DPP Plug-in for Lightroom?

RLight said:

rapishorrid said:

Found some more info:

This video shows a picture from the R1/R5II launch event in Munich:



This video (from another reviewer who as at the Munich event) claims Canon will be releasing a DPP for Lightroom plugin that includes NnIP upscaling and noise reduction, AND an "improved debayering algorithm".

So an NnIP plugin is definitely coming to Lightroom. But the big question is will that include Canon debayering/demosaicing, or will it just be Canon noise reduction, lens optimizer and/or upscaling applied to a RAW, but still debayered by Adobe.

NnIP is a bit nebulous, but this white paper suggests it inherently includes demosaicing:



The white paper is also an interesting read for anyone interested in why Canon's AI has the potential to be better than Lightroom's in the first place.

However, it could be a challenge to cut Adobe out of the RAW interpretation entirely, and I could see this plugin being released as just 2 of the 3 pillars.

To get "Canon colors" and the excellent highlight/shadow tonality that DPP or SOOC provides, we'd need the Lightroom plugin to include Canon debayering.

Also the latest release of DPP and DPP express both sport the new purple icons from the Munich presentation. However, nothing else changed in either except for the addition of R5II support.

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WOW! Canon "caved".

I think the simple answer is, they couldn't affordably re-write DPP4 for Apple Silicon, so they "ported" DPP4 to LR. You're correct David Hull. If I understand this correctly, you can have "Canon colors" in LR, again. It's been what? 8 years now since CR3 came out? Took long enough.

Also, viewing the samples on Flickr to date, they're very DPP4-like / SOOC. Canon, bit the bullet and lent a hand to Adobe, and it shows. Very color accurate.

Wish I could give Adobe the credit for all that money they absorb in subscriptions, but no, it was Canon that did it. Figures.

Good for Canon, and shame on Adobe for taking 8 years, excuse me never, when they could've done it themselves with how much they charged.

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RLight said:

Now to your point about Debayering still being Adobes, st. re, but that's only a small part of the pie, as Adobe has learned and any Canon shooter using Adobe.

Also, if I read my tea leaves correctly, Canon, won't be back porting anything. This is just for existing bodies produced going forward. Keep using DPP4 for legacy bodies if you like your "Canon colors" and DPP4 is probably still more color accurate. But, this also gets into how skilled you are with DPP4. I've gotten skilled over the years, but it took years, just like it did for me to learn Lightroom. Post process software, just like Camera bodies, take time to "learn". I'll argue you'll get "better" rendering out of DPP plugin for LR, if you're more familiar with LR. And likewise, if you're skilled with DPP4? You can get the most bang for buck. My compliant? DPP4 is slower than a dog, even with my supercomputer.

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Lisa Horton said:

RLight said:

rapishorrid said:

Found some more info:

This video shows a picture from the R1/R5II launch event in Munich:



This video (from another reviewer who as at the Munich event) claims Canon will be releasing a DPP for Lightroom plugin that includes NnIP upscaling and noise reduction, AND an "improved debayering algorithm".

So an NnIP plugin is definitely coming to Lightroom. But the big question is will that include Canon debayering/demosaicing, or will it just be Canon noise reduction, lens optimizer and/or upscaling applied to a RAW, but still debayered by Adobe.

NnIP is a bit nebulous, but this white paper suggests it inherently includes demosaicing:



The white paper is also an interesting read for anyone interested in why Canon's AI has the potential to be better than Lightroom's in the first place.

However, it could be a challenge to cut Adobe out of the RAW interpretation entirely, and I could see this plugin being released as just 2 of the 3 pillars.

To get "Canon colors" and the excellent highlight/shadow tonality that DPP or SOOC provides, we'd need the Lightroom plugin to include Canon debayering.

Also the latest release of DPP and DPP express both sport the new purple icons from the Munich presentation. However, nothing else changed in either except for the addition of R5II support.

Click to expand...

WOW! Canon "caved".

I think the simple answer is, they couldn't affordably re-write DPP4 for Apple Silicon, so they "ported" DPP4 to LR. You're correct David Hull. If I understand this correctly, you can have "Canon colors" in LR, again. It's been what? 8 years now since CR3 came out? Took long enough.

Also, viewing the samples on Flickr to date, they're very DPP4-like / SOOC. Canon, bit the bullet and lent a hand to Adobe, and it shows. Very color accurate.

