Quitting Microsoft going to Mac Mini 4, Now - Software?

Microsoft and I are simply not headed in the same direction. I've looked at Linux, and while it'll do what I NEED it to do, I don't believe my wife will ever warm up to it. I think she will be happier in an eco-system like Mac or Windows, and Windows has shredded my confidence in it. I've purchased one Mac Mini 4 to experiment with, And assuming it works out, I will buy another, or perhaps a more advanced Mac product.
I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?
Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac? Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.
16GB RAM is a bit meager, but if you keep a lot of free space on your boot drive it shouldn’t be a problem. Apple says 10% minimum. I try for 20%.
At some point, I shifted a lot of files off my MacBook Pro SSD to an external RAID to keep space open. My Music Library alone is over 600GB. 😃 That was a real waste. Photos, too. I work on them off the external drive. Ones I actually want to use go onto the Mac itself.

It’s a PITA, but Apple internal SSDs are expensive. External storage, not so much.
Yes that is why always spend the money for RAM and processing. My Macs have never had more than 512 SSD. All files on externals drives. Since the SSD is the fastest drive I so import from my desktop into LrC and process from there. When the major editing is complete, using LrC I drag the folder to the external drive. Even with external spinners
Out of curiosity , how do you format the spinner? APSC, HSF+ or?
it's not too bad. One day external SSD's will get less expensive.
 
I also don’t like the iOS version of Apple Photos. But I was pleasantly surprised by the Mac version. Consider playing around with it. You may be as surprised as I was.
I only use Photos for daily backup of GX8 photos and review to my iPad when traveling and for transferring iPhone photos to my Mac. I’ll rotate images to the correct orientation or maybe crop, but that’s about all.
 
Microsoft and I are simply not headed in the same direction. I've looked at Linux, and while it'll do what I NEED it to do, I don't believe my wife will ever warm up to it. I think she will be happier in an eco-system like Mac or Windows, and Windows has shredded my confidence in it. I've purchased one Mac Mini 4 to experiment with, And assuming it works out, I will buy another, or perhaps a more advanced Mac product.
Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back!
I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?
Nope.
Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac? Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.
16GB RAM is a bit meager, but if you keep a lot of free space on your boot drive it shouldn’t be a problem. Apple says 10% minimum. I try for 20%.
That I didn't know. I knew it was not good to push it to the max whatever you use. Adobe also recommends 20%. Unofficial rule of thumb is 100GB. My storage has never pushed into that 100GB regardless. That's good to know as a general statement.
At some point, I shifted a lot of files off my MacBook Pro SSD to an external RAID to keep space open. My Music Library alone is over 600GB. 😃 That was a real waste. Photos, too. I work on them off the external drive. Ones I actually want to use go onto the Mac itself.

It’s a PITA, but Apple internal SSDs are expensive. External storage, not so much.
Yes that is why always spend the money for RAM and processing. My Macs have never had more than 512 SSD.
Ditto.
All files on externals drives. Since the SSD is the fastest drive I so import from my desktop into LrC and process from there.
I keep LRC folders & catalogs and the master image files of active projects on an external SSD for performance (vs. HDs) so I can get by with 512GB internal and easily move my work to my laptop.
When the major editing is complete, using LrC I drag the folder to the external drive.
Ditto. In this case, to a spinner.
Even with external spinners it's not too bad.
I found the biggest performance boost came from putting LRC folders on an SSD, even a USB 3.0 Gen 1 SSD. Moving master image files to SSD didn't make an appreciable difference as compared to a modern 20TB single spinner that does 200MB/s.
One day external SSD's will get less expensive.
Yeah, but I doubt I'll be able to afford, any time soon, 20TB for the Archive and 24TB for the Archive Backup on SSDs.
 
I also don’t like the iOS version of Apple Photos. But I was pleasantly surprised by the Mac version. Consider playing around with it. You may be as surprised as I was.
I only use Photos for daily backup of GX8 photos and review to my iPad when traveling and for transferring iPhone photos to my Mac. I’ll rotate images to the correct orientation or maybe crop, but that’s about all.
I don't use Photos but I probably should look into it. I have an iMac and a MacBook Air.

With the iMac I have 3 external spinner drives. One for Time Machine. The 2nd for my files which are backed up daily to the 3rd drive using CCC.

MacBook Air. Two SSD drives. One for my files and the other is for Time Machine. For travel I will now store my files on the Air and backup that folder to the other external drive using CCC as well. When I get home I use the "import from another catalogue" command to get everything onto the iMac.

