New interview with mention of Foveon

New sensor still in development, but too early to share timeline.

Johan Borg said:

New sensor still in development, but too early to share timeline.

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Johan,

The fact that he says he has a timeline but cannot share it yet seems to be a little more hopeful.

S

And no talk of a new Bayer CFA camera to replace the Sigma fp, which just celebrated five years in production.

SigmaTog said:

And no talk of a new Bayer CFA camera to replace the Sigma fp, which just celebrated five years in production.

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Maybe we'll hear something on fp day?

https://blog.sigmaphoto.com/events/sigma-fp-day/

Or not, they added:

PS: We’ve read the rumors! No, we’re not announcing a new product at fp Day

Ceistinne said:

Johan Borg said:

New sensor still in development, but too early to share timeline.

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Johan,

The fact that he says he has a timeline but cannot share it yet seems to be a little more hopeful.

S

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I think he is not sharing the timeline because they still don't know how to overcome the hurdles they are facing. In this situation, it is pointless to talk about the timeline. It might be a breakthrough tomorrow, or it might take them 3 more years to figure it out.

Besides, he already did it once, and ended up having to apologize for it because it ended up being a far greater challenge than previously thought. I think he wont be making that mistake again (of promising any deadlines for this specific project).

Stillton said:

Ceistinne said:

Johan Borg said:

New sensor still in development, but too early to share timeline.

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Johan,

The fact that he says he has a timeline but cannot share it yet seems to be a little more hopeful.

S

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I think he is not sharing the timeline because they still don't know how to overcome the hurdles they are facing. In this situation, it is pointless to talk about the timeline. It might be a breakthrough tomorrow, or it might take them 3 more years to figure it out.

Besides, he already did it once, and ended up having to apologize for it because it ended up being a far greater challenge than previously thought. I think he wont be making that mistake again (of promising any deadlines for this specific project).

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Yes but the project is now almost eight years old.

S

what he says:

"we do have a timeline but I don't think we can share it because we are still not sure whether we will be able to make it product"

I'm not seeing anything wrong with the sdQH.

Just put a good lens on it and you are "off to the races" as they say somewhere in some country (ies).

Some day, although some of us may not be around then, someone will write the story of Sigma and call it "Inside Sigma, the story of the quest for a successor to the Fovoen chip"

D Cox said:

I'm not seeing anything wrong with the sdQH.

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Don,

You are right.

S

D Cox said:

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rick decker said:

Just put a good lens on it and you are "off to the races" as they say somewhere in some country (ies).

Some day, although some of us may not be around then, someone will write the story of Sigma and call it "Inside Sigma, the story of the quest for a successor to the Fovoen chip"

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Rick,

Indeed well after we will have departed this life, but then we are the story up to now.

S

D Cox said:

I'm not seeing anything wrong with the sdQH.

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Well, it still works just fine, but it doesn't take L mount lenses, and Sigma doesn't make any new SA mount lenses, so as time goes by, fewer and fewer SA mount lenses are available (e.g. not a single macro lens is available new now, except maybe the 70mm f2.8 Art). I really wish Sigma had made an SD Quattro H in L mount. I think I would have bought one by now.

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fronko said:

what he says:

"we do have a timeline but I don't think we can share it because we are still not sure whether we will be able to make it product"

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Translation: "stuck with no obvious way out, but not willing to concede defeat just yet".

TN Args said:

fronko said:

what he says:

"we do have a timeline but I don't think we can share it because we are still not sure whether we will be able to make it product"

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Translation: "stuck with no obvious way out, but not willing to concede defeat just yet".

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perseverance is for the the wright brothers of this world and "sunken cost" is for the bean counters.

Scottelly said:

Well, it still works just fine, but it doesn't take L mount lenses, and Sigma doesn't make any new SA mount lenses, so as time goes by, fewer and fewer SA mount lenses are available (e.g. not a single macro lens is available new now, except maybe the 70mm f2.8 Art). I really wish Sigma had made an SD Quattro H in L mount. I think I would have bought one by now.

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One could wish Sigma could provide a supported camera convert mount service so you can convert your Sigma SD Quattro to L mount, then all you require is the existing SA to L mount adaptor to use your existing lenses or convert them to L mount and then continue to invest in L mount lenses.

They've had a few people already convert their cameras to L mount so it's definitely possible (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66409147)

Sigma Mount Converter MC21 Sigma SA to L

PCummins said:

They've had a few people already convert their cameras to L mount so it's definitely possible (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66409147)

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Aesthetically defective and technically not functional. Instead of a camera compatible with best-in-class prime autofocus lenses, they got what they got.