Wish I could give Adobe the credit for all that money they absorb in subscriptions, but no, it was Canon that did it. Figures.

Good for Canon, and shame on Adobe for taking 8 years, excuse me never, when they could've done it themselves with how much they charged.

Now to your point about Debayering still being Adobes, sure, but that's only a small part of the pie, as Adobe has learned and any Canon shooter using Adobe.

Also, if I read my tea leaves correctly, Canon, won't be back porting anything. This is just for existing bodies produced going forward. Keep using DPP4 for legacy bodies if you like your "Canon colors" and DPP4 is probably still more color accurate. But, this also gets into how skilled you are with DPP4. I've gotten skilled over the years, but it took years, just like it did for me to learn Lightroom. Post process software, just like Camera bodies, take time to "learn". I'll argue you'll get "better" rendering out of DPP plugin for LR, if you're more familiar with LR. And likewise, if you're skilled with DPP4? You can get the most bang for buck. My compliant? DPP4 is slower than a dog, even with my supercomputer.

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I just replaced my computer. The new computer is not only 7 years newer with twice the RAM, it's got a higher model of processor. And part of DPP4 is slower! Most of it is faster but there's one point where it bogs and I get the windows "busy" circle. Resource monitor shows a CPU spike but again, this is a higher model and years newer CPU.

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Zeee said:

RLight said:

rapishorrid said:

Found some more info:

This video shows a picture from the R1/R5II launch event in Munich:



This video (from another reviewer who as at the Munich event) claims Canon will be releasing a DPP for Lightroom plugin that includes NnIP upscaling and noise reduction, AND an "improved debayering algorithm".

So an NnIP plugin is definitely coming to Lightroom. But the big question is will that include Canon debayering/demosaicing, or will it just be Canon noise reduction, lens optimizer and/or upscaling applied to a RAW, but still debayered by Adobe.

NnIP is a bit nebulous, but this white paper suggests it inherently includes demosaicing:



The white paper is also an interesting read for anyone interested in why Canon's AI has the potential to be better than Lightroom's in the first place.

However, it could be a challenge to cut Adobe out of the RAW interpretation entirely, and I could see this plugin being released as just 2 of the 3 pillars.

To get "Canon colors" and the excellent highlight/shadow tonality that DPP or SOOC provides, we'd need the Lightroom plugin to include Canon debayering.

Also the latest release of DPP and DPP express both sport the new purple icons from the Munich presentation. However, nothing else changed in either except for the addition of R5II support.

Click to expand...

WOW! Canon "caved".

I think the simple answer is, they couldn't affordably re-write DPP4 for Apple Silicon, so they "ported" DPP4 to LR. You're correct David Hull. If I understand this correctly, you can have "Canon colors" in LR, again. It's been what? 8 years now since CR3 came out? Took long enough.

Also, viewing the samples on Flickr to date, they're very DPP4-like / SOOC. Canon, bit the bullet and lent a hand to Adobe, and it shows. Very color accurate.

Wish I could give Adobe the credit for all that money they absorb in subscriptions, but no, it was Canon that did it. Figures.

Good for Canon, and shame on Adobe for taking 8 years, excuse me never, when they could've done it themselves with how much they charged.

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I believe your rant has thrown your math off. First off Adobe has never offered true Canon colours, only emulations. CR3 was introduced in 2018. The R5 and 6 did not have Canon colours when first released in 2020. There were other bodies as well. In 2021 Canon released the R3. Not only did Adobe provide RAW support for the R3 but also Canon colours were available the day the camera was shipped.

Since 2021 Adobe has had Canon RAW support a coolers when shipped. No other developer has done this. In fact Canon released DPP for the R1 and R5II several days ago. Abode had it in June for the R5II and just added it for R1.

What I see is the day the R3 was shipped in 2021 the R5, R6 and others got Canon colours. That is no coincidence. Adobe and Canon are working together but before that happens the lawyers hammer it out. When corporate lawyers for big corporations go into negotiations it's not over quickly. I may be wrong I but those who could provide a little detail said Canon was not providing Adobe with the info it needed. When that finally happened it all changed.

Zeee said:

Now to your point about Debayering still being Adobes, st. re, but that's only a small part of the pie, as Adobe has learned and any Canon shooter using Adobe.