I'm old school and have not ventured into cloud storage yet. Most of it by design. I purposely do not want access to my files when I travel, even when gone for long periods of time. It makes me get out there and shoot.

However now that Adobe will be adding LrC to the 1TB and Lr plan for about $10 month I may explore that. No PS in that plan but I have not sent a file to PS for additional editing since LrC11. It's v14 now.

Adobe made a surprise move last fall. At one time Lr would automatically send files to the cloud. Now you can choose between cloud or local storage. it might be time to start venturing into that area.

You can sync LrC to the cloud but that just sends Smart Previews, not the actual files. It does not count towards your cloud storage space. You can access those previews with another device (including mobile), edit and those edits will sync back to your desktop.
 
Keep in mind that there is no way to add keywords in Apple Photo. Same with Photomator.
In Apple's Photos app, there are fields to "Add a Title", "Add a Caption", and "Add a Keyword" in the Info panel for each image. I just checked.
 
Microsoft and I are simply not headed in the same direction. I've looked at Linux, and while it'll do what I NEED it to do, I don't believe my wife will ever warm up to it. I think she will be happier in an eco-system like Mac or Windows, and Windows has shredded my confidence in it. I've purchased one Mac Mini 4 to experiment with, And assuming it works out, I will buy another, or perhaps a more advanced Mac product.
Once you go Mac, you’ll never go back!
I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?
Nope.
Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac? Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.
16GB RAM is a bit meager, but if you keep a lot of free space on your boot drive it shouldn’t be a problem. Apple says 10% minimum. I try for 20%.
That I didn't know. I knew it was not good to push it to the max whatever you use. Adobe also recommends 20%. Unofficial rule of thumb is 100GB. My storage has never pushed into that 100GB regardless. That's good to know as a general statement.
At some point, I shifted a lot of files off my MacBook Pro SSD to an external RAID to keep space open. My Music Library alone is over 600GB. 😃 That was a real waste. Photos, too. I work on them off the external drive. Ones I actually want to use go onto the Mac itself.

It’s a PITA, but Apple internal SSDs are expensive. External storage, not so much.
Yes that is why always spend the money for RAM and processing. My Macs have never had more than 512 SSD.
Ditto.
All files on externals drives. Since the SSD is the fastest drive I so import from my desktop into LrC and process from there.
I keep LRC folders & catalogs and the master image files of active projects on an external SSD for performance (vs. HDs) so I can get by with 512GB internal and easily move my work to my laptop.
When the major editing is complete, using LrC I drag the folder to the external drive.
Ditto. In this case, to a spinner.
Even with external spinners it's not too bad.
I found the biggest performance boost came from putting LRC folders on an SSD, even a USB 3.0 Gen 1 SSD. Moving master image files to SSD didn't make an appreciable difference as compared to a modern 20TB single spinner that does 200MB/s.
That is interesting. I'll have to check that out.
One day external SSD's will get less expensive.
Yeah, but I doubt I'll be able to afford, any time soon, 20TB for the Archive and 24TB for the Archive Backup on SSDs.
 
These days with M chip (silicone)
Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.
there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.
What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.
32mp crop. Canon R7.
Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.
Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.
That is. Thanks
When Adobe turned on the Neural engine for that brief time my M1 dropped from 85 to 23. Hope they can resolve the shadow issue but they need Apple for that I think and they won't move fast. For now I'll take quality over quantity.
What? Is Adobe back to not using ANE? Jeez. DxO has sailed through the chip & OS transitions with just one little update that took only a few days to drop.
Good for them. As I recall when they first started using it they had colour issues they had to work around.
IIRC, it took mere days for DxO to provide a fix.
For colour I guess is pretty easy to find a work around. Let me know when DXO provides the same advanced masking, DAM
the main thing keeping me using LRC and PhotoLab together.
, personalized websites, etc. Then I'll still not be interested :-)
Yeah, well, let me know when LRC has the same advanced, fast, no-DNG-required NR and sophisticated lens profiles. As for websites, I have them already. Adobe's freebies are nowhere near adequate for my business. Then I'll still use PhotoLab for RAW processing and relegate LRC to DAM.
My basic M1 Max Studio does DeepPRIME XD2s on a 33MP RAW in 9.8 seconds. That's the average for a batch of 44 files (4 each of ISO 100, 200 through 102,400). Numbers get inconsistent when processing just one or a few files.
DeepPrime XD took 45 seconds on both my iMac and M1. Photo AI. I'm hobby shooter that travels. I have all day.
You two have lots of interest in denoise timings so this thread should make you happy:

AI denoise timings

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68094704

Use only the Canon R5 file

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/68096576
 

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