OG G9 "first impressions" — I got it, so now I get it

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Long time Panasonic user — GX85 in 2018 (+FZ300) -> G95 in 2021. In 2024 I added both a G100 and, a couple months ago, a G9.

tl;dr — wow. Very, very impressed.

I see why Panasonic waited so long to launch a replacement and why OMDS and Panasonic have a hard time getting folks to upgrade from earlier flagships. These flagship cameras (e.g., G9, EM1ii and EM1iii) even back from 2016/2017 are really, really good.

As a first time user of subject detect AF, I recognize already that it's hardly perfect but it's really nice to have, especially with animals/wildlife. I'm hardly a hardcore wildlife shooter and not a BIF shooter, but can definitely attest to having gotten a lot of shots in just a few weeks of occasional shooting that would have been much more difficult (if not impossible) with my G95, especially behind stray twigs and plant cover. It also works really well for many video shooting scenarios as well (although it can "backfire" if it hallucinates and identifies things that aren't animals or people). Again, nothing you couldn't pick up from reviews, but it's one thing to read it, and another thing to use it yourself.

I still prefer the dials/controls arrangement and power switch on my G95. But the battery life, uncropped 4k60, AF, and general handling of the G9 is impossible to argue with for the price I paid for an excellent copy on the used market (USD $480) — and there are probably better deals out there. After many, many years of waiting for it to drop to a "can't refuse" price point, I'm extremely happy to have it as my "new" A-cam.
 
A great price for a fine camera! Enjoy.

Joe L
 
Good to hear you're enjoying it!

It really is a very well rounded camera imo.

If you're into video at all, consider the sigma f/1.4's, they dont 'pulse/flutter'.
 
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A great price for a fine camera! Enjoy.

Joe L
Thank you! I can't believe how relatively affordable so much quality camera gear appears on the secondary markets these days.
 
Good to hear you're enjoying it!
Thank you. It's pretty well managed to exceed my fairly high expectations built up over many years of looking on from afar - only exception being the front dial which I'm not best friends with in terms of design (although I must stress it appears to be working as deigned to work, it's not defective). But perhaps it will grow on me.
It really is a very well rounded camera imo.
Yep. Seems timeless if you ask me - perhaps the Panasonic equivalent of a Nikon D850 or Canon 5DIV?
If you're into video at all, consider the sigma f/1.4's, they dont 'pulse/flutter'.
Interesting. First I've heard and can't imagine why that would be the case. That said, I do have the 30mm f1.4 so I'll give it a try and see if I notice a difference from either Pana, Leica, or Oly lenses I have on the shelf.
 
Good to hear you're enjoying it!
Thank you. It's pretty well managed to exceed my fairly high expectations built up over many years of looking on from afar - only exception being the front dial which I'm not best friends with in terms of design (although I must stress it appears to be working as deigned to work, it's not defective). But perhaps it will grow on me.
I'd prefer it under the shutter button, but mine feels as fresh as day one tbh, so its at very least quite solid :D
It really is a very well rounded camera imo.
Yep. Seems timeless if you ask me - perhaps the Panasonic equivalent of a Nikon D850 or Canon 5DIV?
Agreed 100% (with the G9's power switch I'd say a Nikon)
If you're into video at all, consider the sigma f/1.4's, they dont 'pulse/flutter'.
Interesting. First I've heard and can't imagine why that would be the case. That said, I do have the 30mm f1.4 so I'll give it a try and see if I notice a difference from either Pana, Leica, or Oly lenses I have on the shelf.
Thats good to hear!

A gent John Harvey on youtube has a series of tests using himself and his wife as subjects, across all the G9's fireware versions, the results are night and day!

I'm not 100% on the reason, either the motors (I think the sigmas use stepping motors) or lack of DFD, or both, I'd be curious to hear how the Oly lenses do!
 
You got all the cameras that I was using or considered!

I had been using G100 since 2022 until I bought a G9 in Nov,2023. I have been doubting how much I can take good usage of G9 since I bought it.

G9 is too heavy and complicated to use for me. I liked G100 for its light weight and SCN mode. I took G100 with me every weekend, and I was crazy about using it to take photos and shooting videos. All I need to do is finding the interesting angle and shoot, so that I can enjoy the journey, instead of adjusting the parameters and struggling with taking a good photo. However, I hardly take G9 out with my journey now, or I take it with me but I don't take photos as happy and easy as I was.

I have been considering to sell G9 and get a smaller one. My lenses are DG12-60mm F2.8-3.5 and 45-150mm. I also consider selling them and buy a 14-140mm Ⅱ.

Here are my options:

1. G100---I used to it. Enough for me.

2. G95---100g lighter than G9. Has live comp and full view and SCN mode. Sounds interesting. I.S.

3. GX85---Good looking. I.S. But only 16MP. I'm not sure how much the gap is between 16MP and 20MP.

I really want to hear from you. That's very appreciated.
 
3. GX85---Good looking. I.S. But only 16MP. I'm not sure how much the gap is between 16MP and 20MP.
This imo.

Or GX9 if you need the 20mp sensor.


and check the sample galleries too so you can decide 16mp vs 20mp yourself!

