Cafe Racer
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I agree with that. It kinda cheapens the overall aesthetic.
Look at this beauty!
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Look at this beauty!
MJ_Photo38
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Wait a minute... Are you surprised by this? It's not like Olympus were using fully articulated screens on their "steet" cameras like the E-M5II, EM-5III and PEN-F already...
Swivel screens have always been a sign of "higher end" in Olympus ever since one was introduced. Only their entry level offerings (such as the E-M10IV and E-P7) retain a regular tilt screen.
damn, Fuji isn't SLR style? That's very much what I see when I look at the X-T50 and X-T5 though...
Unfortunately it just doesn't look as nice as the classic OM1.
I think they should have made it look more like the OM1 with manual controls on the top dial and introduce some primes with an aperture ring. Then they would have an slr style version of what Fuji does.
As for the retro controls and aperture ring on lenses... Even Nikon which released retro cameras (in the form of the Df, Zf and Zfc) didn't do aperture rings on them.
In my opinion, an aperture ring only works if it's well implemented in the camera exposure control system : Fujifilm does it well, but aperture ring on Fuji lenses are pretty much here by default. Other systems have apeture rings, but it generally doesn't work as well, because the cameras are made to be operated with command dials (like Sony and Lumix cameras).
I'm not against aperture rings, but I'm not sure it would make sense in the way you want it to for that system.
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Cafe Racer
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No.
You're right. When I think of Fuji I just think of the rangefinders; that's what's memorable to me. Hmm, that's interesting! A product that's imprinted in the subconscious. OMDS take note!It's not like Olympus were using fully articulated screens on their "steet" cameras like the E-M5II, EM-5III and PEN-F already...
Swivel screens have always been a sign of "higher end" in Olympus ever since one was introduced. Only their entry level offerings (such as the E-M10IV and E-P7) retain a regular tilt screen.
damn, Fuji isn't SLR style? That's very much what I see when I look at the X-T50 and X-T5 though...
Unfortunately it just doesn't look as nice as the classic OM1.
I think they should have made it look more like the OM1 with manual controls on the top dial and introduce some primes with an aperture ring. Then they would have an slr style version of what Fuji does.
Maybe it's time for OMDS to think outside the box.
Plenty of people are already used to using manual lenses on their ILC's. Voigtlander, Loawa, TTArtisan etc. They all have aperture rings.
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MJ_Photo38
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That has mostly to do with the way their interface is made. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't know how you would make a system based around command dials work well with aperture rings without having the aperture rings themselves be at the center of the control system itself, like Fujifilm does.No.
You're right. When I think of Fuji I just think of the rangefinders; that's what's memorable to me. Hmm, that's interesting! A product that's imprinted in the subconscious!It's not like Olympus were using fully articulated screens on their "steet" cameras like the E-M5II, EM-5III and PEN-F already...
Swivel screens have always been a sign of "higher end" in Olympus ever since one was introduced. Only their entry level offerings (such as the E-M10IV and E-P7) retain a regular tilt screen.
damn, Fuji isn't SLR style? That's very much what I see when I look at the X-T50 and X-T5 though...
Unfortunately it just doesn't look as nice as the classic OM1.
I think they should have made it look more like the OM1 with manual controls on the top dial and introduce some primes with an aperture ring. Then they would have an slr style version of what Fuji does.
Maybe it's time for OMDS to think outside the box.
YEs, for a very simple reason : there are generally no electronics in those lenses, no motorized aperture whatsoever, so a mechanical aperture ring is the only way to control it.
Call it purism, simplicity, or whatever, but this is originally very much a constraint ! On the lenses that have AF and other electronic connection to the camera, brands like TT artisan or Laowa generally don't bother with aperture rings at all (there are a few exceptions of course, like the TTartisan 27mm f/2.8, but that lens was made for Fujifilm first, so it kinda makes sense)
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Cafe Racer
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Yeah, that's cool. OMDS could get a range of purely manual M.Zuiko lenses made; no electronics. Maybe TTArtisan could do it for them.That has mostly to do with the way their interface is made. But in the grand scheme of things, I don't know how you would make a system based around command dials work well with aperture rings without having the aperture rings themselves be at the center of the control system itself, like Fujifilm does.No.
You're right. When I think of Fuji I just think of the rangefinders; that's what's memorable to me. Hmm, that's interesting! A product that's imprinted in the subconscious!It's not like Olympus were using fully articulated screens on their "steet" cameras like the E-M5II, EM-5III and PEN-F already...
