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JasonMulvern said:
Virtually no details here, but if the camera at least exists, it's a step forward.

With regards to IBIS, I learned to live without it on my Z50 thanks mostly to the great kit lenses, but since I got a camera which does have it, there's so many new opportunities to use lower shutter speeds handheld, now I don't think I can live without it.

I fear the Z50ii will disappoint us Z50 owners looking to step up, but who don't want to go full frame. Because Nikon will water it down, leave the good stuff out, and if it has taken them THIS LONG to update the DX line-up, you know it will be another five years or so for another update. So whatever the Z50ii is now, you're stuck with it for a long time while other brands innovate.

Z50 owners cannot be clearer: We want at least parity with other brands, which means significantly better subject-detect AF, IBIS, higher FPS. It's an opportunity to leap ahead of Sony, Canon and Fuji.
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I'd agree if you had said "Some Z50 owners ... "

Expeed7 will deliver better subject-detect AF. That is my number one priority, and I'd conjecture a certainty.

The other priority for me is the same size, or very nearly the same size. While I would like to have IBIS, I don't want it at the expense of compactness.

I will also add that one should not expect the Z50ii to be a Z70/Z90 :-|
JasonMulvern said:
But will we get that? Look at the Z6iii, all the hype, all the wait... they couldn't even put bleeding-edge AF in it, instead having AF that was regarded as "like the Z8/Z9 before the firmware update".

Anyway, fingers crossed, I will keep my Z DX lenses and gear on standby just in case :)
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ghostfox_1 said:
shuncheung said:
ghostfox_1 said:
shuncheung said:
Pretty much for all practical purposes, all Nikon DSLRs will be discontinued by 2025.
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I'd argue that in practical terms they already are. Nikon is likely just selling stock they've made, and will only have spare parts readily available for the d5/6/850 in the near future I'd imagine as well.
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I would add the D780, which is the last Nikon (D)SLR introduced, so far, in January 2020. I can't imagine that they are still selling any D3500, which was introduced in August 2018. There are so many used ones for all of those models that new DSLRs will have a hard time competing for the few people who still want to buy DSLRs.
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I forgot that camera existed to be honest. Which says more about it than anything else.
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Sorry, the D780 was the next to the last Nikon DSLR introduced, as the D6 was introduced 1.5 months later in February 2020, but then Covid quickly interrupted the production and sales of all camera equipment as well as many many other things in life.

The D780 and D6 are kind of like the F6, introduced in late 2004 when the transition from film to digital was already well underway. I do have one friend who has a D780, but I was never interested in DSLRs any more past January 2019. By the time Covid started to subside in 2021/2022, people were getting the Z9 and Z6ii/Z7ii.
 
TomJ73 said:
If the Z50II has IBIS, Expeed 7, and a higher res EVF, that's an instant buy for me.
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I'd add at about the same size.

Although I'd guess that a higher res EVF (e.g. the Z6iii) would be in a newer model - Z70 ??
 
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mgm2 said:
If it can't compete with the specs of the A6700 what's the point in bringing it to market?
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So that Nikon has something to market? Without USB-C the Z50 is going away in 2025. Most believe that Nikon needs something to sell besides the Z30/Zfc
 
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msu79gt82 said:
simplejim said:
I'm not trying to get my hopes up, but if they had just mentioned ibis, I would have been overjoyed. Yes I want better af but ibis was first on my list. My z50 is very good, but other brands have been tempting to go with. I've been a nikon lover for years now, but a person can't wait forever.
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I'm the opposite. In my opinion there can't even be a Z50ii without Expeed7 and the improved AF it brings, that is the very minimum (along with USB-C charging).

I do want IBIS, but not at the expense of body size. I see the Z50ii as an extremely compact travel kit (with the 16-50 + 50-250 kit lenses) and a very competent one at that (with Expeed7 AF improvements), as well as a pseudo TC-1.5x with my Z telephoto lenses.

Note that both the DX 16-50 and 50-250 have VR and all of the Z telephoto (and F-Mounts I'd be interested in) lenses have VR as well. Thus, while IBIS would be nice (at the right size), it's not mandatory in my opinion.
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I would tend to agree with you, which is why I stated in an earlier post that a Z50 II with just the Expeed 7 and improved AF would probably be enough for me to upgrade. However...

With the X-S20 and the a6700 both sporting IBIS, I think Nikon kinda has to have it in a Z50 II. I don't envision the Z50 II as a competitor vs. the R10 (which, admittedly, I only had about 20 minutes to play around with, but I thought it was a lousy camera altogether) -- it should be competing against the a6700 and X-S20. Nikon remains competitive in the entry-level market, because I consider the R100 (and to a lesser extent, the R10) the "Walmart/Best Buy" market. Yeah, it is gonna be more than the original Z50 when it was released 5 years ago -- think it was $860-$880 or something -- but Nikon the last few years has been the "more bang for the buck" out of the big 5 (Z9/Z8/ZF) so I would expect them to do the same with the Z50 II. Anywhere in the $1200 range 'cause, y'know...inflation and all that) still leaves a big gap in the lineup for a pro DX Z70 body in the $1800-$2200 range. Which I believe they will fill.