The GX85/GX9 are smaller in 2 dimensions than the G100 thanks to its EVF hump.

The GX85/GX9 both have much worse EVF's than the G100.

I didnt have an issue with the EVF (GX85/9) and found it perfectly useable, but I naturally use the rear screen on cameras this style 95% of the time anyway, so the EVF tends to be low priority.

Add the 14mm f/2.5 for a tiny street shooting beast imo.
 
I got the Panasonic G9 new in February of 2023 for a great price of $1500 AUD with the 12-60mm kit lens. Very soon after that the price jumped another couple hundred dollars, and it has only risen since for whatever remaining stock exists since the subsequent release of the mk II version. The old G9 from 2017 is still sitting at $1799 brand new on the only large retailer in Australia that seemingly have 'new' stock as of writing, just to give an idea of its staying power.

My previous cameras include:

-2012: Panasonic GX1

-2016: FZ300

As mentioned already, there is an element of 'timeless classic' to the G9 and IMO that's because every feature they put in it was matured and ready for the market which combine to offer, in more cases than a not, a 'glove' like and intuitive shooting experience, made possible by what I am sure must have been truly significant amounts of engineering and foresight. For example, the synergy between the thumb autofocus joystick, the dial wheels, function buttons, touch screen, the mode switches, EVF/BPD and it's integration is of such remarkable quality that it makes mastering the device that much easier. It's coupled with a good on-board processor that makes everything more than snappy enough and I think interface wise you would be hard pressed finding a difference between a contemporary release. For example, the interface alone is an absolute dream compared to using my LG remote on a $2600 OLED which has some of the most woeful controller/software integration I have ever seen largely owing to poor hardware/software integration (and horrendous button quality). You don't have to worry about that on the G9 despite it's age. That little joystick, and particularly the rotatable click wheel are such nice touches.

I noticed a significant step-up in IQ from the aforementioned cameras and I am still really just scratching the surface with what it can do. I am having a lot of fun lately with the 100-300 II lens, which I must say, in combination with the G9, looks and feels too good in the hand to take off.
 
You got all the cameras that I was using or considered!

I had been using G100 since 2022 until I bought a G9 in Nov,2023. I have been doubting how much I can take good usage of G9 since I bought it.

G9 is too heavy and complicated to use for me. I liked G100 for its light weight and SCN mode. I took G100 with me every weekend, and I was crazy about using it to take photos and shooting videos. All I need to do is finding the interesting angle and shoot, so that I can enjoy the journey, instead of adjusting the parameters and struggling with taking a good photo. However, I hardly take G9 out with my journey now, or I take it with me but I don't take photos as happy and easy as I was.

I have been considering to sell G9 and get a smaller one. My lenses are DG12-60mm F2.8-3.5 and 45-150mm. I also consider selling them and buy a 14-140mm Ⅱ.

Here are my options:

1. G100---I used to it. Enough for me.

2. G95---100g lighter than G9. Has live comp and full view and SCN mode. Sounds interesting. I.S.

3. GX85---Good looking. I.S. But only 16MP. I'm not sure how much the gap is between 16MP and 20MP.

I really want to hear from you. That's very appreciated.
If you do decide to keep the G9, and if you ever did intend to maybe explore a bit more of what it can do, then I'll just summarise quickly how you can go about doing that.

Firstly the advantage to shooting raw over jpeg, which I'll assume you don't know for the sake of this post, is that you don't have to get your exposure perfectly right in camera, which frankly can be hard even with the best EVFs and back-displays in the world in the wrong conditions. With raw, you simply retain more of the variability in a photo you took in regards to exposure settings; it's like being able to go back in time and change the exposure before taking the shot in a way. You will find you are left with far less ability to pull detail out of shadows or change overall exposure too much with a JPG.

So if that does interest you. Just stick to aperture priority mode or shutter speed. If your subject has a lot of movement or is moving very fast, you want to take a very quick exposure. Use S mode which stands for (Shutter Priority). 1/250 is a good starting point for fast moving subjects. Once in this mode, simply adjust the top dial to adjust the exposure to get the image looking as right as you can in the EVF/BD, which in turn will adjust the aperture (amount of light the lens lets in) to compensate for the availability of light within that 1/250 time frame.

If speed or movement in a shot isn't an issue, then stick to aperture priority mode. The metal wheel next to the thumb rest will change how much light the lens lets in, and the camera will adjust the shutter speed accordingly (which is now what will be changed when you adjust exposure settings to get the image looking right in your EVF/BF). In Aperture priority, you have the creative advantage of being able to create background blur at will by either opening the lens right up to create very shallow depth of field (increasing aperture), or closing it right down (reducing aperture). This is the mode I shoot in 95% of the time. Note, higher f numbers indicate less light allowed into the lens (f22 etc of field), and low f numbers (f1.4, f3, f5.6 ) indicate more light allowed into the lens.

ISO choice is obviously light dependent but don't be scared to push it if you can't achieve the exposure within the confines of your desired shutter speed or aperture settings.