Swivel screens have always been a sign of "higher end" in Olympus ever since one was introduced. Only their entry level offerings (such as the E-M10IV and E-P7) retain a regular tilt screen.
damn, Fuji isn't SLR style? That's very much what I see when I look at the X-T50 and X-T5 though...
Unfortunately it just doesn't look as nice as the classic OM1.
I think they should have made it look more like the OM1 with manual controls on the top dial and introduce some primes with an aperture ring. Then they would have an slr style version of what Fuji does.
Maybe it's time for OMDS to think outside the box.
YEs, for a very simple reason : there are generally no electronics in those lenses, no motorized aperture whatsoever, so a mechanical aperture ring is the only way to control it.
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Like many of the "retro" style mirrorless flat cameras, it is too tall for the proportions to be exactly right. The Nikon Zf is a clear example of this, find as I am of mine. The smaller center viewfinder Fujis (X-Txx) do a bit better, but are still a bit off.
In any compact manual 35mm film SLR, you can see how it's built around the basic needs of the film. It's a wide rectangle: film canister on one side, take up reel on the other, and between them the width of the shutter, with a little extra all around for the working parts. The mirror box sits in front of the film box, with the viewfinder on top. If it were any taller than it absolutely has to be, it would fail at being compact.
If you wanted to make a digital mirrorless with the same proportions, you would have to sacrifice rear screen size. So far, it doesn't look like manufacturers are willing to do that.
In any compact manual 35mm film SLR, you can see how it's built around the basic needs of the film. It's a wide rectangle: film canister on one side, take up reel on the other, and between them the width of the shutter, with a little extra all around for the working parts. The mirror box sits in front of the film box, with the viewfinder on top. If it were any taller than it absolutely has to be, it would fail at being compact.
If you wanted to make a digital mirrorless with the same proportions, you would have to sacrifice rear screen size. So far, it doesn't look like manufacturers are willing to do that.
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I sort of agree with you. This will be a hard pass for me. If I'm going to be stuck with control wheels, I'll keep my simple tilt screen and go back to my plan to update my Oly kit with an E-M5ii and maybe a 40-150 f/4 if I can find a nice one secondhand.
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Absolutely. But nobody wants to go first, or go too far.
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Actually, Sony did back in the day ! They used a 16:9 monitor to allow the camera to be smaller on their A6x00 line. Not anymore though, as teh A6700 has a "normal" 3:2 screen, and it's pretty ironic that a smaller screen like that was fitted to a camera that really had no intention on being retro
I should mention that I think the Zfc got the film camera proportions pretty much right. It's really not that far from my Nikon FE
not my own picture, but you get the idea
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Yes it's stunning, and the hot shoe was removable for even better looks as well.Maybe it's time for OMDS to think outside the box.
Beautiful.
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MJ_Photo38
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I have been using an E-M5ii since last summer, it's a surprisingly capable camera for one that's 10 years old in a couple of months.
I highly recommend it, it's my go-to travel camera now.
Cafe Racer
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Yeah, although I quite like the look of the detachable hotshoe.
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I had the original E-M5 and was going to buy the MK2 but I wanted PDAF so I bought the E-M1 instead. I figured I'd wait for the E-M5iii. After a long wait we got that downgraded plastic junk, so I gave up. The E-M5ii is the nicest of all.
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Very cool. My plan was to upgrade to a sealed body and up my woods and nature game by adding the zoom.
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From the headline “Born to create’ and the prominence of the Creative dial (straight from the Pen F parts bin), and the lack of a front grip (just like the Pen F), I think the lineage is pretty clear. What’s inside is all that remains a question, as far as I’m concerned. But, I don’t expect it to be the OM1-light that some were hoping for.
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Cafe Racer
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I like compact primes. Wildlife for me is Friday night in central London!
MJ_Photo38
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You can also look at the original E-M1, it has better sealing, way better ergonomics and it has phase detection autofocus (which works surprisingly well, for an 11yo camera).
It's not much bigger than the E-M5ii, and it's only 1g heavier than the E-M5ii (496 vs 497g). My E-M5ii is now bigger and heavier with the small Fotodiox grip I added (which I would consider necessary).
If you don't need the phase detection and want the smaller body, go for the 5ii, but the E-M1 will profive better AF, better handling, better sealing and is most likely going to be cheaper as well.
I'm strongly considering one if I don't talk myself into getting an E-M1ii
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