A1-II is a waste of time, should have made the A1C

That's what they said about the A7RV, but yet I am holding an A7CR,
it didn`t include a hyper expensive 50Mp stacked sensor - ever wondered why the A1 and especially the old A9-II costs so much even now , Stacked sensors add a crazy amount of cost
That's with today's eyes. At the time people thought it was silly to put 61mp sensor in an A7C style body.
and I assure you it isn't "dysfunctional" I
It lacks dials, buttons, fast card slots, a full shutter, fast enough flash sync, buffer and a decent EVF so given the cost (and heat) increase the A1 sensor would add, it`d bomb badly..
Having fewer pro features is not dysfunctional. Heat can be dealt with... Dysfunctional is not the right description.
I would love to have a faster sensor in an A7C body.
Maybe they'll use a semi-stacker in the A7-V then later the A7C-III but you really don`t want the cost of an A1 sensor in there ..
The person who wants this will pay the cost. Lots of hobbyist buying Leicas says that cost isn't the hurdle you think.
 
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Guy is literally saying what I have been saying in this thread...

"Not an A1-2 but an A1+"

 
Guy is literally saying what I have been saying in this thread...

"Not an A1-2 but an A1+"

So A7R IV should have been called Sony A7R IV+?

It had the same sensor with everything else more polished and $400 price bump.
 
Guy is literally saying what I have been saying in this thread...

"Not an A1-2 but an A1+"

So A7R IV should have been called Sony A7R IV+?

It had the same sensor with everything else more polished and $400 price bump.
Er, I think you mean A7RV on the left...
 
Sony would have been better off putting all those features into an A7C class body, adding the new tilty flippy screen, and the CFa port.

If I want an A1 level camera that can use my Sony glass I am going to get a Nikon Z8 for significantly less money.

Not sure what Sony is doing here, but I guess we find out on the 19th of November.
Some good news the price increase will be minimal.

 
Sony would have been better off putting all those features into an A7C class body, adding the new tilty flippy screen, and the CFa port.

If I want an A1 level camera that can use my Sony glass I am going to get a Nikon Z8 for significantly less money.

Not sure what Sony is doing here, but I guess we find out on the 19th of November.
So I am the kind of person who would be interested in buying an A1 II. You'll be unsurprised to hear that I'll be using it with longer lenses like the 300 GM, 70-200 2.8 GM II, the 200-600, and more.

You think I want a tiny body that's hard to hold onto with long lenses? With a single card slot (even if they do add CFeA support)? That won't handle heat as well as a larger body? And probably has a smaller lower res EVF because that's all there is room for?

Yeah, NO!

I want an A1 II in the A9 III body (and I have an A9 III, so I really know that I like it).

Enjoy the Z8!
I hold the 200-600 with an A7CR, with no issues (and slightly less weight than with an A7R5).

You cannot be holding a 200-600 with both hands holding onto the camera. Unless you are a weightlifter, and even then it's not good for the camera. You have to hold it with one hand on camera, and the other holding the lens.

Given that, it makes no difference what the body is, and even better if it weighs less.
 
Sony would have been better off putting all those features into an A7C class body, adding the new tilty flippy screen, and the CFa port.
The C bodies are such severe compromises that they don't got together well with an A9III or A1 feature set. For example,
  • One card slot, and that's SD only
  • The 2.3MDot EVF isn't anywhere near the 9MDot unit
  • A lot less physical controls
  • Badly unbalanced on heavy lenses or a big flash on top
  • Less heat dissipation which will become an issue when that A9III/A1 performance is put to good use for extended periods.
Can't imagine the market for a mini-A1, which certainly wouldn't come with a A7CII price tag, being much larger than the one for the rumored A1II.
If I want an A1 level camera that can use my Sony glass I am going to get a Nikon Z8 for significantly less money.
That I somewhat agree with.

The original A1 sold well despite its substantial price due to being so far ahead of the competition that it essentially had none. Nothing came close to 50MP@30fps with 1/200s readout at that time.

But times have changed and competition has caught up with cameras like the Z8
Sony is resting on its laurels.

It's waiting to be bypassed, not just matched
 
I think that's a bold claim mostly born out of your personal preferences, the A7C series has been an apparent success but the regular SLR styled bodies still seem to sell the best. In addition, there's a variety of reasons why a Z8 won't use your Sony glass as well as any Sony body...

