Fuji XH-3 In 2025?

Scott Pickering · Oct 28, 2024

Been seeing Fuji XH-3 rumors popping up recently. One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP. Whether there is any truth to that, what are the chances we'll see a XH-3 in 2025? I know there was a long gap between the XH-1 and XH-2, but I dont suspect they'll take as long for the 3. I need a second camera and I'd rather get a up and coming body instead of an older model.

Powerdoc · Oct 28, 2024

Scott Pickering said:
Been seeing Fuji XH-3 rumors popping up recently. One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP. Whether there is any truth to that, what are the chances we'll see a XH-3 in 2025? I know there was a long gap between the XH-1 and XH-2, but I dont suspect they'll take as long for the 3. I need a second camera and I'd rather get a up and coming body instead of an older model.

My personal bet is that the next sensor will be the stacked version of the 40 mp sensor.

a_c_skinner · Oct 28, 2024

Nothing doing until 2026 I suspect. I've not seen reliable rumours. The X-H2 is said (Thom Hogan) to not be selling hugely. You either need another camera, in which case buy one or you don't. But waiting will be a long wait.

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io_bg · Oct 29, 2024

Scott Pickering said:
Been seeing Fuji XH-3 rumors popping up recently. One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP. Whether there is any truth to that, what are the chances we'll see a XH-3 in 2025? I know there was a long gap between the XH-1 and XH-2, but I dont suspect they'll take as long for the 3. I need a second camera and I'd rather get a up and coming body instead of an older model.

Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

I think we'll be 'stuck' at 40 mp for a while, as someone above said making a stacked version makes sense if the next generation processor can handle it. The 40 mp sensor's main disadvantage is the slow readout speed.

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Waku Waku · Oct 29, 2024

io_bg said:
Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

Probably this

https://fujiaddict.com/2024/10/02/x-trans-fujifilm-super-ccd-exr-and-why-full-frame-rumors-are-clickbait/

io_bg · Oct 29, 2024

c0nfund0 said:
io_bg said:

Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

Click to expand...

Probably this

https://fujiaddict.com/2024/10/02/x...-exr-and-why-full-frame-rumors-are-clickbait/

Ah, I see. But this is not a rumor, just a wish that Fuji will reuse a technology they had years ago (and all other companies if we consider the broader CCD term).

Nowadays it would not make financial sense to create such a niche sensor.

DJF55 · Oct 29, 2024

io_bg said:
Scott Pickering said:

Been seeing Fuji XH-3 rumors popping up recently. One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP. Whether there is any truth to that, what are the chances we'll see a XH-3 in 2025? I know there was a long gap between the XH-1 and XH-2, but I dont suspect they'll take as long for the 3. I need a second camera and I'd rather get a up and coming body instead of an older model.

Click to expand...

Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

I think we'll be 'stuck' at 40 mp for a while, as someone above said making a stacked version makes sense if the next generation processor can handle it. The 40 mp sensor's main disadvantage is the slow readout speed.

... but which benefits DR. And if they put a stacked 40MP sensor in the X-H3, what will they put in the X-H6 and in the X-H3s?

bastibe · Oct 29, 2024

We're still waiting for the X-Pro4 and X-E5. I'd guess these will be released before we see a new sensor generation.

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To say nothing of the X70S.

Artur Darulewski · Oct 29, 2024

I see no reason for H2 replacement today. 80MPix APSC sounds insane considering current sensor technology.

I'm pretty sure that the new generation will be based on the new, more powerful CPU (I could imagine H2s mkII with dual X-processor5 in order to speed-up AF-C/tracking calculations).

New sensor? Maybe, but I would rather have more DR with 40MP than more MP.

I think it's too early for global shutter (as it also impacts on DR vide Sony A9III).

I hope Fujifilm improve their AF-C first to leverage sales of XF500/5.6.

I'd like to get reinforced pro wildlife body with good ergonomics (H2s is really far from being perfect), but i think most of H2 users are happy so far.

And I'm pretty sure we'll see X-Pro4 before H3(s)

Cheers,

Artur

Morris0 · Oct 29, 2024

All those MP to post a square postage stamp on Instagram? What is the use case?

Morris

Scott Pickering · Oct 29, 2024

io_bg said:
Scott Pickering said:

One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP.

Click to expand...

The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

You're misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying they are bringing back a CCD sensor, I was saying they are using the tech from their Super CCD sensor in todays X trans sensor. Something about a 45 degree something or other, allowing the old 40MP sensor to become an 80MP sensor. It has the same qualities of the 40MP sensor, but gives the rez of an 80. The video was recently on Camera Zone.

(3) 80 Megapixel in the NEW Fuji X-H3? - YouTube

Scott Pickering · Oct 29, 2024

I'd ask that question to people who use the GFX cameras, but want something smaller and quicker.

MJ_Photo38 · Oct 29, 2024

io_bg said:
c0nfund0 said:

io_bg said:

Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

Click to expand...

Probably this

https://fujiaddict.com/2024/10/02/x...-exr-and-why-full-frame-rumors-are-clickbait/

Click to expand...

Ah, I see. But this is not a rumor, just a wish that Fuji will reuse a technology they had years ago (and all other companies if we consider the broader CCD term).

Nowadays it would not make financial sense to create such a niche sensor.

The principle behind super CCD is exclusive to Fujifilm though. Regular CCD sensors were just like regular CMOS sensors are today : square photosites in rows and columns, all being the same size.

The Super CCD sensor had two types of photodiodes : a large one to collect the most photons possible (in low light) and a small one (to not get to saturation as quick as the large one).

