Quitting Microsoft going to Mac Mini 4, Now - Software?

Microsoft and I are simply not headed in the same direction. I've looked at Linux, and while it'll do what I NEED it to do, I don't believe my wife will ever warm up to it. I think she will be happier in an eco-system like Mac or Windows, and Windows has shredded my confidence in it. I've purchased one Mac Mini 4 to experiment with, And assuming it works out, I will buy another, or perhaps a more advanced Mac product.

I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?

Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac? Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.

I've been a happy ACDSee Ultimate user on Windows for many years, and I consider myself if not an expert in it's use, then certainly, an advanced user. I can get everything I need from it. BUT, the only ACDSee product for the Mac is just the DAM coupled with the Raw developer, no bit mapped editing. And I've heard it has been a bit problematic on the Mac in the past.

The other software I've been considering is On1, DXO Photolab, and Affinity Photo, all based on my Windows experiences. I will need a DAM with Affinity, and I 'kinda sorta' plan on Using OM Workspace for that, the Raw development between Workspace and Affinity Photo are roughly similar (Very good on both, IMO). I know in the past, the DAMs on On1, OM Workspace, and DXO were more like photo managers with a couple of nice extras. ACDSee is the standout DAM of the 5 titles I have mentioned I suspect.

Any insight you guys can provide on my plans would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

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I can not comment on the Olympus Workspace viability. But forget ACDSee (it's a completely different product with a completely different code base) - IMHO it is not a viable DAM.

Affinity Photo RAW development persona is the weakest you can choose, you'll leave a lot of the potential quality on the table - the system built in of MacOS is far stronger, especially if you pair it up with RAWPower/Nitro from GentlemenCoders - which in recent times has been expanded to be a DAM in it's own rights. You may want to take a look at that one.

I use DXO Photo Lab on my iMac. It serves my needs an enthusiastic hobby photographer. Cheers.

For software, I rely on Affinity for pixel editing, DXO for RAW processing, and Photo Supreme as my DAM tool.

Glen Barrington said:

Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?

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People with experience will answer this question. Yet I can tell you that since Apple has a significant market share among photographers (and videographers) practically all main software vendors offer Mac versions of their products.

Glen Barrington said:

Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac?

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Not any that I know of, especially those you mention.

Glen Barrington said:

Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive.

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For photo editing 16GB RAM is OK. Keep in mind that in the SoC (system on chip) architecture of the M series the internal storage is extremely fast so the system extensively uses virtual memory. So you need a big SSD with a significant amount of free space. Yet if you can afford it you should go for more RAM.

Glen Barrington said:

This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.

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Right. Mac OS X is Unix based.

Glen Barrington said:

The other software I've been considering is On1, DXO Photolab, and Affinity Photo, all based on my Windows experiences.

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I use DXO Photolab. It's excellent as a RAW converter and has plenty of editing tools but has no real DAM feature. It's a drawback because you need a third party one (I use Adobe Bridge) that doesn't interpret the editing you did.

Just a few notes to add:

ON1: I used the 2022 version on a 16/512 M2 Pro a couple of years ago, and it could perform single-file edits and some multi-file edits with ease. However, it is a RAM-hungry program for certain functions. When I tried using its timelapse video render feature with over 1000 files, the program maxed out the ram and crashed each time; it could not render the 4k tl video at all. When I switched the Mac to a 24/512 model, it was then able to handle that feature. So the caution is there may be some programs and features that require more RAM than 16GB, depending on your use case. You'd have to check in the Retouching forum or online to see how the latest version of ON1 is functioning, as I no longer use it. Thankfully if you do shoot intervals for timelapse videos, QuickTime in MacOS can render 4k/30p videos with ease from many still images (I think I've done 3000 files or more in the past).

External drive: keep in mind that the two speed choices are up to 10GB/s on the front ports and up to 40GB/s on the rear ports, but no up-to-20GB/s option (like a Samsung T9 for example). I found that out when I was looking at a faster drive than my Samsung T7. I'm now using a TB4 enclosure with a 2TB SSD and it is fast; I have the Luminar Neo app and catalogs installed on it and it works very well.

Final note: in the Mac App Store, there is a free version of a good viewer/editor called PhotoScapeX. I wouldn't use it as a main RAW editor, but as a viewer it functions quite well, and has a lot of other creative features.

Good luck with your new setup

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Glen Barrington said:

Microsoft and I are simply not headed in the same direction. I've looked at Linux, and while it'll do what I NEED it to do, I don't believe my wife will ever warm up to it. I think she will be happier in an eco-system like Mac or Windows, and Windows has shredded my confidence in it. I've purchased one Mac Mini 4 to experiment with, And assuming it works out, I will buy another, or perhaps a more advanced Mac product.