There's a filter stack thickness difference that means E mount wides will perform worse on Z mount bodies, plus none of the built in corrections come over and will have to be applied manually in post (even more worrying for video where it's not as easy), and while the adapters have made great strides they're still far from perfect when it comes to AF and compatibility.

Besides all that, why would Sony wanna cede sales to a Z8 in favor of bringing out a more niche A1C? I've said it all along, the Z8 competitor that people want already exists. It's the A1, it'll just take the A1 II to bring the price of the A1 in line and closer to that of the Z8. If you're expecting Sony to undercut the underdog in this market you're daydreaming tho.

I'd love to have the option to buy an A1 with warranty for ~$4K myself and I would love to see an A1C in the market, I'm just being realistic. I've no predictions on the latter, we'll see where the A1 II pricing lands and what it means for the A1. A lot of people seem to think Sony will just price up the Mk II >$7K and leave the original >$5K but I'm cautiously optimistic.

Not that I'm really in the market for a new body... But I'd be more tempted by an A1 at a lower price than by any other existing body.
 
agree, they can just add some new features to A1 and revive it plus lower its price. no need a1 v2 for now..
This! I don't know what kind of spec bump they could give this camera that would make it more valuable than the current A1 or the Z8.
What would be ideal, if they don't want to make a C style body is to upgrade the body to the a7RV or a9III body, add the same processing as those cameras and call it the A1a (like they did with the A7RIV before the A7RV was ready).
They did no such thing, they swapped the display on the A7R IV due to a parts shortage and that was the sole change on the A model(s)...
 
Is there a consensus that the actual specs of the a1ii are known? Legit question. If so please direct a guy to look at them as I would be interestedto see them.
Everything is rumor at this stage. BUT we are hearing that it will have the same sensor, be a bit faster, and have the a9iii body and CFa slots. So no legitimate information.
If not, how can one make this claim without at least knowing what the new camera is?
I can't. Just having fun with the rumor mill. When the final version is released to the public, I may or may not like it but for now, based on the rumor mill the A1mk2 seems like a waste of time. Time better spent making what I want... :)
Sony is fully capable of developing multiple bodies in parallel. Just like money isn't a limitation for you, time isn't really a constrict on them, however development resources and market research determines what those are devoted to. I think Sony has shown they have a pretty good idea of what the market wants...
 
Sony would have been better off putting all those features into an A7C class body, adding the new tilty flippy screen, and the CFa port.

If I want an A1 level camera that can use my Sony glass I am going to get a Nikon Z8 for significantly less money.

Not sure what Sony is doing here, but I guess we find out on the 19th of November.
So I am the kind of person who would be interested in buying an A1 II. You'll be unsurprised to hear that I'll be using it with longer lenses like the 300 GM, 70-200 2.8 GM II, the 200-600, and more.
What are you getting over the A1 and the A9iii with the new A1 mk2? You are the perfect use case to answer that question. It has to be more than the the ability to handle big lenses, as you have that now.
We don't know what the upgrades are yet - remember, all we have is a rumour, and this from a source who has been spectacularly wrong in the past.

Let's look at what was in the A7RV over the A7RIV:
  • new rear screen (which is on the A9 III as well, and I really want)
  • new EVF (lifting it to the resolution of the A1)
  • CFexpressA slots
  • new AF (the first with the "AI" chip)
  • focus bracketing
  • the stills/video/S&Q switch under the mode dial (giving 9 custom modes instead of 3)
There was more, but those are the things that come immediately to mind. The A1 only has CFexpressA and the A1 EVF.

I expect the A1 II to bring all of the above, and more. It will probably get a bunch of enhancements to the wireless connections, as the A9 III did (I don't use any of it, but I can imagine it being useful to a news photographer). I am sure it will also get the "authenticity" features, too.

The rumour says that the CFexpressA slots will be V4. I already own a couple of V4 CFexpressA cards - they upload to the computer much more quickly (providing you have USB4 and a fast SSD in the computer). Having that in the camera will mean faster burst clearance (and having the A9 III, I can attest that I want that!)

Can they improve the EVF? I don't know if I need more resolution, but I would like to see it keep the resolution up during focussing and shooting, and ideally run at 120Hz. That would be a good improvement to see.