That led to much better dynamic range figures than contemporary sensors, at the cost of reduced resolution (but the same pixel count). At least until more advanced CMOS sensors came along and basically negated the DR advantage Super CCD had. It was an intelligent way to circumvent the technology of the time, however I wonder if it could be used with CMOS technology, to achieve the same effect.

My guess is the compromises would be too big for it to make sense at all.

MJ_Photo38 · Oct 29, 2024

DJF55 said:
io_bg said:

Scott Pickering said:

Been seeing Fuji XH-3 rumors popping up recently. One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP. Whether there is any truth to that, what are the chances we'll see a XH-3 in 2025? I know there was a long gap between the XH-1 and XH-2, but I dont suspect they'll take as long for the 3. I need a second camera and I'd rather get a up and coming body instead of an older model.

Click to expand...

Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

I think we'll be 'stuck' at 40 mp for a while, as someone above said making a stacked version makes sense if the next generation processor can handle it. The 40 mp sensor's main disadvantage is the slow readout speed.

Click to expand...

... but which benefits DR. And if they put a stacked 40MP sensor in the X-H3, what will they put in the X-H6 and in the X-H3s?

Okay, just a guess : this isn't as much of a problem as you think it would be.

Just give the X-H3S a stacked 40MP, discontinue the X-H2S, reduce the price of the X-H2 to X-T5 levels, and the X-T5 down to X-T3 levels (so around $1500 instead of $1700) and to me this is a camera lineup that makes sense.

$2500 - X-H3S 40MP stacked BSI

$1700 - X-H2 40MP non stacked BSI

$1500 - X-T5 40MO non stacked BSI

Maybe refresh the X-H2 into an X-H3 with an updated processor that I think would come with the X-H3S, keep the X-T5 as it is.

This is purely speculation by the way. Not even an educated guess at this point.

majosm · Oct 29, 2024

Scott Pickering said:
io_bg said:

Scott Pickering said:

One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP.

Click to expand...

The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

Click to expand...

You're misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying they are bringing back a CCD sensor, I was saying they are using the tech from their Super CCD sensor in todays X trans sensor. Something about a 45 degree something or other, allowing the old 40MP sensor to become an 80MP sensor. It has the same qualities of the 40MP sensor, but gives the rez of an 80. The video was recently on Camera Zone.

(3) 80 Megapixel in the NEW Fuji X-H3? - YouTube

Getting strong "AI content mill" vibes from that channel. I don't think I would put much stock in what they say. (Not saying the technology isn't real, just that they're likely not a reliable source.)

io_bg · Oct 30, 2024

DJF55 said:
io_bg said:

Scott Pickering said:

Been seeing Fuji XH-3 rumors popping up recently. One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP. Whether there is any truth to that, what are the chances we'll see a XH-3 in 2025? I know there was a long gap between the XH-1 and XH-2, but I dont suspect they'll take as long for the 3. I need a second camera and I'd rather get a up and coming body instead of an older model.

Click to expand...

Not sure where you get your rumors from, but I'd disregard the above. The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

I think we'll be 'stuck' at 40 mp for a while, as someone above said making a stacked version makes sense if the next generation processor can handle it. The 40 mp sensor's main disadvantage is the slow readout speed.

Click to expand...

... but which benefits DR. And if they put a stacked 40MP sensor in the X-H3, what will they put in the X-H6 and in the X-H3s?

The stacked sensor would be a X-H3s feature of course.

io_bg · Oct 30, 2024

Scott Pickering said:
io_bg said:

Scott Pickering said:

One said it may have a Super CCD style X trans sensor that bumps rez up to 80MP.

Click to expand...

The chances of us getting a CCD sensor in 2025 are close to zero. Or a higher-than-40-mp APS-C sensor for that matter.

Click to expand...

You're misunderstanding me. I wasn't saying they are bringing back a CCD sensor, I was saying they are using the tech from their Super CCD sensor in todays X trans sensor. Something about a 45 degree something or other, allowing the old 40MP sensor to become an 80MP sensor. It has the same qualities of the 40MP sensor, but gives the rez of an 80. The video was recently on Camera Zone.

(3) 80 Megapixel in the NEW Fuji X-H3? - YouTube

Okay then, but it would still require a custom sensor which will be prohibitively expensive especially for a small player like Fuji.

JC_123 · Oct 30, 2024

No, I'm sure we will not see a new APS-C fujifilm sensor in 2025. 2026 at the earliest. They'll likely first come through with the X-Pro 4.

Also, I am sure there wouldn't be a traditional CCD sensor, but I would not be surprised if we see first gen Fujifilm/Panasonic organic sensor used. They will probably also continue to use an updated version of the 40mp APS-C sensor.

It would be pointless to go to 50mp+. Diffraction will limit us at what? f2.8 if we have 80mp in a sensor that small? Just useless junk info from the sensor beyond what could be resolved in this universe.

Next up is probably something GFX and a little 1" sensor point and shoot. I am hoping to see the debut of the organic sensor tech at that point btw.

Momoshi · Nov 19, 2024

I just wanna film directly to SSD :')

ASeventhSea · Nov 19, 2024

bastibe said:
We're still waiting for the X-Pro4 and X-E5. I'd guess these will be released before we see a new sensor generation.

At this point I think there’s zero chance of an X-Pro4 with the current sensor/processor generation.

It’ll be an expensive, niche camera if and when it comes - buyers will want to know they’re getting the best Fuji have to offer, not something that will be completely superseded within a few months or a year.

My bet is that they’ll take a leaf out of the X-Pro2’s book and make it the launch camera for the next sensor.

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