fotosean
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My thoughts exactly. Had to do a double take on that one...and rubbed the sand out of my eyes, just to make sure I was seeing clearly.
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NR floating a Z50 II announcement in 2024
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Thom Hogan
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I agree. I had an article that was queued for publishing a couple of weeks ago that I decided to hold, partly because Nikon's plans changed a little bit on when they were going to begin the last call type discounting.
However, the change in EU regulations regarding digital cameras is certainly something that negatively impacts potential future sales, and would have driven Nikon to make determinations about all the DSLR product. Nikon has been winding down DSLRs faster than Canon, but I expect both of them see December 2024 as the last call.
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20 MP is fine for a DX body and, in my opinion, the upper limit if you want decent image quality. The Z50 II needs a faster sensor, Expeed 7, and a similar autofocus to the modern Expeed 7 cameras.
I'm planning a safari tour next year and I need a capable second body for that. A Z50 II could be the perfect camera for that, if Nikon does it right: small body, relatively cheap with good autofocus performance. There is a demand for such a second body for wildlife and Nikon cares about wildlife photography.
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hrav
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Nikon needs R7 competitor.
Ike_Welshman
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They do indeed. Eventually and inevitably Nikon will go there.
But Z50 II isn't where that's going to be accomplished.
The Z50 is cute. To me it mainly seems like a fun reason to pick up the
MC 105mm f/2.8 VR S.
A "kit" camera for that particular lens, if you will.
starbase218
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I don’t think this would be needed. Battery chargers themselves aren’t actually affected by this afaik.
that can only be recharged separately from the radio equipment.
To “sell like hotcakes” in my opinion will absolutely require that the Z50ii maintain its compact size. Anything more than a minor increase in size and weight (similar percent change the Z6iii had over the Z6/Z6ii) defeats the purpose of a DX general purpose body. Many want Nikon to keep the built in flash. I don’t anticipate any type of “loss leader” pricing at all.
I agree on the $1000 minimum price for the Z50ii but question pushing it to $1200. Thus the question becomes what can Nikon do to make an attractive midrange all-purpose DX competitive body for $1000.
I think IBIS (I waffle on IBIS), new sensor, new EVF, dual cards, higher performance, larger body, etc will be in a potential future Z70 or above probably in the $1500 range.
PLShutterbug
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What? How can a non-removable battery be charged separately from the device where it has been installed in a non-removable way?
cyuill2007
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By “last call” does that mean last call for orders, or when Nikon shuts down production? (Assuming they haven’t already done that.) I am a little surprised that complete DSLR production is winding down so quickly. I figured that certain niche products like the D6 would be in production (or at least in stock), along with a small selection of specialized lenses, for a few more years. As an alternative I suppose that Nikon could do (or already has done) a final production run and keep a “secret stash” of bodies and lenses and parts for repair to satisfy special orders for a while. I am not sure that is how things work. Is it along those lines.
If Nikon is completely discontinuing F-mount products I sure wish they would get a true Z-mount equivalent to the D7k cameras, and even the D500. (The Z30/fc/50 models don’t count, IMO.) At least one member of this forum moved on to another brand to get better-performance APS-C gear. For various reasons I prefer the DX to the FX format. I will be sticking with my D500 and DX and FX F-mount lenses for the time being. Given that I still have and sometimes use Nikon 1 mirrorless gear, Nikon has to give me a compelling reason to move on to a third Nikon digital camera system.
If Nikon is completely discontinuing F-mount products I sure wish they would get a true Z-mount equivalent to the D7k cameras, and even the D500. (The Z30/fc/50 models don’t count, IMO.) At least one member of this forum moved on to another brand to get better-performance APS-C gear. For various reasons I prefer the DX to the FX format. I will be sticking with my D500 and DX and FX F-mount lenses for the time being. Given that I still have and sometimes use Nikon 1 mirrorless gear, Nikon has to give me a compelling reason to move on to a third Nikon digital camera system.
shuncheung
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I am old enough (bought my first SLR in 1972) to realize that technology changes in photography happen very quickly. Back around 1990, a lot of people initially dismissed those plastic AF cameras and lenses as "junk," but the world transitioned to AF very rapidly and Canon quickly took over the #1 spot within a year or two due to their superior AF.
In the few years around 2004, sub-$1000 DSLRs quickly took over as the quality from digital became "good enough." Film SLRs were mostly abandoned within a couple of years and turned into a niche product, but at least the lens mount didn't change in that occasion. Nikon introduced their very last film SLR, the F6, in late 2004.
Canon and Nikon introduced their FX mirrorless systems in late 2018, within a couple of weeks from each other. By early 2020, both brands introduced their very last DSLRs, namely the 1Dx Mark iii and D6 for the scheduled 2020 Tokyo Olympics, but Covid interrupted the Olympics as well as the camera market. By the time we recovered from Covid about 2 years later, DSLRs were mostly history.
I am not sure what the next disruption will be, perhaps video or perhaps something (AI??) I can't even imagine now, but any transition will be quick.
If you are happy with the D500, stick with it. I still have one but haven't used it for a while. I can no longer tolerate 10fps (too slow) and all the noise and vibration from mirror slap. Nikon has made it very clear that their emphasis is on higher-end FX mirrorless. I have no idea whether Nikon will introduce something DX that is considerable superior to the Z50, but IMO it is unwise to count on that. For those who prefer APS-C mirrorless, Fuji should be the brand of choice, provided that you like retro. Otherwise, Canon and Sony will likely provide more APS-C support than Nikon.
shuncheung
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I think it is all a moot point. The Z50 is 5 years old. Nikon is going to have a hard time selling new ones of such an old model. The technology is fairly out of date and there are a lot of used and refurb ones to compete against new ones.