I want to see the camera shooting 30fps and faster in lossless compressed RAW. I refuse to use lossy RAW, so for me the current A1 has a top speed of 20fps. Going to 40, or even 60 fps would be a significant speed boost.

We see the C5 ("turbo") button on the front of the claimed photographs (or they are photoshopped images of the A9 III!) - the extra customisable button is welcome, and it the A1 II had the speed boost option, it would be welcome - I typically run the A9 III at 20 or 30 fps, but boost to 120 at important moments. That would be a welcome addition.

I would very much like to see the A1 II in the A9 III form factor - it is a little more comfortable to hold,

Is all of that enough to justify upgrading an A1 to an A1 II ? It is to me. Owning the A9 III has me wanting those features in an A1. Gee, just like owning an A7RIV and A9 II made me want the original A1 - I don't think that's accidental :-)
Thanks for that. Although I joke a lot, I was having a hard time seeing the justification. But we will know for sure in about two weeks.
You think I want a tiny body that's hard to hold onto with long lenses? With a single card slot (even if they do add CFeA support)? That won't handle heat as well as a larger body? And probably has a smaller lower res EVF because that's all there is room for?
Nah that's what I want. Hence they should be making me an A1C.
And maybe they will. But I get mine first!
I am good with that ;) and look forward to your reporting out...
I can see some justification for a higher speed C model - they have already catered for a higher resolution C model, after all.
YES. I have resolution, now I want speed. I can make do with 8fps, but I can feel the difference when I go back to my a6700 and get 11fps. (I still don't know what I would do with 20fps or even 30fps...)
You'd spend a lot more time in post picking the best shot is what you'd do, heh. I've been there, it's absolute overkill for some moments and incredibly useful for others, and I'm not just talking across different use cases... In the very same use case / event / sport shooting at 30fps one moment could be a waste of space at one point and absolutely crucial a few moments later.

That's why the turbo button Aleph mentioned on the A9 III was such a clever idea, I still wonder why no one had thought of it before or why no (AFAIK) other competitors have implemented it retro-actively via firmware. We've had the ability to switch burst modes for decades but it's always been a menu dive or a few button presses at the very least, being able to hold down a button for the faster preset burst of your choice then releasing it for a more mundane rate is brilliant.

IMO such a simple feature actually makes super fast bursts more usable than even pre-capture does. That's another thing the A1 II will likely gain tho and that does rely on a certain level of hardware support. The AI chip for even better AF alone (something you're already enjoying on a current gen A7CR or II) will be a big improvement on the A1 II, bringing it in line with the A9 III and other recent bodies when it comes to AF and putting it over the top of the A7 series again.
 
Sony would have been better off putting all those features into an A7C class body, adding the new tilty flippy screen, and the CFa port.
The C bodies are such severe compromises that they don't got together well with an A9III or A1 feature set. For example,
  • One card slot, and that's SD only
  • The 2.3MDot EVF isn't anywhere near the 9MDot unit
  • A lot less physical controls
  • Badly unbalanced on heavy lenses or a big flash on top
I disagree with this one but that's subjective...
  • Less heat dissipation which will become an issue when that A9III/A1 performance is put to good use for extended periods.
Can't imagine the market for a mini-A1, which certainly wouldn't come with a A7CII price tag, being much larger than the one for the rumored A1II.
I think you actually left out the biggest compromise by far that the A7C series make vs even the regular A7/R line, let alone the A1/9, the miniscule buffer. Sony has constantly improved the buffer by leaps and bounds between most generations and the A1/9 as sports bodies are at the top in that regard, yet the A7C II/R were actually a regression in that regard vs the gen III bodies, let alone vs current ones.

It's plausible Sony could've implemented pre capture on an A1 via firmware, but it'd be absolutely impossible on an A7C model... What an A1C would look like and what the market for it might be is anyone's guess, but I think I'd agree with you that it's more niche and that it's absolutely time for an A1 II.
If I want an A1 level camera that can use my Sony glass I am going to get a Nikon Z8 for significantly less money.
That I somewhat agree with.

The original A1 sold well despite its substantial price due to being so far ahead of the competition that it essentially had none. Nothing came close to 50MP@30fps with 1/200s readout at that time.