The form factor doesn't need to change that much. I thought there was no way that Fuji would be able to cram IBIS in the X100VI, without significantly changing the form factor. Yet...they did. If Fuji can do it, so can Nikon. Even if it was the older sensor, with its slow readout. I'd much rather have IBIS with the old sensor (and I'm not sure why there were folks that thought the old sensor couldn't be ported over to a Z50 II with IBIS, that didn't make a lot of sense to me, but Thom clarified that) than a newer 24mp sensor w/o IBIS. Just my opinion.

In any case...glad to see that Nikon isn't abandoning the DX market, in spite of many folks here thinking that they would. I was always convinced that they wouldn't. And with this speculation of a Z50 II, I would (almost) bet the house that the Z version of the D500 is right around the corner. No one in 2016 ever saw the D500 coming, either.
 
fotosean said:
msu79gt82 said:
simplejim said:
I'm not trying to get my hopes up, but if they had just mentioned ibis, I would have been overjoyed. Yes I want better af but ibis was first on my list. My z50 is very good, but other brands have been tempting to go with. I've been a nikon lover for years now, but a person can't wait forever.
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I'm the opposite. In my opinion there can't even be a Z50ii without Expeed7 and the improved AF it brings, that is the very minimum (along with USB-C charging).

I do want IBIS, but not at the expense of body size. I see the Z50ii as an extremely compact travel kit (with the 16-50 + 50-250 kit lenses) and a very competent one at that (with Expeed7 AF improvements), as well as a pseudo TC-1.5x with my Z telephoto lenses.

Note that both the DX 16-50 and 50-250 have VR and all of the Z telephoto (and F-Mounts I'd be interested in) lenses have VR as well. Thus, while IBIS would be nice (at the right size), it's not mandatory in my opinion.
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I would tend to agree with you, which is why I stated in an earlier post that a Z50 II with just the Expeed 7 and improved AF would probably be enough for me to upgrade. However...

With the X-S20 and the a6700 both sporting IBIS, I think Nikon kinda has to have it in a Z50 II. I don't envision the Z50 II as a competitor vs. the R10 (which, admittedly, I only had about 20 minutes to play around with, but I thought it was a lousy camera altogether) -- it should be competing against the a6700 and X-S20. Nikon remains competitive in the entry-level market, because I consider the R100 (and to a lesser extent, the R10) the "Walmart/Best Buy" market. Yeah, it is gonna be more than the original Z50 when it was released 5 years ago -- think it was $860-$880 or something -- but Nikon the last few years has been the "more bang for the buck" out of the big 5 (Z9/Z8/ZF) so I would expect them to do the same with the Z50 II. Anywhere in the $1200 range 'cause, y'know...inflation and all that) still leaves a big gap in the lineup for a pro DX Z70 body in the $1800-$2200 range. Which I believe they will fill.

The form factor doesn't need to change that much. I thought there was no way that Fuji would be able to cram IBIS in the X100VI, without significantly changing the form factor. Yet...they did. If Fuji can do it, so can Nikon. Even if it was the older sensor, with its slow readout. I'd much rather have IBIS with the old sensor (and I'm not sure why there were folks that thought the old sensor couldn't be ported over to a Z50 II with IBIS, that didn't make a lot of sense to me, but Thom clarified that) than a newer 24mp sensor w/o IBIS. Just my opinion.

In any case...glad to see that Nikon isn't abandoning the DX market, in spite of many folks here thinking that they would. I was always convinced that they wouldn't. And with this speculation of a Z50 II, I would (almost) bet the house that the Z version of the D500 is right around the corner. No one in 2016 ever saw the D500 coming, either.
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Oh, I agree. Count me in as wanting IBIS. I agree that they should be able to add IBIS w/o changing the overall size significantly. My main point is that the priorities for the Z50ii in my opinion are:
  1. USB-C - the de facto reason for the upgrade at this time
  2. Expeed7 - addresses the AF issue, a mandatory upgrade in my opinion
  3. IBIS - a wanted, and useful upgrade but not at the expense of compactness
I could add a new sensor to the list, but I seriously doubt a Z50ii sees that. I truly waffle regarding IBIS; will we see it on a Z50ii or not until a higher level body, e.g. a Z70. I can see IBIS going either way, but anything else like new sensor or new EVF will most likely be a Z70 level or higher.
 
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fotosean said:
First rumored Nikon Z50 II camera details
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So kind of like what I was thinking to be honest.

