Panasonic beats Nikon 1

Update - After using both systems, I can affirm that the Panasonic GM1 and GM5 beats the Nikon 1 system in nearly all respects except lens size - especially in low light. The m4/3 systems simply provides better pictures, but both Panasonic and Nikon 1 systems are "dead" - meaning they are no longer made, nor supported, and both systems have their adherents.

And, I have yet to have a Panasonic lens fail and needed to be repaired in Taiwan. However, the Panasonic system seems to be much less of a "closed club system." Don't ever call the Nikon 1 adherents "fan boys" or they will get all huffy, insulted and invite you to leave their forum. I've found the best part of the Nikon 1 system are the smaller (but fewer) lenses and the adapter that allows you to use all the regular Nikon lenses (Larger and heavier then m4/3 lenses).

That's my assessment so my nearly complete set of Nikon 1 stuff will be up for sale soon. Stay tuned.

John

It's brave of you to come here and state your case but don't worry, I'm not going to get huffy. We all like what we like. I had the GM1 for a while and found the ergonomics frustrating - I think the J5 beats it hands down in that respect. You're right about low light performance and lens size, but that's the thing - we all have different priorities and preferences.

As long as we're enjoying taking photos, it doesn't matter much what we use.

Your argument that once upon a time, on one particular day, with a particular non-moving subject, camera system 2 was better than camera system 1 because of this and that, it all reads of as a let off of steam.

ok, you found some old junk on a shelf and realised that you don't like it anymore.

That's fine.

Everyone in the photography and video world will disagree with you and tell you the reality of how bad the Panasonic continuous Autofocus is in video.

As for the sprocket issue, you're like one of these people that drive a car, don't put oil in it and scream unfair when the car only lasts 20,000 miles. That somehow it was a manufacturing or engineering fault.

Well maybe it was, but at least the autofocus worked correctly to start with.

And sprockets have been falling since the start of Humanity. And have needed to be screwed back on and fixed.

So good luck with the sale and hope it funds some newer and more exciting system.

Thank you, Brian. Like what you like.

John

My word, you are sensitive. Thanks for you last line, David. The rest - not so much - written by a f-----, I guess. Banning words now, too, but my car runs fine.

John

kcdogger said:

My word, you are sensitive. Thanks for you last line, David. The rest - not so much - written by a f-----, I guess. Banning words now.

John

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fwiw, I have both Panasonic and Nikon gear.

I like both, but for different reasons.

Good for you, David. Yeah, I don't do video. If I did I'd get a proper video camera.

John

kcdogger said:

Good for you, David. Yeah, I don't do video. If I did I'd get a proper video camera.

John

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Here's the thing, Panasonic aren't a specialist Imaging company whereas Nikon are.

If you knew the history of Panasonic, you'd know that their biggest hit was with Video Recorders.

Then, in Japan, they had big hits with Audio with their Technics brand.

And more recently with Laptops.

I'd have to go through their financials and that's just from memory.

Whereas Nikon tend to only attend to Imaging.

Where is Panasonic in Camera sales in Japan? there domestic market ? Nikon is dominating the latest sales ranking in Japan - Nikon Rumors


Where is Panasonic?

ok, Map camera have Panasonic last:

The latest Map Camera sales ranking:

1. Nikon Z6III
2. Fujifilm X-T50
3. Sony a7C II
4. Nikon Zf
5. Nikon Z8
6. Canon EOS R6 Mark II
7. Sony a7R V
8. Sony a7 IV
9. Panasonic Lumix S9
10. Panasonic Lumix GH7

Sorry, but your story isn't from the current reality.

And saying "Oh I don't do video" is like saying "Oh I only use half of both cameras". So what you are saying is that half an old Lumix camera beat half an old Nikon camera and that is a great story.

It's a hilarious story. But you have it deeply embedded like some inner truth but it's wrong.

However, Good luck with the sale of your gear.

I hope you get the new camera that you are after.

So I should like Nikon 1 because the company only does photographic gear? What the heck does that have to do with anything as far as the pictures I get from a camera? This isn't about history nor the quality of the company that made a particular camera - and my car runs fine - but if you think otherwise, OK, but Nikon can still field dogs of a system. Half a system - Ha, Ha. I never bought nor tested either for video capability. There. It's said - and so what? Stay on topic, please. Whoop!

John

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So I should like Nikon 1 because the company only does photographic gear? What the heck does that have to do with anything as far as the pictures I get from a camera? This isn't about history nor the quality of the company that made a particular camera - and my car runs fine - but if you think otherwise, OK, but Nikon can still field dogs of a system. Half a system - Ha, Ha. I never bought nor tested either for video capability. There. It's said - and so what? Stay on topic, please. Whoop!

John

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Noone is asking you to like the Nikon 1 system.

I don't understand why you don't like the history of Panasonic and I sure have enjoyed watching the historical videos about their successes in Japan when I have been there. They are very inspirational. You claim in the thread to have one of their historically important cameras.

After all, the Nikon 1 system and the GM Lumix's are both historical camera systems in their own right. It's hard to work out what your thread is actually about then.

