CPUs with integrated graphics for noise reduction

skyglider · Dec 9, 2024

I've saw a YouTube video that said Davinci Resolve runs faster using Intel Quick Sync.
And this Intel link says "Intel Quick Sync video can only be utilized if the intel integrated graphics is enabled." I'm in the market for a new desktop Core Ultra 7 PC with integrated graphics when they become available. I only do still image editing and video editing. No games.

I haven't done any Ai noise reduction on still images but might want to do it when I buy the new Core Ultra 7 PC with integrated graphics.

So far I've only seen 15th gen Core Ultra CPUs with integrated graphics in laptops. So I was wondering if anyone has a Core Ultra 7 or Core Ultra 9 laptop and has run Ai noise reduction on a still image. If so, does it do it in seconds or minutes?

BobKnDP · Dec 11, 2024

bakubo said:
BobKnDP said:

bakubo said:

BobKnDP said:

Whether any software currently available makes use of the NPU (neural processing unit) that is present with the latest CPU's, I don't know.

The AI software that I've used (DXO DeepPrime, the Topaz products, the AI tools in Photoshop) seem to be based on an old-fashioned GPU.

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Topaz says they use the AMD NPU that is in newer processors in Photo AI and Video AI.

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Can you provide a link for that?

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Suraj Raghuraman, Topaz Labs Head of AI Engine:

Topaz Labs Optimizes Photo and Video AI Software with AMD Processors and AMD Ryzen AI

Thanks. Nice ad. ;-)

bakubo · Dec 11, 2024

BobKnDP said:
bakubo said:

BobKnDP said:

bakubo said:

BobKnDP said:

Whether any software currently available makes use of the NPU (neural processing unit) that is present with the latest CPU's, I don't know.

The AI software that I've used (DXO DeepPrime, the Topaz products, the AI tools in Photoshop) seem to be based on an old-fashioned GPU.

Click to expand...

Topaz says they use the AMD NPU that is in newer processors in Photo AI and Video AI.

Click to expand...

Can you provide a link for that?

Click to expand...

Suraj Raghuraman, Topaz Labs Head of AI Engine:

Topaz Labs Optimizes Photo and Video AI Software with AMD Processors and AMD Ryzen AI

Click to expand...

Thanks. Nice ad. ;-)

After you contact the Topaz support and get with one of their technical people it would be very nice for you to copy and paste their detailed technical reply about what they use and how. Like you, I also am interested. Probably Suraj Raghuraman is a good person to start with.

bakubo · Dec 11, 2024

This video from today compares a mini pc with the Ryzen 8700G and 780M iGPU and also a 5700 XT dGPU:

Adobe Premiere and some games are compared using the 780M and 5700 XT. No AI denoise apps though. But, it does give some indication of the differences in GPU power. An M4 Mac Mini is also included in the comparisons.

Note that the 8700G/780M are previous generation. The current generation is faster.

BobKnDP · Dec 11, 2024

bakubo said:
BobKnDP said:

bakubo said:

BobKnDP said:

bakubo said:

BobKnDP said:

Whether any software currently available makes use of the NPU (neural processing unit) that is present with the latest CPU's, I don't know.

The AI software that I've used (DXO DeepPrime, the Topaz products, the AI tools in Photoshop) seem to be based on an old-fashioned GPU.

Click to expand...

Topaz says they use the AMD NPU that is in newer processors in Photo AI and Video AI.

Click to expand...

Can you provide a link for that?

Click to expand...

Suraj Raghuraman, Topaz Labs Head of AI Engine:

Topaz Labs Optimizes Photo and Video AI Software with AMD Processors and AMD Ryzen AI

Click to expand...

Thanks. Nice ad. ;-)

Click to expand...

After you contact the Topaz support and get with one of their technical people it would be very nice for you to copy and paste their detailed technical reply about what they use and how. Like you, I also am interested. Probably Suraj Raghuraman is a good person to start with.

I won't contact them anytime soon. I'm curious about NPUs, but I won't be buying a system with one for a while. Blew my hardware budget big time, about a year ago.

skyglider · Jan 1, 2025

I'm now planning to build my next PC using a core ultra 7 265K with integrated graphics instead of buying a pre-built PC with integrated graphics. The plan is to have the DIY build capable of being upgraded with a dedicated graphics card later if the need arises.

I'm going to use the Seasonic 550 watt modular 80+ Gold power supply and the 2 TB SSD from my current Win10 PC to keep the build cost in the $800 range.

Viewing the power supply requirements for graphics cards, I found the following:

RTX 4090: 850 watt PS recommended.
RTX 4070: 650 watt PS recommended.
RTX 4060: 550 watt PS recommended.
Intel B580: 550 watt PS recommended.