Same sensor

Expeed 7

Maybe the Z5 body with a few tweaks to bring it up to speed with the other designs but same overall layout (and also as a means to accommodate IBIS and dual card slots and maybe better cooling, and maybe use the series EN15 batteries).

Either way, and even though I may not be in the market for one, this would be interesting.

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sirhawkeye64 said:
fotosean said:
First rumored Nikon Z50 II camera details
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So kind of like what I was thinking to be honest.

Same sensor

Expeed 7

Maybe the Z5 body with a few tweaks to bring it up to speed with the other designs but same overall layout (and also as a means to accommodate IBIS and dual card slots and maybe better cooling, and maybe use the series EN15 batteries).
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The very last thing I would want is a DX sensor in an FX body.
sirhawkeye64 said:
Either way, and even though I may not be in the market for one, this would be interesting.
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That would be completely unattractive to me and would kill the market for me and everyone else wanting smaller and lighter :-|

Perhaps a Z5/Z6iii body for a higher end Z70/Z90 maybe.
 
simplejim said:
I'm not trying to get my hopes up, but if they had just mentioned ibis, I would have been overjoyed. Yes I want better af but ibis was first on my list. My z50 is very good, but other brands have been tempting to go with. I've been a nikon lover for years now, but a person can't wait forever.
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I agree. I wonder why someone looking for APS-C mirrorless would even wait for Nikon to do anything uptil now. Plenty of very competent options from other brands out there. Nikon Z is about full frame.
 
sirhawkeye64 said:
fotosean said:
First rumored Nikon Z50 II camera details
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So kind of like what I was thinking to be honest.

Same sensor

Expeed 7

Maybe the Z5 body with a few tweaks to bring it up to speed with the other designs but same overall layout (and also as a means to accommodate IBIS and dual card slots and maybe better cooling, and maybe use the series EN15 batteries).

Either way, and even though I may not be in the market for one, this would be interesting.
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Did you mean to write Z5 in a thread about a new Z50?
 
Doesn't sound anywhere near what I wanted to see them come up with. I hoped for direct priced competition for Canon's $400 mirrorless. Guess all the folks I have convinced to wait for it will have to go Canon afterall.
 
Bob A L said:
Doesn't sound anywhere near what I wanted to see them come up with. I hoped for direct priced competition for Canon's $400 mirrorless. Guess all the folks I have convinced to wait for it will have to go Canon afterall.
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You were hoping that the next iteration of a successful $850 camera would sell for $400?
 
msu79gt82 said:
Oh, I agree. Count me in as wanting IBIS. I agree that they should be able to add IBIS w/o changing the overall size significantly. My main point is that the priorities for the Z50ii in my opinion are:
  1. USB-C - the de facto reason for the upgrade at this time
  2. Expeed7 - addresses the AF issue, a mandatory upgrade in my opinion
  3. IBIS - a wanted, and useful upgrade but not at the expense of compactness
I could add a new sensor to the list, but I seriously doubt a Z50ii sees that. I truly waffle regarding IBIS; will we see it on a Z50ii or not until a higher level body, e.g. a Z70. I can see IBIS going either way, but anything else like new sensor or new EVF will most likely be a Z70 level or higher.
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Precisely!

Improved EVF, would be great, but I wouldn't expect it, keeping the price point down. There's nothing wrong or bad with the current EVF on the Z50/Z fc. Eminently useable.

We all knew Nikon wouldn't make the same mistake with that awful flip down. Not sure what they were thinking. I still use that SmallRig offset L-bracket designed to be attached to an Arca-Swiss, on a tripod, so one could flip it down and see the screen...to this day, I don't think I've ever actually HAD the Z50 on a tripod :)

Is IBIS necessary on a Z50 II? No. With the two superb kit lenses (and I hate to even call them as such), the 18-140mm, all VR...and toss in a small cheap prime (I prefer the 40mm)...that's one heck of a kit, for every day, and especially travel. But I honestly think that they will find a way to shoehorn it in.
 
MJ_Photo38 said:
TomJ73 said:
If the Z50II has IBIS, Expeed 7, and a higher res EVF, that's an instant buy for me.
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Probably not.

Pretty much all other brands are keeping their 2.36M dot EVF in their mid range cameras.

If they end up putting a 3.69M dot EVF (I doubt they would put anything higher than that) in an APS-C camera, it would be in a higher end model, like a Z70

Expect to see a Z50 with a newer processor and a flip out screen, released at $899/$999, I think this is the market that Nikon is targeting with the Z50 line. For reference the original Z50 was released at $860.
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Economy of scale. Expeed7 and the 3.6m dot EVF needs to trickle further down the product line and it's good time to phase out that 2.3m dot EVF.

Offering the Z50II without IBIS will be a pretty big miss for Nikon, especially given its current model life cycle - an eternal half a decade.
 