Also, if I read my tea leaves correctly, Canon, won't be back porting anything. This is just for existing bodies produced going forward. Keep using DPP4 for legacy bodies if you like your "Canon colors" and DPP4 is probably still more color accurate. But, this also gets into how skilled you are with DPP4. I've gotten skilled over the years, but it took years, just like it did for me to learn Lightroom. Post process software, just like Camera bodies, take time to "learn". I'll argue you'll get "better" rendering out of DPP plugin for LR, if you're more familiar with LR. And likewise, if you're skilled with DPP4? You can get the most bang for buck. My compliant? DPP4 is slower than a dog, even with my supercomputer.

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Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

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Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

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Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

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Higgins2002 said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

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Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Higgins2002 said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

Click to expand...

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

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RLight said:

RLight said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

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Zeee said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

Click to expand...

For the last 3 weeks I checked to see if DPP had an update and did see that. I also wondered if it was just for new camera releases or across the board for all bodies.

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Zeee said:

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

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RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

RLight said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

Click to expand...

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Higgins2002 said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

Higgins2002 said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

Click to expand...

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In the details it says:

- You need to subscribe to a paid plan to use the software. A Canon ID account is required. - Please use Digital Photo Professional 4.17.20 or later.

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RLight said:

Lisa Horton said:

RLight said:

rapishorrid said:

Found some more info:

This video shows a picture from the R1/R5II launch event in Munich:



This video (from another reviewer who as at the Munich event) claims Canon will be releasing a DPP for Lightroom plugin that includes NnIP upscaling and noise reduction, AND an "improved debayering algorithm".

So an NnIP plugin is definitely coming to Lightroom. But the big question is will that include Canon debayering/demosaicing, or will it just be Canon noise reduction, lens optimizer and/or upscaling applied to a RAW, but still debayered by Adobe.

NnIP is a bit nebulous, but this white paper suggests it inherently includes demosaicing:



The white paper is also an interesting read for anyone interested in why Canon's AI has the potential to be better than Lightroom's in the first place.

However, it could be a challenge to cut Adobe out of the RAW interpretation entirely, and I could see this plugin being released as just 2 of the 3 pillars.

To get "Canon colors" and the excellent highlight/shadow tonality that DPP or SOOC provides, we'd need the Lightroom plugin to include Canon debayering.

Also the latest release of DPP and DPP express both sport the new purple icons from the Munich presentation. However, nothing else changed in either except for the addition of R5II support.

Click to expand...

WOW! Canon "caved".

I think the simple answer is, they couldn't affordably re-write DPP4 for Apple Silicon, so they "ported" DPP4 to LR. You're correct David Hull. If I understand this correctly, you can have "Canon colors" in LR, again. It's been what? 8 years now since CR3 came out? Took long enough.

Also, viewing the samples on Flickr to date, they're very DPP4-like / SOOC. Canon, bit the bullet and lent a hand to Adobe, and it shows. Very color accurate.

Wish I could give Adobe the credit for all that money they absorb in subscriptions, but no, it was Canon that did it. Figures.

Good for Canon, and shame on Adobe for taking 8 years, excuse me never, when they could've done it themselves with how much they charged.

Now to your point about Debayering still being Adobes, sure, but that's only a small part of the pie, as Adobe has learned and any Canon shooter using Adobe.

Also, if I read my tea leaves correctly, Canon, won't be back porting anything. This is just for existing bodies produced going forward. Keep using DPP4 for legacy bodies if you like your "Canon colors" and DPP4 is probably still more color accurate. But, this also gets into how skilled you are with DPP4. I've gotten skilled over the years, but it took years, just like it did for me to learn Lightroom. Post process software, just like Camera bodies, take time to "learn". I'll argue you'll get "better" rendering out of DPP plugin for LR, if you're more familiar with LR. And likewise, if you're skilled with DPP4? You can get the most bang for buck. My compliant? DPP4 is slower than a dog, even with my supercomputer.

Click to expand...

I just replaced my computer. The new computer is not only 7 years newer with twice the RAM, it's got a higher model of processor. And part of DPP4 is slower! Most of it is faster but there's one point where it bogs and I get the windows "busy" circle. Resource monitor shows a CPU spike but again, this is a higher model and years newer CPU.

Click to expand...

Newer doesn’t always mean better.

With regards to DPP4, i9 is advised. Overclocked i9? Better still.