But times have changed and competition has caught up with cameras like the Z8 and R5II. The rumored A1II will bring a couple more fps but at about twice their price, likely still lack something better than h.265 internally or even simple video tools like waveforms. Except people with substantial investments in E-mount glass, I can't imagine who'd buy such an A1II?
People who actually need it professionally, it's not necessarily for existing A1 users, it's literally for everyone else. The A9 III with it's global shutter was arguably more niche... Yet there's still a subset of pros who will absolutely take advantage of it, or either.
There has to be something in that camera to justify its hefty price tag.
See above, for the rest of us the original A1 will likely be coming down in price.
 
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I think that's a bold claim mostly born out of your personal preferences, the A7C series has been an apparent success but the regular SLR styled bodies still seem to sell the best.
Of course it's personal preferences, we all want what we want. SLR bodies sell better because of pros, old habits, and acknowledged and fixable issues with the A7C. But there is a group of people who are paying premium prices for older RF style bodies because they aren't making enough new bodies with these features.
In addition, there's a variety of reasons why a Z8 won't use your Sony glass as well as any Sony body...

There's a filter stack thickness difference that means E mount wides will perform worse on Z mount bodies, plus none of the built in corrections come over and will have to be applied manually in post (even more worrying for video where it's not as easy), and while the a dapters have made great strides they're still far from perfect when it comes to AF and compatibility.
No argument here.
Besides all that, why would Sony wanna cede sales to a Z8 in favor of bringing out a more niche A1C?
An A1C doesn't compete with an A1, it competes with Leica and Fuji.
I've said it all along, the Z8 competitor that people want already exists. It's the A1, it'll just take the A1 II to bring the price of the A1 in line and closer to that of the Z8. If you're expecting Sony to undercut the underdog in this market you're daydreaming tho.
I never said anything about Sony under cutting Nikon. I agree the A1mk2 will make the A1 competitive with the z8. But for how I shoot, if I was looking for an ultimate hybrid, it is the Z8 as of today. But I try to avoid humps when I can.

I'd love to have the option to buy an A1 with warranty for ~$4K myself and I would love to see an A1C in the market, I'm just being realistic. I've no predictions on the latter, we'll see where the A1 II pricing lands and what it means for the A1. A lot of people seem to think Sony will just price up the Mk II >$7K and leave the original >$5K but I'm cautiously optimistic.
My last post confirms your optimism.
Not that I'm really in the market for a new body... But I'd be more tempted by an A1 at a lower price than by any other existing body.
Not if you also shoot high end video. I agree if you are primarily a photographer.
 
It's the perfect upgrade for its market which is the full time Professional sector ...

it`s basically an A9-III with a fast decent DR 50Mp Stacked sensor - sounds as good as it gets for an everyday work camera for those who need a cam that covers stuff which the A7R5 isn`t good at (high FPS Sports & Video) or the A9-III isn`t good at (high resolution prints, crops and anything where wide DR is needed at low ISOs) ...

LIke the orig A1 did with the 4th gen cams , it Does the middle ground thing between the two other hi-end work cams, the A9-III and A7R5 and for most will do enough of all to be all that's needed .... I never ever do High FPS or video so don`t need one (A7R5 is ideal) others will need the global sensor of the A9-III more than the rez but for most, an A1-II will be perfect - those who can afford it of course.....

Sticking A1 guts in a low end dysfunctional A7C series body would be the worst move they could make - it`ll need all the same expensive stuff the A1-II would need pushing the price way beyond what anyone would pay .
 
Sony would have been better off putting all those features into an A7C class body, adding the new tilty flippy screen, and the CFa port.
The C bodies are such severe compromises that they don't got together well with an A9III or A1 feature set. For example,
  • One card slot, and that's SD only
  • The 2.3MDot EVF isn't anywhere near the 9MDot unit
  • A lot less physical controls
  • Badly unbalanced on heavy lenses or a big flash on top
I disagree with this one but that's subjective...
  • Less heat dissipation which will become an issue when that A9III/A1 performance is put to good use for extended periods.
Can't imagine the market for a mini-A1, which certainly wouldn't come with a A7CII price tag, being much larger than the one for the rumored A1II.
I think you actually left out the biggest compromise by far that the A7C series make vs even the regular A7/R line, let alone the A1/9, the miniscule buffer.
Good point, I actually need to shoot in apsc mode to overcome this.