Bob A L said:
Doesn't sound anywhere near what I wanted to see them come up with. I hoped for direct priced competition for Canon's $400 mirrorless. Guess all the folks I have convinced to wait for it will have to go Canon afterall.
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To quote a certain Mr. McEnroe..."you cannot be serious!" That R100 is the biggest hunk of junk that Canon has ever produced. EVER. You really expected Nikon to want to compete with something like THAT?! C'mon...

With all due respect...those that you believe should be 'holding off' and waiting for Nikon to come out with a better version of the R100 (or even the R10) - just save the money and go buy an iPhone or a Pixel.

Both the R100 and the R10 are made for the Walmart market...not the entry level market. Happy to let Nikon (and Sony, and Fuji, and Lumix) concede the Walmart market to Canon.

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TomJ73 said:
MJ_Photo38 said:
TomJ73 said:
If the Z50II has IBIS, Expeed 7, and a higher res EVF, that's an instant buy for me.
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Probably not.

Pretty much all other brands are keeping their 2.36M dot EVF in their mid range cameras.

If they end up putting a 3.69M dot EVF (I doubt they would put anything higher than that) in an APS-C camera, it would be in a higher end model, like a Z70

Expect to see a Z50 with a newer processor and a flip out screen, released at $899/$999, I think this is the market that Nikon is targeting with the Z50 line. For reference the original Z50 was released at $860.
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Economy of scale. Expeed7 and the 3.6m dot EVF needs to trickle further down the product line and it's good time to phase out that 2.3m dot EVF.

Offering the Z50II without IBIS will be a pretty big miss for Nikon, especially given its current model life cycle - an eternal half a decade.
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Crop with IBIS is a premium product. See X-T50, R7, a6700. This, if they're keeping the Z50ii moniker and from rumoured specs, isn't going to be a premium product. See ZV-E10(ii), R10, X-T30ii. So we really should be tempering our expectations on what kind of stuff gets trickled down to a non-premium product.
 
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TomJ73 said:
Economy of scale. Expeed7 and the 3.6m dot EVF needs to trickle further down the product line and it's good time to phase out that 2.3m dot EVF.

Offering the Z50II without IBIS will be a pretty big miss for Nikon, especially given its current model life cycle - an eternal half a decade.
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Agreed. I don't think Nikon is gonna miss the last ferry to the mainland here.
  • The same sensor, to keep the cost down/clearing out their supply.
  • Expeed 7 (a given)
  • USB-C (another given)
  • Flippy screen (another given)
  • Better AF and video specs with Ex7, on par with the Z f.
  • EVF...maybe, but it is a minor upgrade (again, to keep costs down)
  • Dual card slots, a la the Z f? Nope, no reason to...entry level/enthusiast body
  • IBIS - yes, because they have to; otherwise the majority of Z50 owners will not upgrade, whether they really need IBIS or not (I am in the minority here, I don't think IBIS is the end all, do all). Maybe not 8 stop? 5 stop?
That at around $1000 -$1200 will sell like hotcakes. $860 was 5 years ago...c'mon, let's get realistic here. The Z50 II might be a loss leader, just to recapture market share, but there are limits. And I don't think the Z50 II necessarily needs to be a loss leader...as I stated in an earlier post, Nikon has consistently delivered more bang for the buck in the last 2-3 years, and it would not surprise me one bit if they priced it very competitively vs. the X-S20 and the A6700.
 
It does not look promising. After 5 year the update is a new screen, new processor and new usb port? Still that ancient sensor? Hope i am wrong and Nikon still surprises us.
 
MJ_Photo38 said:
starbase218 said:
I’m wondering if this development has anything to do with the EU common charger policies that - if I’m not mistaken - mandate a USB-C port for charging by the end of this year.
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Probably. Great opportunity to update the camera though.

I wonder what will happen to DSLR cameras though. The D850 is still being sold brand new, but has the old USB type-B micro 3.0 port. Same goes for the D5600 and D7500 that are also still being sold brand new off the Nikon store.

I don't see Nikon releasing a refreshed USB-C version. Or they're goinna include an adapter in the box? I have no idea.
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Very simple Solution : Nikon will sell the D850 with the PD compatible MH-34 charger and with ENEL15c battery in the box, or as separate items.

The D7500 also uses the currently available PD compatible ENEL15c

The ENEL25 for Z30, Z50 and Zf is also charged using PD in camera or via the Nikon AC power supply
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The D780 and D6 already have USB-C ports.
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In any case, the EU regulations apply only to electronic devices with NON-Removable batteries....

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Bob A L said:
Doesn't sound anywhere near what I wanted to see them come up with. I hoped for direct priced competition for Canon's $400 mirrorless. Guess all the folks I have convinced to wait for it will have to go Canon afterall.
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SMH. You actually convinced people to hold on and wait for a $400 crap camera. Good to know.
 
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