That's what they said about the A7RV, but yet I am holding an A7CR,
it didn`t include a hyper expensive 50Mp stacked sensor - ever wondered why the A1 and especially the old A9-II costs so much even now , Stacked sensors add a crazy amount of cost
That's with today's eyes. At the time people thought it was silly to put 61mp sensor in an A7C style body.
No, a few people did, some had already done it (eg Sigma fp). Regardless, there wasn't a cost barrier to doing so. IBIS and shutter aside, they didn't have to reinvent the wheel or bring the cost of something down in order to make the A7CR.
More were saying the opposite. And the reasons you state are why I said the A7CR was viable.
An A1C would be $6K+, I think only Sony knows how large the market for that would be, but given their past market moves they're absolutely not trying to undercut themselves on stacked sensor pricing right now (like Nikon is). I think it's gonna take a few more years for that to change, if it ever does. Stacked sensor by their nature will always be more expensive to manufacture.
I disagree with first part of this, and your previous post suggest that you don't really believe it will be $6k, not if you want to stay consistent with the idea of lower prices for the original A1.
I believe and I stand by what I said. Sony doesn't introduce
new models to fill price gaps, they introduce new models at the top and fill the price gaps with older models. It's how they've operated for a decade now and it's brought them a lot of success.
They're absolutely not trying to sell a
new but cheaper stacked sensor body right now to compete with the Z8, if they were they would've come out with it by now. They're gonna use the A1 for that and if that isn't your ideal body you're probably SOL. Maybe the A7 V will get closer to that you want and then the A7C III or CR II will inherit whatever that is.
Besides, I thought you said the price wasn't the point of all this and you were ready to pay whatever for an A1C... So that wasn't true and on top of it being niche you want the A1C to be cheap(er)? Don't get me wrong that'd be awesome, but it's a fantasy. The A7CR was an exception, but it's not how Sony typically operates and they can only sustain so many lines.
The A7CR didn't undercut the A7R V by that much either, 15-20% depending on market? That would still make an A1C $5.5K, is $500-1,000 really the sticking point? They're not gonna put out a $3.5K stacked sensor body, if that's what you're hoping for you need a reality check before disappointment sets in.
The price of stacked sensors will drop with the emergence of global shutter sensors.
Explain your rationale for this. Stacked sensors aren't pricey because they're newer, the A9 was introduced in
2017. They're pricier because they're literally and physically more expensive to manufacture, their very stacked nature means there's more that can (and does) go wrong with each layer that comes out of the foundry, so yields are and will always be lower than for a non stacked sensor.
The price of tech always drops so I find the best bargains in last Gen tech, which is where stacked sensors will soon be. Sony has shown they can be creative with their product lineup.
Stacked FF sensors have been around for 7 years now, high res ones have been around for about 3 years. The Z8 is as much of an outlier as the A7CR, Nikon is pricing it aggressively because they're fighting (successfully IMO) to stay relevant. I'm sure Nikon wishes they could price the Z8 like the A1 for 3 years straight until it's replacement, but as the underdog they have to literally cut their losses and give up some profits somewhere.
Again, I'm not against an A1C
at all. It would be a $5,500-6,000 body though and it doesn't make any sense for them to venture there before releasing the A1 II. Even the A7CR didn't predate the A7R V after all. Sony's entire model is about trickling stuff down and doing so more effectively than most, so that their previous gen models are still appearing for years to come and can be sold as their lower cost alternatives.