DPP4 doesn’t scale well on more cores. You need sheer frequency to conquer it. Once you go over 4 cores? They’re largely wasted on DPP4.

Going from say a 4 core 4.8 ghz cpu to say a 16 core 4ghz cpu is going to in fact be slower in DPP4. Most newer CPUs have more cores, that’s not useful here. You need something that can turbo, hard, real hard at high frequencies on cores 1-4 to be useful in DPP4.

My 4 core Hades Canyon NUC that’s over clocked runs similar to my 10 core i9 in DPP4. That’s because their effective frequency on cores 1-4 are similar. I had to Liquid Metal and delid my 10 core i9 so it’d TVB at 5ghz, then it ran notably better than my old undervolted 4 core Hades Canyon NUC.

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drsnoopy said:

RLight said:

Lisa Horton said:

RLight said:

rapishorrid said:

Found some more info:

This video shows a picture from the R1/R5II launch event in Munich:



This video (from another reviewer who as at the Munich event) claims Canon will be releasing a DPP for Lightroom plugin that includes NnIP upscaling and noise reduction, AND an "improved debayering algorithm".

So an NnIP plugin is definitely coming to Lightroom. But the big question is will that include Canon debayering/demosaicing, or will it just be Canon noise reduction, lens optimizer and/or upscaling applied to a RAW, but still debayered by Adobe.

NnIP is a bit nebulous, but this white paper suggests it inherently includes demosaicing:



The white paper is also an interesting read for anyone interested in why Canon's AI has the potential to be better than Lightroom's in the first place.

However, it could be a challenge to cut Adobe out of the RAW interpretation entirely, and I could see this plugin being released as just 2 of the 3 pillars.

To get "Canon colors" and the excellent highlight/shadow tonality that DPP or SOOC provides, we'd need the Lightroom plugin to include Canon debayering.

Also the latest release of DPP and DPP express both sport the new purple icons from the Munich presentation. However, nothing else changed in either except for the addition of R5II support.

Click to expand...

WOW! Canon "caved".

I think the simple answer is, they couldn't affordably re-write DPP4 for Apple Silicon, so they "ported" DPP4 to LR. You're correct David Hull. If I understand this correctly, you can have "Canon colors" in LR, again. It's been what? 8 years now since CR3 came out? Took long enough.

Also, viewing the samples on Flickr to date, they're very DPP4-like / SOOC. Canon, bit the bullet and lent a hand to Adobe, and it shows. Very color accurate.

Wish I could give Adobe the credit for all that money they absorb in subscriptions, but no, it was Canon that did it. Figures.

Good for Canon, and shame on Adobe for taking 8 years, excuse me never, when they could've done it themselves with how much they charged.

Now to your point about Debayering still being Adobes, sure, but that's only a small part of the pie, as Adobe has learned and any Canon shooter using Adobe.

Also, if I read my tea leaves correctly, Canon, won't be back porting anything. This is just for existing bodies produced going forward. Keep using DPP4 for legacy bodies if you like your "Canon colors" and DPP4 is probably still more color accurate. But, this also gets into how skilled you are with DPP4. I've gotten skilled over the years, but it took years, just like it did for me to learn Lightroom. Post process software, just like Camera bodies, take time to "learn". I'll argue you'll get "better" rendering out of DPP plugin for LR, if you're more familiar with LR. And likewise, if you're skilled with DPP4? You can get the most bang for buck. My compliant? DPP4 is slower than a dog, even with my supercomputer.

Click to expand...

I just replaced my computer. The new computer is not only 7 years newer with twice the RAM, it's got a higher model of processor. And part of DPP4 is slower! Most of it is faster but there's one point where it bogs and I get the windows "busy" circle. Resource monitor shows a CPU spike but again, this is a higher model and years newer CPU.

Click to expand...

Newer doesn’t always mean better.

With regards to DPP4, i9 is advised. Overclocked i9? Better still.

DPP4 doesn’t scale well on more cores. You need sheer frequency to conquer it. Once you go over 4 cores? They’re largely wasted on DPP4.

Going from say a 4 core 4.8 ghz cpu to say a 16 core 4ghz cpu is going to in fact be slower in DPP4. Most newer CPUs have more cores, that’s not useful here. You need something that can turbo, hard, real hard at high frequencies on cores 1-4 to be useful in DPP4.