Sony has constantly improved the buffer by leaps and bounds between most generations and the A1/9 as sports bodies are at the top in that regard, yet the A7C II/R were actually a regression in that regard vs the gen III bodies, let alone vs current ones.

It's plausible Sony could've implemented pre capture on an A1 via firmware, but it'd be absolutely impossible on an A7C model... What an A1C would look like and what the market for it might be is anyone's guess, but I think I'd agree with you that it's more niche and that it's absolutely time for an A1 II.
Definitely niche market, but I would submit an A1C gives Sony time to make an even better A1Cmk2, which to me should have a 50MP global shutter to keep it as the true best of breed Camera it is meant to be.
If I want an A1 level camera that can use my Sony glass I am going to get a Nikon Z8 for significantly less money.
That I somewhat agree with.

The original A1 sold well despite its substantial price due to being so far ahead of the competition that it essentially had none. Nothing came close to 50MP@30fps with 1/200s readout at that time.

But times have changed and competition has caught up with cameras like the Z8 and R5II. The rumored A1II will bring a couple more fps but at about twice their price, likely still lack something better than h.265 internally or even simple video tools like waveforms. Except people with substantial investments in E-mount glass, I can't imagine who'd buy such an A1II?
People who actually need it professionally, it's not necessarily for existing A1 users, it's literally for everyone else. The A9 III with it's global shutter was arguably more niche... Yet there's still a subset of pros who will absolutely take advantage of it, or either.
There has to be something in that camera to justify its hefty price tag.
See above, for the rest of us the original A1 will likely be coming down in price.
 
It's the perfect upgrade for its market which is the full time Professional sector ...

it`s basically an A9-III with a fast decent DR 50Mp Stacked sensor - sounds as good as it gets for an everyday work camera for those who need a cam that covers stuff which the A7R5 isn`t good at (high FPS Sports & Video) or the A9-III isn`t good at (high resolution prints, crops and anything where wide DR is needed at low ISOs) ...

LIke the orig A1 did with the 4th gen cams , it Does the middle ground thing between the two other hi-end work cams, the A9-III and A7R5 and for most will do enough of all to be all that's needed .... I never ever do High FPS or video so don`t need one (A7R5 is ideal) others will need the global sensor of the A9-III more than the rez but for most, an A1-II will be perfect - those who can afford it of course.....

Sticking A1 guts in a low end dysfunctional A7C series body would be the worst move they could make - it`ll need all the same expensive stuff the A1-II would need pushing the price way beyond what anyone would pay .
That's what they said about the A7RV, but yet I am holding an A7CR, and I assure you it isn't "dysfunctional" I do sports photography and videography, along with flash, and I shoot scenes in real time (ie constantly moving), so I would love to have a faster sensor in an A7C body. And I don't attract "Pro Photographer" attention, even though I have gear that can generate pro results.
Pros aren't worried about that though...

You're a niche tho, just realize that. A well heeled enthusiast with no pro ambitions who doesn't wanna attract attention with his gear but still wants a high performance body is absolutely a niche. Most enthusiasts are buying the A7/R/C models, not an A1, a few are for sure but not in the same volume as the former.

An A1C would be irrelevant for pros, and that's the market Sony aims the A1/9 at. The fact that they're still relatively small bodies that appeal to enthusiasts is a bonus. CaNikon don't even pretend they care about that with the R1/3 and Z8/9, even tho plenty of Z8 have been sold to enthusiasts.
The EVF is fine, but they could put a better cup around the evf and they could add that slick screen from the A7RV and a CFa slot, and it would be perfect for what I do.
The buffer on the A7C line is still pitiful, I'd rather they address that before adding CFexpress but hopefully both things are improved on the next gen. That wouldn't make it an A1C tho... The 50MP stacked sensor is what makes the A1 the A1.
I mean I am capturing great moments with just 8fps, and 4k60 video with xavc-si and proxies, but I would like a faster flash sync speed, and less rolling shutter.
Then you gotta pony up for a stacked sensor, it's that simple. In Nikon land that can come a bit cheaper because they're the underdog and they have to claw back market share somehow. In Canon or Sony land a fast 1/200+ readout comes with a price. Used A9 bodies are pretty cheap. Hopefully the price of the original A1 will come down as well when the Mk II is released, but that's the Z8 competitor, it's not gonna be a new model out of left field.
 