So it looks like with a 550 watt PS, I'll be restricted to a RTX 4060 or Intel B580 graphics card.

Reviewing posts in this thread:

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.
RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.

Any one have any idea, how many seconds a RTX 4060 or Intel B580 would take for Topaz/Lightroom/DXO quality Ai noise reduction?

120 to 35 · Jan 2, 2025

You have a good upgrade plan. The PSU can be upgraded if necessary when you decide to upgrade the GPU, which could be one of the next generation with yet unknown PSU requirements.

NEO54321 · Jan 2, 2025

skyglider said:
I'm now planning to build my next PC using a core ultra 7 265K with integrated graphics instead of buying a pre-built PC with integrated graphics. The plan is to have the DIY build capable of being upgraded with a dedicated graphics card later if the need arises.

I'm going to use the Seasonic 550 watt modular 80+ Gold power supply and the 2 TB SSD from my current Win10 PC to keep the build cost in the $800 range.

Viewing the power supply requirements for graphics cards, I found the following:

RTX 4090: 850 watt PS recommended.

RTX 4070: 650 watt PS recommended.

RTX 4060: 550 watt PS recommended.

Intel B580: 550 watt PS recommended.

So it looks like with a 550 watt PS, I'll be restricted to a RTX 4060 or Intel B580 graphics card.

Reviewing posts in this thread:

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.

RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.

Any one have any idea, how many seconds a RTX 4060 or Intel B580 would take for Topaz/Lightroom/DXO quality Ai noise reduction?

I just upgraded from a 4060 to a 4070 Super. LrC noise reduction on a 50 MB raw file dropped from about 26 seconds to about 14 seconds. Don't take the numbers as absolute, but it is safe to say that the reduction is substantial, even though 26 seconds were too bad either. Topaz Photo AI denoise is practically instantaneous with the 4070 Super. Again, 4060 was not slow, but I don't remember the results.

skyglider · Jan 2, 2025

120 to 35 said:
You have a good upgrade plan. The PSU can be upgraded if necessary when you decide to upgrade the GPU, which could be one of the next generation with yet unknown PSU requirements.

Yes, some new GPUs will be released in 2025. Thanks.

skyglider · Jan 2, 2025

NEO54321 said:
NEO54321 said:

skyglider wrote: ....snip....

Reviewing posts in this thread:

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.

RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.

Any one have any idea, how many seconds a RTX 4060 or Intel B580 would take for Topaz/Lightroom/DXO quality Ai noise reduction?

Click to expand...

I just upgraded from a 4060 to a 4070 Super. LrC noise reduction on a 50 MB raw file dropped from about 26 seconds to about 14 seconds. Don't take the numbers as absolute, but it is safe to say that the reduction is substantial, even though 26 seconds were too bad either. Topaz Photo AI denoise is practically instantaneous with the 4070 Super. Again, 4060 was not slow, but I don't remember the results.

I've upgraded the list to include the RTX 4060.

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.
RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.
RTX 4060: Ai noise reduction takes about 26 seconds.

Actually I could live with about 26 seconds as long as it's not like 5 minutes.
(I know the time can vary depending on the size of the file but the above gives a "general" idea of the times involved.)

Thanks much for your input!

bakubo · Jan 2, 2025

skyglider said:
NEO54321 said:

skyglider said:

skyglider wrote: ....snip....

Reviewing posts in this thread:

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.

RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.

Any one have any idea, how many seconds a RTX 4060 or Intel B580 would take for Topaz/Lightroom/DXO quality Ai noise reduction?

Click to expand...

I just upgraded from a 4060 to a 4070 Super. LrC noise reduction on a 50 MB raw file dropped from about 26 seconds to about 14 seconds. Don't take the numbers as absolute, but it is safe to say that the reduction is substantial, even though 26 seconds were too bad either. Topaz Photo AI denoise is practically instantaneous with the 4070 Super. Again, 4060 was not slow, but I don't remember the results.

Click to expand...

I've upgraded the list to include the RTX 4060.

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.

RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.

RTX 4060: Ai noise reduction takes about 26 seconds.

Actually I could live with about 26 seconds as long as it's not like 5 minutes.
(I know the time can vary depending on the size of the file but the above gives a "general" idea of the times involved.)

Thanks much for your input!

Are those times for the same photo file? Or, at least, the same number of megapixels?

skyglider · Jan 2, 2025

bakubo said:
skyglider said:

I've upgraded the list to include the RTX 4060.

RTX 4090: Reduced Ai noise reduction from 5 minutes to 5-6 seconds.

