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ishwanu said:
ishwanu said:
Okay, we have to pay living costs and if you don't work somehow while studying you will need to get student loan.
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ishwanu said:
I don't know how much student loan in USA for example students need but I did fund my living costs with student loan + benefits.
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My daughter obtained a master's degree four years ago. I just did a quick check on current tuition at the colleges she attended. The four-year public undergraduate college now costs about $11,000 per year for in-state residents. (My records say it was only half that much when she attended!) The two-year public graduate school now costs about $14,000 per year for in-state residents. Private schools are much more expensive.

She lived on her own and also worked for most of those years. Even though we paid a considerable chunk of the tuition and living expenses ourselves, and she had some scholarship funds, her student loan debt was about $60,000. She would be in debt for much more if she finished the program this year.

(BTW, she has a same age friend who went into dentistry. His student debt is $300,000.)
ishwanu said:
These days the government in Finland will probably increase the portion you'll have to fund through loan or just live with your parents. And current right wing government will make it harder for people to work in Finland too if you are an immigrant. They want to kick immigrants out if they don't find jobs in 3 months etc. But this is not my expertise and kind of off topic here :)
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Yes, it's off-topic. I was just curious, though.
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It may be off topic but worth the mention. The divide between ordinary and wealthy in the U.S. is a battle not enough citizens are even aware of.

But, back on topic . . . I would be curious how you, having switched over to Affinity, would describe the differences in use, work flow etc. from PS. I left Adobe years ago when they went subscription. I know the RAW developer module of Affinity is abysmal and use DxO Pl 7 elite - I can't think that Adobe can top that. So, I'm not tempted to switch back to Adobe for any reason.
 
Philip Eihuyar said:
Philip Eihuyar said:
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But, back on topic . . . I would be curious how you, having switched over to Affinity, would describe the differences in use, work flow etc. from PS. I left Adobe years ago when they went subscription. I know the RAW developer module of Affinity is abysmal and use DxO Pl 7 elite - I can't think that Adobe can top that. So, I'm not tempted to switch back to Adobe for any reason.
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After Adobe implemented NR AI, DXO PL lost it's biggest advantage. AI masking is better in Adobe. Printing is better from Adobe. Auto tone is better in Adobe. Lens blur is better in Adobe. And on top of it pixel editing is better in Adobe (PS). Plus Portfolio. And all is for $10/mo.
 
Sagittarius said:
Philip Eihuyar said:
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But, back on topic . . . I would be curious how you, having switched over to Affinity, would describe the differences in use, work flow etc. from PS. I left Adobe years ago when they went subscription. I know the RAW developer module of Affinity is abysmal and use DxO Pl 7 elite - I can't think that Adobe can top that. So, I'm not tempted to switch back to Adobe for any reason.
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After Adobe implemented NR AI, DXO PL lost it's biggest advantage.
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Not really. DeepPRIME [XD] is fully integrated into the PL non-destructive workflow. No clunky DNG transfer files. It can be used effortlessly and automatically.
Sagittarius said:
AI masking is better in Adobe.
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PL7 doesn’t have AI masking at all.
Sagittarius said:
Printing is better from Adobe. Auto tone is better in Adobe. Lens blur is better in Adobe.
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No, anything to do with lens correction is much better in DxO.
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And on top of it pixel editing is better in Adobe (PS).
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PL doesn’t do pixel editing at all. PL users who want it tend to use Affinity Photo.
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Plus Portfolio. And all is for $10/mo.
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Sagittarius said:
Philip Eihuyar said:
Sagittarius said:
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But, back on topic . . . I would be curious how you, having switched over to Affinity, would describe the differences in use, work flow etc. from PS. I left Adobe years ago when they went subscription. I know the RAW developer module of Affinity is abysmal and use DxO Pl 7 elite - I can't think that Adobe can top that. So, I'm not tempted to switch back to Adobe for any reason.
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After Adobe implemented NR AI, DXO PL lost it's biggest advantage. AI masking is better in Adobe. Printing is better from Adobe. Auto tone is better in Adobe. Lens blur is better in Adobe. And on top of it pixel editing is better in Adobe (PS). Plus Portfolio. And all is for $10/mo.
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Thanks for info. I was, though, wondering if simply working with standard enhancements, -layers and such- is different (easier/harder). One of the difficult areas I had years ago with PS was printing I saw this vastly improved when using Q-Image and again, doubt if PS can improve on that. I do think Affinity could improve the user interface and if only DxO PL had decent pixel layer editing, or Affinity had all that DxO has and with a printing module as efficient as Q-Image with the extras Q-Image has, that would be a winner. As it is, my workflow is through three apps and not too complicated. When you add up the costs of those apps in total vs subscriptions for PS over a small number of years, At the least, it is quite competitive (with room for improvement)
 