Nikon can choose to ignore DX, but otherwise it is time to update the Z50 one way or another, USB-C ports or not.
My 2018 Z6 has a USB-C port. It is puzzling that the 2019 Z50 doesn't come with one.
cyuill2007
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My first SLR purchase was a little later than yours - 1980. I have experience with 35mm, 120, 220, 620, 110, and 126 roll film; plus 4x5 sheet film. I used film cameras with MF and AF systems. My first digital camera was a point and shoot. When I saw the first prints from that camera I knew that the days of film photography were numbered. Since then I have acquired and used Nikon F-mount (2011) and Nikon 1 mirrorless (2012) bodies and lenses.
You are absolutely correct about disruptive technologies. They occur every now and then, and people adapt to them. But there also comes a point where one has to say “STOP!”. Is a Z-mount mirrorless camera really going to get me better photographs than my current gear will get me? Is the cost to acquire it REALLY going to be worth it to ME? Not at this time - I have other spending priorities.
A funny thing about frame rates. I was at an airshow last year and took over a thousand photos. I went back to the airshow this year, convinced that I would be more disciplined about how I would shoot, and take bursts of photos only when I figured I had a genuine winner in the viewfinder. I somehow managed to take over four thousand photos. That was shooting bursts at a rate of 11 fps. So much for my disciplined approach. I shudder thinking about how many shot I would have captured at 20 or 30 fps.
You are absolutely correct about disruptive technologies. They occur every now and then, and people adapt to them. But there also comes a point where one has to say “STOP!”. Is a Z-mount mirrorless camera really going to get me better photographs than my current gear will get me? Is the cost to acquire it REALLY going to be worth it to ME? Not at this time - I have other spending priorities.
A funny thing about frame rates. I was at an airshow last year and took over a thousand photos. I went back to the airshow this year, convinced that I would be more disciplined about how I would shoot, and take bursts of photos only when I figured I had a genuine winner in the viewfinder. I somehow managed to take over four thousand photos. That was shooting bursts at a rate of 11 fps. So much for my disciplined approach. I shudder thinking about how many shot I would have captured at 20 or 30 fps.
shuncheung
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To me, there is absolutely no doubt that the new technologies in mirrorless makes a huge difference to me. I use the Z9 and Z8, and even 20 fps is not enough, such that I occasionally switch to 120 fps with the compromise of 11MP JPEG, and sometimes the compromise is worth it. There are very good reasons that Canon opts to have 40 fps RAW but with "only" a 24MP sensor. I certainly wouldn't mind having 45MP and 120 fps RAW, but the technology is not there yet, at least not in an affordable manner.
By now, AF on mirrorless is superior to whatever the D5 and D6 can provide us. The Z-mount leads to better wide-angle lenses, and there are lenses such as the 800mm/f6.3 PF, which is very much hand-holdable to me, that are not available in the F mount.
And nowadays I shoot a lot more video as mirrorless makes it a lot more convenient to shoot both still and video. A quick flip of a switch changes from one to the other. Such options were available with DSLRs.
Because airplanes only fly. The shape of the plane doesn't change, and your background probably doesn't change. Below is a sequence I recently captured of a caracara flying across the field. I was using a Z9 @ 20 fps RAW @ 600mm. Every consecutive image is quite different with various wing positions, some I would quickly discard, and the background also keeps on changing. I certainly wouldn't mind having 40 fps, 120 fps so that I have more images to choose from.
starbase218
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Sorry, I didn’t read their comment fully. What I should have quoted (from the regulations chambesi posted themselves) was this:
“If the removable battery can be recharged (via the USB-C receptacle) while it is placed in or on a radio equipment listed in Annex Ia, that radio equipment is subject to the rules introduced by the Common Charger Directive even if the battery can also be recharged separately from the radio equipment.”
So in other words, it’s NOT just for non-removable batteries.
fotosean
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With all due respect...I believe u overrate the R7 a bit. is it a good camera? Yes it is. As good as the X-S20 or the a6700? No way, not even in the same time zone
Thom Hogan
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Correct. And there was a further amendment to indicate specifically that the regulation applied to digital cameras.
ExposureMeter
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I believe the Z50II will be a camera priced similar to the existing camera. It needs to be to stay as a camera for new users. So I do not think it will be a great advancement on the existing.
A higher level DX camera is needed as follows:
MC-DC2 socket for cable release.
View finder refresh rate 120Hz or better.
Focus accuracy similar to Z8.
Sensor with 24-36MP.
Such a camera would be excellent for birding.
A higher level DX camera is needed as follows:
MC-DC2 socket for cable release.
View finder refresh rate 120Hz or better.
Focus accuracy similar to Z8.
Sensor with 24-36MP.
Such a camera would be excellent for birding.
sirhawkeye64
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Well, if they're planning to add a second card slot and IBIS, it may need a larger body. The Z5 is bigger than the Z50 obviously, but still a bit smaller than the other FF Z cameras. In fact, for those shooting wildlife with larger lenses, they may want a larger body for grip/handling purposes (the Z5 is also smaller than a D500 and probably smaller than the D7500 too).
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shuncheung
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While people speak so fondly about the D500, it is actually pretty much the same size as the Z8. Being a DSLR with a mirror inside, the D500 is thicker than the Z8. I still own both and am just looking at them side by side.
The D500 (and D850) and Z8 have the same memory card arrangement: XQD/CFx + SD and use the same EN-EL15 batteries, but the Z8 has IBIS. Given the very wide Z mount with a 55mm diameter, there is a limit on how small a Z-mount body can be, regardless of what sensor format is inside. If one wants dual SD cards and IBIS, it will add up.
I predict a similar percent size increase for the Z50ii along the lines of the Z6iii over the Z6
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