With great regret I watched on act of senseless vandalism against the sd Quattro... There is no reason why this gem of engineering should be so mocked.

Scottelly said:

Well, it still works just fine, but it doesn't take L mount lenses, and Sigma doesn't make any new SA mount lenses, so as time goes by, fewer and fewer SA mount lenses are available (e.g. not a single macro lens is available new now, except maybe the 70mm f2.8 Art). I really wish Sigma had made an SD Quattro H in L mount. I think I would have bought one by now.

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Unfortunately, since 2019 they have stopped producing not only SA lenses, but also EF and others for DSLR.
An indicative moment happened in 2023, when the CINE 65mm T1.5 FF was released. Before that, CINE lenses duplicated the corresponding Art prime lenses and appeared simultaneously. But Sigma 65mm F1.4 DG HSM Art has not been released and will not be released, unfortunately.

DLSR systems were sent to the past.

:-(

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Scottelly said:

Well, it still works just fine, but it doesn't take L mount lenses, and Sigma doesn't make any new SA mount lenses, so as time goes by, fewer and fewer SA mount lenses are available (e.g. not a single macro lens is available new now, except maybe the 70mm f2.8 Art). I really wish Sigma had made an SD Quattro H in L mount. I think I would have bought one by now.

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One could wish Sigma could provide a supported camera convert mount service so you can convert your Sigma SD Quattro to L mount, then all you require is the existing SA to L mount adaptor to use your existing lenses or convert them to L mount and then continue to invest in L mount lenses.

They've had a few people already convert their cameras to L mount so it's definitely possible (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66409147)

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True, but I don't see them offering a solution like this, because it would require some pretty significant changes to not only the hardware, but the firmware too (for the camera to be made compatible with all those L mount lenses). Just programming the firmware might be very difficult, and it would only be used on a few cameras (maybe a few hundred). I doubt the development cost of that firmware would be cheap enough to make it worth spending the money.

I mean they would probably have to dedicate a few weeks of firmware programming time (hundreds of hours at a cost of probably $50 or $60 per hour at least). How much would people be willing to pay for this upgrade? I'm guessing about $500. Some might be willing to pay $1,000 or a bit more, but I would guess the number of people willing to pay that much is quite small (maybe a few dozen). If there are 6,000 SD Quattro and SD Quattro H cameras out there (I'm guessing they might have made 1,000 SD Quattro H bodies and 5,000 SD Quattro bodies), then even if half of them decide to pay for the upgrade, that's only 3,000 people. At $500 each that's $1,500,000 total. If they can have one person do the hardware change on five cameras per day ($50 per camera), make the parts for $100 per camera, and pay for packaging and shipping the camera back to the customers for about $20 per camera, then it would probably pay to do it . . . but would half the SD Quattro owners out there be willing to pay $500 to switch their camera to L mount? I would guess that most of those photographers already have the lenses they want for their SD Quattro by now.

I would like to get the 65mm and 35mm f2 i lenses, and that amazing new 14mm f1.4 Art. I would probably get a couple of other L mount lenses that come out in the future too, so I would be one of the people willing to pay that much money, but I don't think there are many SD Quattro shooters who are like me. I already have four macro lenses and several Art lenses for my SD Quattro H. I don't think many photographers have more than three or four lenses, and plan to buy more than one or two more. I can't see someone paying $500 to convert their camera to L mount, unless they plan to buy more than just one or two L mount lenses to put on that camera. It could be that Sigma gets just a hundred or two-hundred customers for that conversion service, and I seriously doubt they'd make any money doing it for that many customers.

Still, I wonder if Mr. Yamaki has thought about offering such a modification for the SD Quattro and SD Quattro H.

Mohlion said:

Scottelly said:

Well, it still works just fine, but it doesn't take L mount lenses, and Sigma doesn't make any new SA mount lenses, so as time goes by, fewer and fewer SA mount lenses are available (e.g. not a single macro lens is available new now, except maybe the 70mm f2.8 Art). I really wish Sigma had made an SD Quattro H in L mount. I think I would have bought one by now.

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Unfortunately, since 2019 they have stopped producing not only SA lenses, but also EF and others for DSLR.
An indicative moment happened in 2023, when the CINE 65mm T1.5 FF was released. Before that, CINE lenses duplicated the corresponding Art prime lenses and appeared simultaneously. But Sigma 65mm F1.4 DG HSM Art has not been released and will not be released, unfortunately.

DLSR systems were sent to the past.

:-(

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I wish we could send some DSLR systems to the past. I'd send my Nikon D810 back to when I was in college (with my 85mm f1.4 G and some batteries and a battery charger, of course).