That's what they said about the A7RV, but yet I am holding an A7CR,
it didn`t include a hyper expensive 50Mp stacked sensor - ever wondered why the A1 and especially the old A9-II costs so much even now , Stacked sensors add a crazy amount of cost
That's with today's eyes. At the time people thought it was silly to put 61mp sensor in an A7C style body.
No, a few people did, some had already done it (eg Sigma fp). Regardless, there wasn't a cost barrier to doing so. IBIS and shutter aside, they didn't have to reinvent the wheel or bring the cost of something down in order to make the A7CR.

An A1C would be $6K+, I think only Sony knows how large the market for that would be, but given their past market moves they're absolutely not trying to undercut themselves on stacked sensor pricing right now (like Nikon is). I think it's gonna take a few more years for that to change, if it ever does. Stacked sensor by their nature will always be more expensive to manufacture.
and I assure you it isn't "dysfunctional" I
It lacks dials, buttons, fast card slots, a full shutter, fast enough flash sync, buffer and a decent EVF so given the cost (and heat) increase the A1 sensor would add, it`d bomb badly..
Having fewer pro features is not dysfunctional. Heat can be dealt with... Dysfunctional is not the right description.
I would love to have a faster sensor in an A7C body.
Maybe they'll use a semi-stacker in the A7-V then later the A7C-III but you really don`t want the cost of an A1 sensor in there ..
The person who wants this will pay the cost. Lots of hobbyist buying Leicas says that cost isn't the hurdle you think.
 
It's the perfect upgrade for its market which is the full time Professional sector ...

it`s basically an A9-III with a fast decent DR 50Mp Stacked sensor - sounds as good as it gets for an everyday work camera for those who need a cam that covers stuff which the A7R5 isn`t good at (high FPS Sports & Video) or the A9-III isn`t good at (high resolution prints, crops and anything where wide DR is needed at low ISOs) ...

LIke the orig A1 did with the 4th gen cams , it Does the middle ground thing between the two other hi-end work cams, the A9-III and A7R5 and for most will do enough of all to be all that's needed .... I never ever do High FPS or video so don`t need one (A7R5 is ideal) others will need the global sensor of the A9-III more than the rez but for most, an A1-II will be perfect - those who can afford it of course.....

Sticking A1 guts in a low end dysfunctional A7C series body would be the worst move they could make - it`ll need all the same expensive stuff the A1-II would need pushing the price way beyond what anyone would pay .
That's what they said about the A7RV, but yet I am holding an A7CR, and I assure you it isn't "dysfunctional" I do sports photography and videography, along with flash, and I shoot scenes in real time (ie constantly moving), so I would love to have a faster sensor in an A7C body. And I don't attract "Pro Photographer" attention, even though I have gear that can generate pro results.
Pros aren't worried about that though...

You're a niche tho, just realize that. A well heeled enthusiast with no pro ambitions who doesn't wanna attract attention with his gear but still wants a high performance body is absolutely a niche. Most enthusiasts are buying the A7/R/C models, not an A1, a few are for sure but not in the same volume as the former.

An A1C would be irrelevant for pros, and that's the market Sony aims the A1/9 at. The fact that they're still relatively small bodies that appeal to enthusiasts is a bonus. CaNikon don't even pretend they care about that with the R1/3 and Z8/9, even tho plenty of Z8 have been sold to enthusiasts.
The EVF is fine, but they could put a better cup around the evf and they could add that slick screen from the A7RV and a CFa slot, and it would be perfect for what I do.
The buffer on the A7C line is still pitiful, I'd rather they address that before adding CFexpress but hopefully both things are improved on the next gen. That wouldn't make it an A1C tho... The 50MP stacked sensor is what makes the A1 the A1.
I mean I am capturing great moments with just 8fps, and 4k60 video with xavc-si and proxies, but I would like a faster flash sync speed, and less rolling shutter.
Then you gotta pony up for a stacked sensor, it's that simple. In Nikon land that can come a bit cheaper because they're the underdog and they have to claw back market share somehow. In Canon or Sony land a fast 1/200+ readout comes with a price. Used A9 bodies are pretty cheap. Hopefully the price of the original A1 will come down as well when the Mk II is released, but that's the Z8 competitor, it's not gonna be a new model out of left field.
I am waiting on a stacked sensor RF style camera, but until then I find work arounds with the A7CR. In Nikon made an RF style Z8, I would sell everything to get it and the 28-400 lens. Then spend the next months playing with the small glass.