If you have decided to sell the Nikon gear as a working system and move on, then good luck with that.

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Update - After using both systems, I can affirm that the Panasonic GM1 and GM5 beats the Nikon 1 system in nearly all respects except lens size - especially in low light. The m4/3 systems simply provides better pictures, but both Panasonic and Nikon 1 systems are "dead" - meaning they are no longer made, nor supported, and both systems have their adherents.

And, I have yet to have a Panasonic lens fail and needed to be repaired in Taiwan. However, the Panasonic system seems to be much less of a "closed club system." Don't ever call the Nikon 1 adherents "fan boys" or they will get all huffy, insulted and invite you to leave their forum. I've found the best part of the Nikon 1 system are the smaller (but fewer) lenses and the adapter that allows you to use all the regular Nikon lenses (Larger and heavier then m4/3 lenses).

That's my assessment so my nearly complete set of Nikon 1 stuff will be up for sale soon. Stay tuned.

John

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Everyone here is allowed to have her or his opinion and is allowed to state it here. You stated yours here, and I take it as what it is - an opinion (although you tried wording it as fact, which it isn't; it still is an opinion).

My opinion is different from yours though; I'm not stating it here but did so over in the "This month..." thread. Take a look there if you are interested. Cheers.

Well, David - Enjoy your history, but it has NOTHING to do with my liking one camera series over another. All companies make good and lousy cameras. My preference is for the Panasonic GM series over the Nikon1 series - nothing to do with the history of the companies. ...a silly idea, Introduced as a "red herring," maybe.

John

Thank you. That's my opinion. You are welcome to yours. I base mine ONLY on the pictures I get from the two different series of cams and not on what each manufacturing company has done or will do. ...and still pictures only. I don't do video so it had NO influence on my opinion. Sorry you don't like my "wording."

The cx 70-300 is a great lens IMHO. Some of the others aren't bad either, if they'd just stand the "test of time" and not break - sort of predictably unpredictably. They'll predictably break, you just can't predict when. I haven't had that problem with my m4/3 lenses, but even on a "good" day, my opinion is that the GM series gives better pictures then the Nikon 1 series. Maybe it's the larger sensor, maybe not, but either way, it has nothing to do with the history of the companies that manufacture the two different camera series. Be a f----y for whichever series you like.

Thanks again for not throwing stones - except obliquely - at my stated opinion.

John

kcdogger said:

Be a f----y for whichever series you like.

Thanks again for not throwing stones - except obliquely - at my stated opinion.

John

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Well, I'm certainly not a Nikon 1 f----y, rather a multi-system shooter who picks the tool for the task. The Panasonic series simply didn't fit into my system setup. The N1 system did after the V3 was introduced and I accept to live with its limitations to get the results I want with the effort I want to put into it.

And I usually don't spend any time on fruitless discussions like these. In your OP you came across as a possible forum troll - stating opinion as fact, then trying to alienate people by using specific keywords like f-----y - and I got worried that this niche subforum gets needlessly poisoned. Which you just did again by implicitly calling me a f----y although you know almost nothing about me.

holgerlinke said:

kcdogger said:

Be a f----y for whichever series you like.

Thanks again for not throwing stones - except obliquely - at my stated opinion.

John

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Well, I'm certainly not a Nikon 1 f----y, rather a multi-system shooter who picks the tool for the task. The Panasonic series simply didn't fit into my system setup. The N1 system did after the V3 was introduced and I accept to live with its limitations to get the results I want with the effort I want to put into it.

And I usually don't spend any time on fruitless discussions like these. In your OP you came across as a possible forum troll - stating opinion as fact, then trying to alienate people by using specific keywords like f-----y - and I got worried that this niche subforum gets needlessly poisoned. Which you just did again by implicitly calling me a f----y although you know almost nothing about me.

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Nonsense! Overly sensitive. Yes, this is a fruitless discussion. I simply stated my preference - Like it or not. This didn't start out as an argument. Lets try not to make it one. ...and I'm entitled to my irritation as much as to my opinions.

Be a f----y or not. It simply means you like something a lot, but it is NOT something to get POed about. It makes no difference, just an observation that you-all really like the Nikon 1 system. "Needlessly poisoned" - nonsense. Sense when are you the protector of this thread?

I say again - The GM series gives better still pictures then the Nikon 1 system. That's my OPINION. It is based upon my use of BOTH systems. .... and it has NOTHING to do with the history of the manufacturers nor of the other folks that try so darned hard to misunderstand and to read so much more into it. No one's trying to troll you, nor insult you and if the charactorisation doesn't fit - ignore it! So what? Thanks.

By the way, I think the newer m4/3 cameras beat both the Nikon 1 and the GM series for still picture quality. ...and that's another of my OPINIONS! ...based upon my use of all the stated systems. Again, I have no idea about video quality as I don't use ANY of these cameras to shoot video. Critical of the wording? - Sheesh!

