the X100V and XPro-3 both focus a bit better in low light, but neither of those cameras focus better than my Nikon D700, which is almost 20yrs old at this point, so only you can decide if it's "good enough".

Having said that, if you are expecting the camera to find the eye of bird at 100ft, then I respectfully suggest you have the wrong camera.
Thank you. As I wrote I owned the Ricoh GR, I'm aware it's not a sport camera.

I loved the snap focus mode and the camera handling in general for street shooting but I hated the fact that the small camera that I would always have with me is helpless as a social camera. It's good to know that WB and exposure has improved but I really would love to use this as a social camera too occasionally and from what I have learned so far that might still not be an option with the GRIII.

Excessive focus hunting is not something I want to deal with in 2025.
I'm honestly not sure what you mean by"helpless as a social camera".

You can set it up to upload images wirelessly.

Everyone raves about the "film simulations" on the Fuji Film cameras, but the Richo Sims are as good or better.

And it's very fast to actually use.

As for focus hunting, unless your shooting dark allys at night, you're not going to have an issue.

I'm not trying to sell you on a GR, but whatever camera you get needs to be easy to use and sized so you'll actually have it with you all the time, and that's where the GR shines.

I've had both of the much-praised Fuji cameras (X100V and Xpro 3), and somehow I keep coming back to the GR - because it just works.
Sorry that I was not clear enough. I was talking about to take pictures of people indoors like in i.e. a restaurant or in a bar. No problem even with the Fuji X100 (the original one). Big problem with the GR that hunted and sometimes failed to focus or missed focus. No other camera that I used to own had such problems indoors.

Can the GRIII focus on a person in a restaurant or bar (low light but far from dark) because my GR couldn't do it even with AF assist light on.
 
Everyone raves about the "film simulations" on the Fuji Film cameras, but the Richo Sims are as good or better.
It’s highly subjective of course, but I disagree with that. For my money, Fuji’s sims offer much more variety within the realms of what I’d call “highly usable and non-gimmicky”—things that you could adopt to find a certain style for long-term use. I tend to find few of those in Ricoh’s set (I’ve never really liked their default colours for some reason), and I stick with Negative Film almost exclusively. Also Fuji’s adjustments beyond film sims are a bit more understandable; a few of Ricoh’s are rather opaque. Ricoh do have a couple of really useful adjustments that Fuji don’t though: the high/low key shift is really valuable for shooting bright B&W JPEGs without destroying the raw files by blowing highlights. One thing I dislike about Ricoh (though I can imagine some people might like it) is that the image settings are stored in user modes, so if I make changes to an image style I end up making it half a dozen times so that all the modes have the same styles.

They’re both very good implementations, though, even if neither is perfect. If you want a really bad implementation of image styles you should try the Nikon Zf 🙂 (and presumably other Nikons too).
As for focus hunting, unless your shooting dark allys at night, you're not going to have an issue.
Disagree again. I do get hunting at dusk and some other scenarios (I shoot at angles to windows a lot). Once the sun dips I make a lot more use of snap focus or switch to a Fuji. It’s still usable, but it’s easier to miss moments.
I'm not trying to sell you on a GR, but whatever camera you get needs to be easy to use and sized so you'll actually have it with you all the time, and that's where the GR shines.
This is the bottom line with the GR of course. Its various idiosyncrasies have been tolerable since 2006 for that reason.
I've had both of the much-praised Fuji cameras (X100V and Xpro 3), and somehow I keep coming back to the GR - because it just works.
I find the GR IIIx and the X-Pro3 seem to be my perfect street pairing—on any given day there are times when each of them is the perfect companion.
 
"Can the GRIII focus on a person in a restaurant or bar (low light but far from dark)"

Not without a struggle.

Snap focus takes too long to set up for that kind of shot as you cannot anticipate the distance.
 
"Can the GRIII focus on a person in a restaurant or bar (low light but far from dark)"

Not without a struggle.

Snap focus takes too long to set up for that kind of shot as you cannot anticipate the distance.
Thank you. That was already what I was getting from the more serious reviews that are out there. I really hope that Ricoh updates AF and find a way to reduce the black out time.
 