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Philip Eihuyar said:
Sagittarius said:
Philip Eihuyar said:
Philip Eihuyar said:
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But, back on topic . . . I would be curious how you, having switched over to Affinity, would describe the differences in use, work flow etc. from PS. I left Adobe years ago when they went subscription. I know the RAW developer module of Affinity is abysmal and use DxO Pl 7 elite - I can't think that Adobe can top that. So, I'm not tempted to switch back to Adobe for any reason.
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After Adobe implemented NR AI, DXO PL lost it's biggest advantage. AI masking is better in Adobe. Printing is better from Adobe. Auto tone is better in Adobe. Lens blur is better in Adobe. And on top of it pixel editing is better in Adobe (PS). Plus Portfolio. And all is for $10/mo.
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Thanks for info. I was, though, wondering if simply working with standard enhancements, -layers and such- is different (easier/harder). One of the difficult areas I had years ago with PS was printing I saw this vastly improved when using Q-Image and again, doubt if PS can improve on that. I do think Affinity could improve the user interface and if only DxO PL had decent pixel layer editing, or Affinity had all that DxO has and with a printing module as efficient as Q-Image with the extras Q-Image has, that would be a winner. As it is, my workflow is through three apps and not too complicated. When you add up the costs of those apps in total vs subscriptions for PS over a small number of years, At the least, it is quite competitive (with room for improvement)
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There you go. I think the goal for most of us is not about getting the greatest number of features or the best implementations of them. It's about getting the capabilities we actually want and will use without also paying for things we don't want and don't use.
 
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ATP62 said:
Digital Nigel said:
ATP62 said:
Printing is better from Adobe. Auto tone is better in Adobe. Lens blur is better in Adobe.
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No, anything to do with lens correction is much better in DxO.
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I think you are wrong here. Lightroom use AI to blur specific part (often background) of the image. I don't think DxO has something like this at all ....
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That’s true, but adding fake bokeh is nothing to do with lens correction (where you’re trying to compensate for lens softness).

However, you can easily blur backgrounds in PL using local adjustments (usually graduated filters or control lines), but there’s no AI involved.
 
BobKnDP said:
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Mizachs said:
I have been Adobe customer for around 20 years and subscriber for photography plan for maybe ten years now. I think it is a great software, probably the best. Now I am thinking of going to unsubscribe Adobe apps. I mainly use Nikon cameras and it comes with free Nikon NX Studio. Affinity suite 2 is now in trial mode and I purchased perpetual license of the Luminar Neo. I'm feeling new enthusiasm towards editing photos and creating new kind of images. Maybe I was in a rut and now I just need a break from Adobe. Things have changed in 20 years quite a bit. What I realize now is that I don't own anything from Adobe and can't use Lightroom for even a short period in case I need it for something the other software can't do. I know a few people are still using those years old Photoshop versions. I kind of miss those times when I just purchased a boxed version of Lightroom. I made the final decision to unsubscribe after watching Tony and Chelsea Northrup video on Adobe software.


I hope Adobe would make some changes to how long to subscribe etc. I use Lightroom, Photoshop & Premiere and it's also making less sense now because of competition offering a lot of good features for less money (free).
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It’s great to have choices, and if Adobe is too expensive, there is plenty of other software packages to choose from.
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This isn't to defend Adobe, but the 20GB $120/year photo plan seems inexpensive to me. That may be because I'm unlikely to let any app go without updates for long.

Others may feel differently.
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This!

I cancelled some days ago (renew coming up) after reading raving reviews of On1, DxO PL and Affinity Photo.

I've tried out On1 and DxO PL, and realize I'll have to renew my subscription to Adobe (Creative Cloud Photography plan) next month after all.

Had the same experience with Luminar some years ago, ended up with a refund in the end.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

(80k+ images (from 2001), some familiarity with Lightroom and PS after 15+ years)

I miss Apple Aperture :(
 
Digital Nigel said:


However, you can easily blur backgrounds in PL using local adjustments (usually graduated filters or control lines), but there’s no AI involved.
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LR use Depth map to Decide what to blur. I think you gonna struggle a lot to this with local adjustment in DxO.



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ATP62 said:
Digital Nigel said:
However, you can easily blur backgrounds in PL using local adjustments (usually graduated filters or control lines), but there’s no AI involved.
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LR use Depth map to Decide what to blur. I think you gonna struggle a lot to this with local adjustment in DxO.