I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?

Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac? Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.

I've been a happy ACDSee Ultimate user on Windows for many years, and I consider myself if not an expert in it's use, then certainly, an advanced user. I can get everything I need from it. BUT, the only ACDSee product for the Mac is just the DAM coupled with the Raw developer, no bit mapped editing. And I've heard it has been a bit problematic on the Mac in the past.

The other software I've been considering is On1, DXO Photolab, and Affinity Photo, all based on my Windows experiences. I will need a DAM with Affinity, and I 'kinda sorta' plan on Using OM Workspace for that, the Raw development between Workspace and Affinity Photo are roughly similar (Very good on both, IMO). I know in the past, the DAMs on On1, OM Workspace, and DXO were more like photo managers with a couple of nice extras. ACDSee is the standout DAM of the 5 titles I have mentioned I suspect.

Any insight you guys can provide on my plans would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

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I shot MFT from 2014 to 2020, and one of the tools that made it viable despite the very dark conditions in which I often work is DxO PhotoLab. The noise reduction is unsurpassed, and the lens corrections also help squeeze out every ounce of image quality from MFT RAW files. DxO's latest DeepPRIME XD2s noise reduction is simply amazing. Had PhotoLab 8 been available six years ago, I wouldn't have felt the need to spend $20,000 switching to Sony FE because I could have simply raised my ISO ceiling with MFT to 12,800 and invested in a couple of f1.2 MFT primes instead.

FWIW, I use Lightroom Classic for DAM and some post-processing of images after I've done foundational RAW processing in PhotoLab. The two apps work very nicely together.

These days with M chip (silicone) there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

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Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Zeee said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

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What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

Zeee said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

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Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

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Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Jacques Cornell said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

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What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

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32mp crop. Canon R7.

Jacques Cornell said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

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Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

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That is. Thanks

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

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Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Zeee said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

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What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

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32mp crop. Canon R7.

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

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Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

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That is. Thanks

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When Adobe turned on the Neural engine for that brief time my M1 dropped from 85 to 23. Hope they can resolve the shadow issue but they need Apple for that I think and they won't move fast. For now I'll take quality over quantity.

Thanks to all who responded, so far!

But I just saw a youTube video on PIxelmator. It sounds like a possible replacement for Affinity Photo. Is this correct? would it be viable for my needs re: my OP?

Glen Barrington said:

I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?

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Maybe a year after Apple M appeared, OM updated Workspace so it works well on Mac. My only Olympus camera is a waterproof TG-5, which shoots ORF, so I have used OM Workspace for several years. I like it. Just updated to the latest version, 2.3.3.

Glen Barrington said:

Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac?

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MacOS does not have a photo viewer that's as "nice" as FastStone. By nice, I mean a very high capability to ease-of-use ratio. I use bare-bones qView, but XnViewMP is closer to FastStone.

Glen Barrington said:

Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.

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I had no problems with 8GB Air, and have none with 16GB Macbook Pro, but I'm not the type who keeps more than several tabs open in a browser, nor do I run Photoshop. 16GB is plenty for DxO, Darktable, GIMP, Affinity, etc.

Glen Barrington said:

I've been a happy ACDSee Ultimate user on Windows for many years, and I consider myself if not an expert in it's use, then certainly, an advanced user. I can get everything I need from it. BUT, the only ACDSee product for the Mac is just the DAM coupled with the Raw developer, no bit mapped editing. And I've heard it has been a bit problematic on the Mac in the past.

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There is a relatively new version 11 of ACDSee for Mac, on sale for $80 until mid January. I read some reviews about version 10, but nothing yet about 11. It would be great if you could try it and post a review. Looks better than 10 based on company propaganda:

https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-mac/features/

CAcreeks said:

Glen Barrington said:

I'm an m43s photographer. I'm not gonna argue that with anyone. It works for me and my gear is paid for. My question at the moment is about photo software. Does anyone know how well OM Workspace works with Mac?

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Maybe a year after Apple M appeared, OM updated Workspace so it works well on Mac. My only Olympus camera is a waterproof TG-5, which shoots ORF, so I have used OM Workspace for several years. I like it. Just updated to the latest version, 2.3.3.

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Good to know!

CAcreeks said:

CAcreeks said:

Are there any software titles that are a bit problematic on the Mac?