RTX 4070: Ai noise reduction takes about 10 seconds.

RTX 4060: Ai noise reduction takes about 26 seconds.

Actually I could live with about 26 seconds as long as it's not like 5 minutes.
(I know the time can vary depending on the size of the file but the above gives a "general" idea of the times involved.)

Thanks much for your input!

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Are those times for the same photo file? Or, at least, the same number of megapixels?

No, as I mentioned, the times can vary depending on the size of the file. They just give a "general" idea of the speed differences between the different RTX graphics cards.

silentstorm · Jan 3, 2025

If you want small and lower power with integrated solution, the new AMD Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is your target. Announcement is in a week's time. You can't get it in a laptop or wait a few months for a NUC type of tiny desktop.

I think this is really something worth looking out for.

skyglider · Jan 3, 2025

silentstorm said:
If you want small and lower power with integrated solution, the new AMD Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is your target. Announcement is in a week's time. You can't get it in a laptop or wait a few months for a NUC type of tiny desktop.

I think this is really something worth looking out for.

Thanks for your heads up on AMD's new CPU+iGPU. First I've heard of it.

I wonder if it will only be available in laptops and NUC tiny desktops? Not for tower PCs?

Any rumors on the cost?

silentstorm · Jan 7, 2025

skyglider said:
silentstorm said:

If you want small and lower power with integrated solution, the new AMD Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is your target. Announcement is in a week's time. You can get it in a laptop or wait a few months for a NUC type of tiny desktop.

I think this is really something worth looking out for.

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Thanks for your heads up on AMD's new CPU+iGPU. First I've heard of it.

I wonder if it will only be available in laptops and NUC tiny desktops? Not for tower PCs?

Any rumors on the cost?

I'm guessing the laptop to be in the USD3000 range. It is really a beast and you really don't need a dGPU for that, unless you need to crunch some really big numbers like doing simulations work.

Not sure about tower builds, maybe in the future Zotac might build one for PCIe expandability? But I think a NUC form factor is really sweat for this new APU, at least there's an expansion for another nVME or SATA ssd inside.

skyglider · Jan 8, 2025

silentstorm said:
skyglider said:

silentstorm said:

If you want small and lower power with integrated solution, the new AMD Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is your target. Announcement is in a week's time. You can get it in a laptop or wait a few months for a NUC type of tiny desktop.

I think this is really something worth looking out for.

Click to expand...

Thanks for your heads up on AMD's new CPU+iGPU. First I've heard of it.

I wonder if it will only be available in laptops and NUC tiny desktops? Not for tower PCs?

Any rumors on the cost?

Click to expand...

I'm guessing the laptop to be in the USD3000 range. It is really a beast and you really don't need a dGPU for that, unless you need to crunch some really big numbers like doing simulations work.

Not sure about tower builds, maybe in the future Zotac might build one for PCIe expandability? But I think a NUC form factor is really sweat for this new APU, at least there's an expansion for another nVME or SATA ssd inside.

$3000 is completely out of my comfort range for a laptop or desktop.

Will be interesting to see how it goes though. Thanks.

Robert Zanatta · Jan 8, 2025

silentstorm said:
If you want small and lower power with integrated solution, the new AMD Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is your target. Announcement is in a week's time. You can't get it in a laptop or wait a few months for a NUC type of tiny desktop.

I think this is really something worth looking out for.

Or Intel's new U and H processors for laptops.

silentstorm · Jan 8, 2025

skyglider said:
silentstorm said:

I'm guessing the laptop to be in the USD3000 range. It is really a beast and you really don't need a dGPU for that, unless you need to crunch some really big numbers like doing simulations work.

Not sure about tower builds, maybe in the future Zotac might build one for PCIe expandability? But I think a NUC form factor is really sweat for this new APU, at least there's an expansion for another nVME or SATA ssd inside.

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$3000 is completely out of my comfort range for a laptop or desktop.

Will be interesting to see how it goes though. Thanks.

Shiny new toys that's the king of performance always costs a pretty penny. I believe the little bro Max 390+ is more pocket friendly and still offers lots of performance that's more than good enough to handle daily photo & video tasks.

silentstorm · Jan 8, 2025

Robert Zanatta said:
silentstorm said:

If you want small and lower power with integrated solution, the new AMD Ryzen AI MAX 395+ is your target. Announcement is in a week's time. You can't get it in a laptop or wait a few months for a NUC type of tiny desktop.

I think this is really something worth looking out for.

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Or Intel's new U and H processors for laptops.

The U looks pathetic. The H is ok for daily photo use. The HX is best but power wise not so good for on-the-go purpose.

I'll wait another year for Intel next line of processors and see how they stack up against competition.

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