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Sure, LR/PS have a number of AI features that PL7 lacks.
 
ATP62 said:
ThomasNorway said:
I cancelled some days ago (renew coming up) after reading raving reviews of On1, DxO PL and Affinity Photo.
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DxO will probably release a new version in the end of September.
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I'll wait for version 8, but I have to say the value proposition of Lightroom+Photoshop is hard to beat at $120/year.

The cost of DxO PhotoLab Elite "One-time purchase" is $229 and I'd probably upgrade every year at 50% off ($114.50) - making the yearly price way higher then Adobes offer.
 
ThomasNorway said:
I'll wait for version 8, but I have to say the value proposition of Lightroom+Photoshop is hard to beat at $120/year.

The cost of DxO PhotoLab Elite "One-time purchase" is $229 and I'd probably upgrade every year at 50% off ($114.50) - making the yearly price way higher then Adobes offer.
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Does Elite come with Viewpoint, or do you still have to pay extra ($99) for that?
 
ThomasNorway said:
ATP62 said:
ThomasNorway said:
I cancelled some days ago (renew coming up) after reading raving reviews of On1, DxO PL and Affinity Photo.
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DxO will probably release a new version in the end of September.
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I'll wait for version 8, but I have to say the value proposition of Lightroom+Photoshop is hard to beat at $120/year.

The cost of DxO PhotoLab Elite "One-time purchase" is $229 and I'd probably upgrade every year at 50% off ($114.50) - making the yearly price way higher then Adobes offer.
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As has often been said, only buy DxO products during sale times, particularly BF. That cuts the cost a lot. But, in general, people don't buy PhotoLab to save money. It's a premium product at a premium price.
 
gscotten said:
ThomasNorway said:
I'll wait for version 8, but I have to say the value proposition of Lightroom+Photoshop is hard to beat at $120/year.

The cost of DxO PhotoLab Elite "One-time purchase" is $229 and I'd probably upgrade every year at 50% off ($114.50) - making the yearly price way higher then Adobes offer.
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Does Elite come with Viewpoint, or do you still have to pay extra ($99) for that?
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Both ViewPoint and FilmPack are built right into PhotoLab, but their features don't get turned on unless they are purchased separately. However, ViewPoint's perspective adjustment tool has been included with PhotoLab since PL6, without needing to purchase ViewPoint. The latter brings several other tools to PhotoLab, which I use regularly.
 
ThomasNorway said:
ATP62 said:
ThomasNorway said:
I cancelled some days ago (renew coming up) after reading raving reviews of On1, DxO PL and Affinity Photo.
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DxO will probably release a new version in the end of September.
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I'll wait for version 8, but I have to say the value proposition of Lightroom+Photoshop is hard to beat at $120/year.

The cost of DxO PhotoLab Elite "One-time purchase" is $229 and I'd probably upgrade every year at 50% off ($114.50) - making the yearly price way higher then Adobes offer.
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Last year on BF, I got more than 40 % discount on Amazon on the Adobe CC. Since Adobe allow stacking , I paid for many years ahead :-)
 
ThomasNorway said:
ATP62 said:
ThomasNorway said:
I cancelled some days ago (renew coming up) after reading raving reviews of On1, DxO PL and Affinity Photo.
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DxO will probably release a new version in the end of September.
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I'll wait for version 8, but I have to say the value proposition of Lightroom+Photoshop is hard to beat at $120/year.

The cost of DxO PhotoLab Elite "One-time purchase" is $229 and I'd probably upgrade every year at 50% off ($114.50) - making the yearly price way higher then Adobes offer.
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$114.50 is cheaper than $120. If you wait for the Black Friday sales as most of us do the cost is much lower. I believe if you upgrade every year or every other year during black Friday the cost is $99. You can also wait 2 years to get the upgrade price which cuts the cost in half. Another factor is PhotoLab will work forever while software with subscription services either stops working or you lose all features that require online access. A lot depends on how important the extra capabilities of Photoshop are. For me they are not but for others the extra capabilities make the subscription a good deal.

I will add that I like PL better than Lightroom/Photoshop because for me it's a lot easier to get the results I'm after.

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Tom
 
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Zeee said:
ATP62 said:
ThomasNorway said:
I cancelled some days ago (renew coming up) after reading raving reviews of On1, DxO PL and Affinity Photo.
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DxO will probably release a new version in the end of September.
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There is no probably.
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The 'probably' is simply the question of whether it'll be this month or next.
Zeee said:
There will be PL8 this fall.
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Yes, but will it be this month?
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That’s a guarantee.
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