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MacOS does not have a photo viewer that's as "nice" as FastStone. By nice, I mean a very high capability to ease-of-use ratio. I use bare-bones qView, but XnViewMP is closer to FastStone.

CAcreeks said:

Any that might be problematic on a 16 GB ram on Mac Mini 4? I'm planning moving my home folder to a high-speed 2 TB external drive. This works reasonably well with Linux, and my research indicates Mac and Linux clearly share a Unix heritage.

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I had no problems with 8GB Air, and have none with 16GB Macbook Pro, but I'm not the type who keeps more than several tabs open in a browser, nor do I run Photoshop. 16GB is plenty for DxO, Darktable, GIMP, Affinity, etc.

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Great! I'm not a great multi-tasker myself.

CAcreeks said:

CAcreeks said:

I've been a happy ACDSee Ultimate user on Windows for many years, and I consider myself if not an expert in it's use, then certainly, an advanced user. I can get everything I need from it. BUT, the only ACDSee product for the Mac is just the DAM coupled with the Raw developer, no bit mapped editing. And I've heard it has been a bit problematic on the Mac in the past.

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There is a relatively new version 11 of ACDSee for Mac, on sale for $80 until mid January. I read some reviews about version 10, but nothing yet about 11. It would be great if you could try it and post a review. Looks better than 10 based on company propaganda:

https://www.acdsee.com/en/products/photo-studio-mac/features/

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When my mini arrives. I will definitely DL ACDSee for Mac V11 for a trial. I DO love Light EQ. It can quickly and easily help you display all the dynamic range your camera can capture. Any experience with Affinity Photo V2?

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Glen Barrington said:

When my mini arrives. I will definitely download ACDSee for Mac V11 for a trial. I DO love Light EQ. It can quickly and easily help you display all the dynamic range your camera can capture.

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I hope you like it and post some opinions and sample photos.

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Any experience with Affinity Photo V2?

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It's great! It goes on sale from time to time, but is certainly worth $70 (not on sale).

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

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Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Zeee said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

Click to expand...

What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

Click to expand...

32mp crop. Canon R7.

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

Click to expand...

Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

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That is. Thanks

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When Adobe turned on the Neural engine for that brief time my M1 dropped from 85 to 23. Hope they can resolve the shadow issue but they need Apple for that I think and they won't move fast. For now I'll take quality over quantity.

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What? Is Adobe back to not using ANE? Jeez. DxO has sailed through the chip & OS transitions with just one little update that took only a few days to drop.

My basic M1 Max Studio does DeepPRIME XD2s on a 33MP RAW in 9.8 seconds. That's the average for a batch of 44 files (4 each of ISO 100, 200 through 102,400). Numbers get inconsistent when processing just one or a few files.

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

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Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Jacques Cornell said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

Click to expand...

What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

Click to expand...

32mp crop. Canon R7.

Jacques Cornell said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

Click to expand...

Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

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That is. Thanks

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When Adobe turned on the Neural engine for that brief time my M1 dropped from 85 to 23. Hope they can resolve the shadow issue but they need Apple for that I think and they won't move fast. For now I'll take quality over quantity.

Click to expand...

What? Is Adobe back to not using ANE? Jeez. DxO has sailed through the chip & OS transitions with just one little update that took only a few days to drop.

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Good for them. As I recall when they first started using it they had colour issues they had to work around. For colour I guess is pretty easy to find a work around. Let me know when DXO provides the same advanced masking, DAM, personalized websites, etc. Then I'll still not be interested

Jacques Cornell said:

My basic M1 Max Studio does DeepPRIME XD2s on a 33MP RAW in 9.8 seconds. That's the average for a batch of 44 files (4 each of ISO 100, 200 through 102,400). Numbers get inconsistent when processing just one or a few files.

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DeepPrime XD took 45 seconds on both my iMac and M1. Photo AI. I'm hobby shooter that travels. I have all day.

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I use DXO, ON1, C1, Affinity, Topaz, Pixelmator, Rawpower, Mac Photos. No issues on Macs. When it comes to photo editing, some software houses actually prioritize writing for Mac OS. The only thing I miss from Win that's not available on Mac is FastStone. I have it on my office PC though I'm not supposed to.

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

Click to expand...

Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Zeee said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

Click to expand...

What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

Click to expand...

32mp crop. Canon R7.

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

Click to expand...

Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

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That is. Thanks

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When Adobe turned on the Neural engine for that brief time my M1 dropped from 85 to 23. Hope they can resolve the shadow issue but they need Apple for that I think and they won't move fast. For now I'll take quality over quantity.

Click to expand...