John

Ah, the silence. I guess my OPINION "needlessly poisoned" the thread. Guess I should never state an OPINION - ever. I never knew it had that power. I'll have to watch that darned opinion. ...and my wording - for overly sensitive people. Have a nice day, and please go shoot some nice pictures with whatever camera YOU like.

John

I'd definitely prefer a GM5 over my J5, but I got my J5 with the 6.7-13mm, 18mm f1.8, and 30-110 for $600, whereas a good condition GM5 that isn't in Japanese with no lens costs somewhere between an arm/leg and a functioning kidney. Or at least as much that I'd rather just get a Sony RX100 M7.

kcdogger said:

The m4/3 systems simply provides better pictures ...

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What a revelation. Larger formats generally do that if they're of a similar generation.

Hope1943 said:

Don't ever call the Nikon 1 adherents "fan boys" or they will get all huffy, insulted and invite you to leave their forum.

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Oh, just here? The implication is that users of other camera brands and systems respond to being called that with pleasure and gratitude.

According to your gear list, you own or have owned systems from at least six different brands. Perhaps you post in the forums of all the systems that you don't prefer and don't want to keep just to make sure those users get the benefit of your opinions as a public service. If so, you've done your duty now.

BTW, I don't recall any posts of yours in this forum that attempted to help N1 users get the most from their system. The ones I recall have been about you seeking and receiving knowledge you lacked about the system. At least now you have enough knowledge to realize you made a mistake.

Hope1943 said:

... my nearly complete set of Nikon 1 stuff will be up for sale soon.

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Great. That's good news for everyone.

ishwanu said:

kcdogger said:

The m4/3 systems simply provides better pictures ...

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What a revelation. Larger formats generally do that if they're of a similar generation.

ishwanu said:

Don't ever call the Nikon 1 adherents "fan boys" or they will get all huffy, insulted and invite you to leave their forum.

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Oh, just here? The implication is that users of other camera brands and systems respond to being called that with pleasure and gratitude.

According to your gear list, you own or have owned systems from at least six different brands. Perhaps you post in the forums of all the systems that you don't prefer and don't want to keep just to make sure those users get the benefit of your opinions as a public service. If so, you've done your duty now.

BTW, I don't recall any posts of yours in this forum that attempted to help N1 users get the most from their system. The ones I recall have been about you seeking and receiving knowledge you lacked about the system. At least now you have enough knowledge to realize you made a mistake.

ishwanu said:

... my nearly complete set of Nikon 1 stuff will be up for sale soon.

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Great. That's good news for everyone.

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Hmmm. Whatever. You bet I asked about the system on this forum when I first got the Nikon 1 system. These guys are the most knowledgable, being prior users of the system, and I got a good response and said so. When brand new to a system I would not attempt to help other N1 users because i didn't have enough knowledge about the system then.

I was frankly shocked to learn about the fragile lenses and how most everyone sent them to Taiwan to be fixed and pay extra for them to be fixed. That was another "special" club. Had I known that before hand, I probably would not have bought in at all. Also that the systems best cameras are incomplete - no built in EVF, for example, but the add ons are nice (but they are still add ons) - EVF, grip and the adapter. Finally the cx 70-300 lens is super - but you have to get nearly all of them to have a complete system - or maybe that's only for the V3 - nothing works for the others, I think..

Finally, had I KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME HOW SENSITIVE, BASICALLY STUPID and off topic,, AND APPARENTLY PRONE TO MISUNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE FORUM MEMBERS ARE, i WOULd not have touched the Nikon 1 system with the proverbial 10 foot pole. No opinions except praise wanted nor needed on this forum. It is closed to all except fans of the system (Heck NO! - not fan boys of which there are none around here).

That said - enjoy your system and take some great pictures or at least some pictures, and have a wonderful time doing it. Sorry this didn't work out, and enjoy your "club."

John - the one everyone on this forum loves to hate, misjudge, attribute sinister motives to, etc.! (It will be a looong time before I express another opinion, and never to you-all.) Yeah. I'm stupid, but I do learn to duck the "incoming." .....sometimes.

John

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Finally, had I KNOWN AHEAD OF TIME HOW SENSITIVE, BASICALLY STUPID and off topic,, AND APPARENTLY PRONE TO MISUNDERSTANDING SOME OF THE FORUM MEMBERS ARE, i WOULd not have touched the Nikon 1 system with the proverbial 10 foot pole. No opinions except praise wanted nor needed on this forum. It is closed to all except fans of the system (Heck NO! - not fan boys of which there are none around here).

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LOL. It obviously enrages you that you had planted a troll bait here but nobody has swallowed it.

Why are you shouting? Why do you continue using a derogatory expression? The f----y word has been blocked on these forums for a reason - have you ever asked yourself why that is? Why are you taking efforts to circumvent that blocking?

When you wrote the excerpt above - have you looked into the mirror while writing? Extrapolating from yourself on others is a fallacy.

(BTW, no need to answer here - above questions are rhetoric to answer for yourself. And you made it to my "ignore user" list - congratulations, there were only 3 on it so far in my 15 years of membership)