My 4 core Hades Canyon NUC that’s over clocked runs similar to my 10 core i9 in DPP4. That’s because their effective frequency on cores 1-4 are similar. I had to Liquid Metal and delid my 10 core i9 so it’d TVB at 5ghz, then it ran notably better than my old undervolted 4 core Hades Canyon NUC.

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I suspect that rather than do what you’ve just described, most users would rather just bypass DPP…

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Higgins2002 said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

Higgins2002 said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

In the details it says:

- You need to subscribe to a paid plan to use the software. A Canon ID account is required. - Please use Digital Photo Professional 4.17.20 or later.

Click to expand...

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

RLight said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

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In the details it says:

- You need to subscribe to a paid plan to use the software. A Canon ID account is required. - Please use Digital Photo Professional 4.17.20 or later.

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Looks like the Canon USA version isn't valid... 404 on download site.

Tried it from Canon AU, came out 05/31/24, wants a subscription to your point.

Maybe the version that came out 08/20/24 on CUSA is "free"? Dunno. To your point, nope, not using.

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Zeee said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

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Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

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If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

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Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

Zeee said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

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In the details it says:

- You need to subscribe to a paid plan to use the software. A Canon ID account is required. - Please use Digital Photo Professional 4.17.20 or later.

Click to expand...

Looks like the Canon USA version isn't valid... 404 on download site.

Tried it from Canon AU, came out 05/31/24, wants a subscription to your point.

Maybe the version that came out 08/20/24 on CUSA is "free"? Dunno. To your point, nope, not using.

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I was just on Canon USA. If you click on Support on the far right type in EOS R5 in the search field. This will come up. Click on the R5II link.



Then you get this.



I typed in the full EOS R5II in the search field and hit enter and got that error as well.

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Zeee said:

Zeee said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

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Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

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If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

Zeee said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

In the details it says:

- You need to subscribe to a paid plan to use the software. A Canon ID account is required. - Please use Digital Photo Professional 4.17.20 or later.

Click to expand...

Looks like the Canon USA version isn't valid... 404 on download site.

Tried it from Canon AU, came out 05/31/24, wants a subscription to your point.

Maybe the version that came out 08/20/24 on CUSA is "free"? Dunno. To your point, nope, not using.

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I was just on Canon USA. If you click on Support on the far right type in EOS R5 in the search field. This will come up. Click on the R5II link.



Then you get this.



I typed in the full EOS R5II in the search field and hit enter and got that error as well.

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By the way you will need a serial number. I don't have an R5II so I used my R6II serial number to get the latest version. 14.19.10.

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drsnoopy said:

RLight said:

Lisa Horton said:

RLight said:

rapishorrid said:

Found some more info:

This video shows a picture from the R1/R5II launch event in Munich:



This video (from another reviewer who as at the Munich event) claims Canon will be releasing a DPP for Lightroom plugin that includes NnIP upscaling and noise reduction, AND an "improved debayering algorithm".

So an NnIP plugin is definitely coming to Lightroom. But the big question is will that include Canon debayering/demosaicing, or will it just be Canon noise reduction, lens optimizer and/or upscaling applied to a RAW, but still debayered by Adobe.

NnIP is a bit nebulous, but this white paper suggests it inherently includes demosaicing:



The white paper is also an interesting read for anyone interested in why Canon's AI has the potential to be better than Lightroom's in the first place.

However, it could be a challenge to cut Adobe out of the RAW interpretation entirely, and I could see this plugin being released as just 2 of the 3 pillars.

To get "Canon colors" and the excellent highlight/shadow tonality that DPP or SOOC provides, we'd need the Lightroom plugin to include Canon debayering.

Also the latest release of DPP and DPP express both sport the new purple icons from the Munich presentation. However, nothing else changed in either except for the addition of R5II support.

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WOW! Canon "caved".

I think the simple answer is, they couldn't affordably re-write DPP4 for Apple Silicon, so they "ported" DPP4 to LR. You're correct David Hull. If I understand this correctly, you can have "Canon colors" in LR, again. It's been what? 8 years now since CR3 came out? Took long enough.

Also, viewing the samples on Flickr to date, they're very DPP4-like / SOOC. Canon, bit the bullet and lent a hand to Adobe, and it shows. Very color accurate.

Wish I could give Adobe the credit for all that money they absorb in subscriptions, but no, it was Canon that did it. Figures.