"Can the GRIII focus on a person in a restaurant or bar (low light but far from dark)"

Not without a struggle.
Thank you. That was already what I was getting from the more serious reviews that are out there. I really hope that Ricoh updates the AF.
Sorry, but it's not nearly as bad as that. It's marginally slower than the X100V/XPro 3, but perfectly usable in the situations you describe.

I shoot most of my images in the exact situation you're asking about.

https://www.flickr.com/gp/154248205@N04/v24kwJ6c4F

Here is one I really like - no issue with focus.

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How much darker than that do you shoot.
 
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Wow! Thank you for posting this. Have you by chance owned the Ricoh GR before the GRIII? My GR hunted like crazy and often failed to focus in those conditions. Maybe there was some improvements on AF.

Do you have any other cameras beside the GRiii for reference?

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regards
Joachim
 
Wow! Thank you for posting this. Have you by chance owned the Ricoh GR before the GRIII? My GR hunted like crazy and often failed to focus in those conditions. Maybe there was some improvements on AF.

Do you have any other cameras beside the GRiii for reference?
I have used, but not owned, the GR. I have owned both the GRII and GRIII. Along with that I have owned and used Nikon DSLRs (D300, D700, D4), and FujiFilm cameras (XT100, X100V, XPro-3). I also still own an original GR-1S and a Leica M6TTL (film obviously)...

The Nikons' autofocus was the best, followed by the FujiFilm (XPro-3 and X100V).

I've since sold everything digital, except for the GRIII.

Each version of the GR series has had improved autofocus, but as of a few years ago (when I sold the last of the FujiFilm cameras), it was still marginally behind them in low light. Since then there have been 13(!) software updates. Several of which further improved autofocus, so for all I know they may be on par at this point.

All this to say based on my use (which sounds like it's very much in line with how you want to use the camera), I can confidently say the GRIII will be a huge improvement over the original GR.

But, if focus speed in low light is truly the most important thing for you, then maybe look at the Sony Mirror-less lineup. Everyone seems to rave about the performance of those cameras. You'll give up a lot in terms of size, weight, and handling, and I couldn't deal with it, but maybe that's a compromise you're willing to make?

But if it's not and you really like everything else about the GRIII, why not buy one and use it for 6-months? You'll lose a few dollars on re-sale, but just consider that rental cost.

Here is a link to their (impressive) commitment to updates:

https://www.ricoh-imaging.co.jp/english/support/digital/gr3_s.html
 
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Those flikr shots are so dark I cannot see whether they are sharp or not.

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You can click on any photo and download a 4000x6000 pixel version and zoom in all you want. I would expect you to do this on a computer with a decent monitor, and not on your phone.

But if that is inconvenient, then here is a crop of the photo posted above. It certainly looks sharp to me.

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Of course, if you happen to feel sharpness is the only qualifying factor used to determine how "good" an image is, then, we're probably at an impasse, because it's one of the least important elements of an image for me.
 
Thanks for the advice on that website.

"Of course, if you happen to feel sharpness is the only qualifying factor used to determine how "good" an image is, then,"

Not me. I thought we were talking about the ability of the camera to focus accurately.

T
 
Each version of the GR series has had improved autofocus, but as of a few years ago (when I sold the last of the FujiFilm cameras), it was still marginally behind them in low light. Since then there have been 13(!) software updates. Several of which further improved autofocus, so for all I know they may be on par at this point.
Hm… I currently own the X100VI, X-Pro3 and X-T4, and anecdotally I would say that they all comfortably whip the GR in low light. (In fact I would say the same about the previous generation of Fujifilm bodies as well.) The X100 is well behind the X-T and X-Pro but I still think it’s well ahead of the GR.

A couple of qualifications to that: firstly it’s anecdotal, I’ve not rigorously shot the same scenes to compare them directly; and secondly it’s based more on the GR IIIx than the III (I have both, I just use the IIIx a lot more). So treat that statement as you see fit. But I do seem to notice that there comes a point in fading light when the AF starts to trip up a little.

Out of interest, what AF mode do you tend to use in low light? This usually makes quite a difference…
 
Thanks for the advice on that website.

"Of course, if you happen to feel sharpness is the only qualifying factor used to determine how "good" an image is, then,"

Not me. I thought we were talking about the ability of the camera to focus accurately.

T
Fair enough, I may be a little sensitive to that whole discussion. Apologies to suggest that was where you were heading.
 

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