But I see the A1 brand as the capabilities leader, and Nikon has 2 cameras that are better in the Z9 and Z8. Maybe there is a reason for the A1MK2 to be released now without a global shutter, but I don't see it.
 
I think that's a bold claim mostly born out of your personal preferences, the A7C series has been an apparent success but the regular SLR styled bodies still seem to sell the best.
Of course it's personal preferences, we all want what we want. SLR bodies sell better because of pros, old habits, and acknowledged and fixable issues with the A7C.
Says you. It seems like you're brushing under the rug the practical advantages of that form factor. The EVF hump will always yield more space for better optics and a better EVF, that isn't changing anytime soon. A lot of people also prefer to have the EVF in line with their lens when shooting action and there's sound arguments why this makes practical/ergonomic sense if you're building a professional tool. Pros don't care about having a less conspicuous or marginally smaller body. The A1 is made for them.

Saying the SLR shapes sell better because of pros is accurate imo, saying it's because "old habits" seems reductionist and misleading. It's fine to wish for an A1C, but it's not gonna come before an overdue A1 II and pretending or looking for excuses why the A1 II isn't "worth it" to you doesn't change the facts on the ground. There'll be plenty of improvements already mentioned on the thread in it, and it won't be for you, make peace with that. More money for lenses... ;)
But there is a group of people who are paying premium prices for older RF style bodies because they aren't making enough new bodies with these features.
What older RF style bodies?
In addition, there's a variety of reasons why a Z8 won't use your Sony glass as well as any Sony body...

There's a filter stack thickness difference that means E mount wides will perform worse on Z mount bodies, plus none of the built in corrections come over and will have to be applied manually in post (even more worrying for video where it's not as easy), and while the a dapters have made great strides they're still far from perfect when it comes to AF and compatibility.
No argument here.
Besides all that, why would Sony wanna cede sales to a Z8 in favor of bringing out a more niche A1C?
An A1C doesn't compete with an A1, it competes with Leica and Fuji.
Nah, you or I might cross shop those, but the vast majority of people interested in Leica aren't buying anything from a Japanese conglomerate (sounds harsh and snobbish but that's literally how they see it) and a good chunk of the X100 hype was built on viral marketing/trends... Yet even Fuji themselves hasn't seen it fit to update the X-Pro, I think that says a lot about the size of that market.

If it was such a big opportunity they would've pounced on it, but they likely know it's fleeting. Either way, that's a niche within a niche, whereas the main A7 & A1 lines are Sony's best sellers... And the timeline is about right for an A1 update.
I've said it all along, the Z8 competitor that people want already exists. It's the A1, it'll just take the A1 II to bring the price of the A1 in line and closer to that of the Z8. If you're expecting Sony to undercut the underdog in this market you're daydreaming tho.
I never said anything about Sony under cutting Nikon. I agree the A1mk2 will make the A1 competitive with the z8. But for how I shoot, if I was looking for an ultimate hybrid, it is the Z8 as of today. But I try to avoid humps when I can.
I'd love to have the option to buy an A1 with warranty for ~$4K myself and I would love to see an A1C in the market, I'm just being realistic. I've no predictions on the latter, we'll see where the A1 II pricing lands and what it means for the A1. A lot of people seem to think Sony will just price up the Mk II >$7K and leave the original >$5K but I'm cautiously optimistic.
My last post confirms your optimism.
Not that I'm really in the market for a new body... But I'd be more tempted by an A1 at a lower price than by any other existing body.
Not if you also shoot high end video. I agree if you are primarily a photographer.
That's why you're a niche within a niche within a niche. Most high end videographers aren't concerned with where their body has a hump or not, they're shooting with cages and all sorts of add ons. In fact, Sony makes hump-less bodies for them (but not for the hybrid enthusiast), see FX3 & FX30. Similarly pros shooting action want that SLR shape. Enthusiasts don't wanna pay more than $1.5-4K.

The cross section of people that want a small body with better video specs to use it stand alone and are willing to pay for it is likely small, when Sony considers it's large enough there'll be an A1C... Saying the A1 II is a waste of time is a leap and hyperbole tho which makes it hard to have a constructive argument in favor of the A1C. Maybe I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed today tho, it was <40F here... :p
 

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