What? Is Adobe back to not using ANE? Jeez. DxO has sailed through the chip & OS transitions with just one little update that took only a few days to drop.

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Good for them. As I recall when they first started using it they had colour issues they had to work around.

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IIRC, it took mere days for DxO to provide a fix.

Zeee said:

For colour I guess is pretty easy to find a work around. Let me know when DXO provides the same advanced masking, DAM

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the main thing keeping me using LRC and PhotoLab together.

Zeee said:

, personalized websites, etc. Then I'll still not be interested

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Yeah, well, let me know when LRC has the same advanced, fast, no-DNG-required NR and sophisticated lens profiles. As for websites, I have them already. Adobe's freebies are nowhere near adequate for my business. Then I'll still use PhotoLab for RAW processing and relegate LRC to DAM.

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

My basic M1 Max Studio does DeepPRIME XD2s on a 33MP RAW in 9.8 seconds. That's the average for a batch of 44 files (4 each of ISO 100, 200 through 102,400). Numbers get inconsistent when processing just one or a few files.

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DeepPrime XD took 45 seconds on both my iMac and M1. Photo AI. I'm hobby shooter that travels. I have all day.

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Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Zeee said:

These days with M chip (silicone)

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Silicon is what chips are made of. Silicone increases cleavage.

Jacques Cornell said:

there is no separate VRAM. AI eat eats VRAM. It is unified memory now so the more RAM the better. I’ll look at 24. 32 would be better to future proof.

You didn’t mention LrC which is fine. I’ll just use Adobe Denoise AI as an example.

I have a 2019 iMac Intel. 64 GB RAM and 8 GB RAM. Adobe Denoise takes 33 seconds

On Tuesday I had a 2020 MacBook Air M1 with 16GB RAM. It took 85 seconds.

Yesterday I traded it in for a 2024 MacBook Air M3 with 24GB RAM. That dropped to 45 seconds.

A fellow on another site has a Studio Ultra M2 with 64GB RAM. 8 seconds.

When I used Photo AI and DeepPrime XD the numbers were pretty close to my iMac and MacBook M1.

Click to expand...

What size RAW files? Apples to apples here? In my experience, DP processing time scales linearly with pixel count.

Click to expand...

32mp crop. Canon R7.

Jacques Cornell said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Personally I put the money into RAM, processing power and keep the SSD to 512 GB. I use external drives for both the desktop and laptop to store files.

Click to expand...

Interesting. My M1 Max Studio is 50-100% faster than my M1 mini building 1:1 previews in LRC and processing DxO DeepPRIME. I assumed this was due to the additional GPU cores, but maybe it's also related to RAM: 16GB vs. 32GB. OTOH, my M1 Pro 14" MBP with 16GB is just as fast as the Studio. Go figure.

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That is. Thanks

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When Adobe turned on the Neural engine for that brief time my M1 dropped from 85 to 23. Hope they can resolve the shadow issue but they need Apple for that I think and they won't move fast. For now I'll take quality over quantity.

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What? Is Adobe back to not using ANE? Jeez. DxO has sailed through the chip & OS transitions with just one little update that took only a few days to drop.

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Good for them. As I recall when they first started using it they had colour issues they had to work around.

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IIRC, it took mere days for DxO to provide a fix.

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Colour teaks. Easy

Jacques Cornell said:

Jacques Cornell said:

For colour I guess is pretty easy to find a work around. Let me know when DXO provides the same advanced masking, DAM

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the main thing keeping me using LRC and PhotoLab together.

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, personalized websites, etc. Then I'll still not be interested

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Yeah, well, let me know when LRC has the same advanced, fast, no-DNG-required NR and sophisticated lens profiles. As for websites, I have them already. Adobe's freebies are nowhere near adequate for my business. Then I'll still use PhotoLab for RAW processing and relegate LRC to DAM.

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No DNG already in ACR. Soon to be in LRC. I don’t know about advanced. They were at it for many years and were selling a product that over sharpened and created false details. Adobe came out and was praised for the more natural look. Even in recent threads. DXO had to make new algorithms with DP XD2s.

So it’s a matter of personal preference and what the applications are.

Jacques Cornell said:

Jacques Cornell said:

Jacques Cornell said:

My basic M1 Max Studio does DeepPRIME XD2s on a 33MP RAW in 9.8 seconds. That's the average for a batch of 44 files (4 each of ISO 100, 200 through 102,400). Numbers get inconsistent when processing just one or a few files.

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DeepPrime XD took 45 seconds on both my iMac and M1. Photo AI. I'm hobby shooter that travels. I have all day.

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