Good for Canon, and shame on Adobe for taking 8 years, excuse me never, when they could've done it themselves with how much they charged.

Now to your point about Debayering still being Adobes, sure, but that's only a small part of the pie, as Adobe has learned and any Canon shooter using Adobe.

Also, if I read my tea leaves correctly, Canon, won't be back porting anything. This is just for existing bodies produced going forward. Keep using DPP4 for legacy bodies if you like your "Canon colors" and DPP4 is probably still more color accurate. But, this also gets into how skilled you are with DPP4. I've gotten skilled over the years, but it took years, just like it did for me to learn Lightroom. Post process software, just like Camera bodies, take time to "learn". I'll argue you'll get "better" rendering out of DPP plugin for LR, if you're more familiar with LR. And likewise, if you're skilled with DPP4? You can get the most bang for buck. My compliant? DPP4 is slower than a dog, even with my supercomputer.

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I just replaced my computer. The new computer is not only 7 years newer with twice the RAM, it's got a higher model of processor. And part of DPP4 is slower! Most of it is faster but there's one point where it bogs and I get the windows "busy" circle. Resource monitor shows a CPU spike but again, this is a higher model and years newer CPU.

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Newer doesn’t always mean better.

With regards to DPP4, i9 is advised. Overclocked i9? Better still.

DPP4 doesn’t scale well on more cores. You need sheer frequency to conquer it. Once you go over 4 cores? They’re largely wasted on DPP4.

Going from say a 4 core 4.8 ghz cpu to say a 16 core 4ghz cpu is going to in fact be slower in DPP4. Most newer CPUs have more cores, that’s not useful here. You need something that can turbo, hard, real hard at high frequencies on cores 1-4 to be useful in DPP4.

My 4 core Hades Canyon NUC that’s over clocked runs similar to my 10 core i9 in DPP4. That’s because their effective frequency on cores 1-4 are similar. I had to Liquid Metal and delid my 10 core i9 so it’d TVB at 5ghz, then it ran notably better than my old undervolted 4 core Hades Canyon NUC.

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I suspect that rather than do what you’ve just described, most users would rather just bypass DPP…

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Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

Zeee said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

RLight said:

Higgins2002 said:

Zeee said:

David Hull said:

While watching one of the R5II reviews a Canon originated DPP plug-in for LR Classic was mentioned. Has Canon announced such a thing? I would think this would add a lot of value if it were real.

Click to expand...

Someone posted a link to a French person reviewing the R5II who said something to that effect. Those who can’t speak French can’t use the review but now you are the second person to mention this. I’ll see if I can find it.

This is not surprising as Canon’s cloud denoise thingy never took off. Except for DLO it has been a long time where Canon added anything significant. They may be getting out is the software business. Of course this is just speculation.

You can send a DPP file to PS but that is about it.

Click to expand...

If the denoise thingy never took off, why not make it free in DPP to begin with.

Click to expand...

Actually they just did...

https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/eos-r3

Neural network Upscaling Tool 1.0.0 for macOS

This used to be a paid-for offering, and Windows only affair too, I might add.

Downloaded it earlier this week, so I know it's been out longer than the declared 8.20.24 release date, haven't played with it yet. Apple Silicon btw. DPP4 still isn't (checked).

Canon's porting stuff going forward, but not back porting. This makes sense as there's no money in back porting stuff for bodies no longer in production.

Higgins2002 said:

i think this plugin just allow you to get access to canons denoise thingy that you pay for

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

In the details it says:

- You need to subscribe to a paid plan to use the software. A Canon ID account is required. - Please use Digital Photo Professional 4.17.20 or later.

Click to expand...

Looks like the Canon USA version isn't valid... 404 on download site.

Tried it from Canon AU, came out 05/31/24, wants a subscription to your point.

Maybe the version that came out 08/20/24 on CUSA is "free"? Dunno. To your point, nope, not using.

Click to expand...

I was just on Canon USA. If you click on Support on the far right type in EOS R5 in the search field. This will come up. Click on the R5II link.



Then you get this.



I typed in the full EOS R5II in the search field and hit enter and got that error as well.

Click to expand...

By the way you will need a serial number. I don't have an R5II so I used my R6II serial number to get the latest version. 14.19.10.

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There are pictures "online"of the bottom of the R5II just use that serialnumber..

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