And finally, when it comes to editing these raw files. I have always just used silkypix, the free included version from Panasonic and I promise you it is more than good enough to edit any pic you take from now to the end of time. All you are doing with raws essentially, is deciding on exposure (overall perceived brightness of the image) by adjusting the slider dial, and then in many cases, adding some 'HDR' which is essentially the processing of bringing out details in shadowed elements in the image. It's literally just a slider called HDR in the software, you crank that a few notches and you will be amazed and what you can pull out under the shades of trees and whatnot, data which simply isn't retained in JPGs unless the auto-mode got it just right (which I'm sure it probably does a lot of the time). That's really all there is to it, those two steps made me realize how good cameras are at seeing the world, I rarely have to adjust WB settings with the G9.
 
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I still prefer the dials/controls arrangement and power switch on my G95. .
I'm on the same boat. With the G9ii we mostly get that - only for the cost of it looking identical to the S5ii, haha
 
Yes the G9 is pretty good. I have had mine since th first batch landed in Australia. I even overcame my less than enthusiastic impressions of a side hinged lcd for it. Still like it a lot.

But if the G9 were royalty in its interface and hard to beat then somehow the G9II is just that bit nicer and and more perfect to use. Unlike the retrograde interface of the GX9 after its ancestor bodies the G9II managed to perfect what was already pretty well perfect in the G9.

Grip is a bit better and the front wheel is now exactly where it naturally should be ....etc.

When you are on to a good thing - don't mess with it unless you can really improve it.

--
Tom Caldwell
 
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...With the G9ii we mostly get that - only for the cost of it looking identical to the S5ii, haha
I have two S5iiX's now because I liked the ergonomics, focus, video, and menus of the G9ii so much after getting one as a backup to an OM-1. Using the m43 and ff cameras together is a dream now for me.

Joe L
 
You got all the cameras that I was using or considered!
Each of these cameras has its own appeal and drawbacks/tradeoffs.
I had been using G100 since 2022 until I bought a G9 in Nov,2023. I have been doubting how much I can take good usage of G9 since I bought it.

G9 is too heavy and complicated to use for me. I liked G100 for its light weight and SCN mode. I took G100 with me every weekend, and I was crazy about using it to take photos and shooting videos. All I need to do is finding the interesting angle and shoot, so that I can enjoy the journey, instead of adjusting the parameters and struggling with taking a good photo.
I can definitely appreciate the spirit with which you've enjoyed your G100. It can be a pleasure to go out with a small, light camera, leave it in iAuto (or a Scene mode in your case) or maybe iAuto+ so you can dial in exposure adjustments, and just focus on your subject matter and composition. I've done that myself on occasions here and there, and as hobbyists, having fun and making enjoyable memories is what it's all about.
However, I hardly take G9 out with my journey now, or I take it with me but I don't take photos as happy and easy as I was.
I think this tells you quite a bit about what you prioritize and enjoy most about the hobby, and which gear is the best fit for your style of shooting (at least most of the time).
I have been considering to sell G9 and get a smaller one. My lenses are DG12-60mm F2.8-3.5 and 45-150mm. I also consider selling them and buy a 14-140mm Ⅱ.

Here are my options:
I'll provide a few bits of commentary on my experience with these cameras below. YMMV and opinions vary, so don't take my opinions as canonical.
1. G100---I used to it. Enough for me.
Overall, a very enjoyable camera formula IMO but not for everyone. Fabulous, top-notch m43 stills (both JPEG and RAW) with mechanical or e-shutter (real 12-bit RAW) and great 1080p 8-bit video, great LCD screen, very usable EVF (IMO a big step up from the GX85), and a surprisingly decent grip for those with medium to smaller-ish hands.

But I'm not a fan of the 4k video with this camera. Not about the crop but IMO there's very distracting rolling shutter which gives a jello-like effect with lots of subjects and moving foliage. I'm not sure why this is worse than with the G95, which also has a 1.25x crop for 4k30. I'm guessing the readout speed is slower in exchange for full 12-bits of RAW data being fed through its imaging pipeline vs the G95 which I think goes down to 10-bit RAW data pipeline for the sake of less rolling shutter. I'm really not sure. Anyway, I personally don't shoot a ton of4k, favoring 1080p for most of my use cases. But I avoid 4k completely with the G100.

But the serious and major problem I have with the G100, and the reason I'm parting with it, is unfortunately, I'm completely cursed when it comes to Panasonic compact rear dials! They just fail on me again and again and yet again. You can read about my experience here if you're curious.

A secondary complaint is that it lacks the live composite and panorama shooting modes of cameras like the GX85, G85, and G95, but this isn't a deal breaker, more of an annoyance IMO.

The limits missing IBIS, 1/500s limit with mechanical shutter, and 1/50s flash speed never bothered me with the G100 but again, it's obvious why these limits may matter to some folks.

As a result of the dial reliability problems I experienced, I wish you owners/prospective buyers of such cameras (including GX9, GX7, GM5, GM1, etc.) the best of luck with the longevity of your rear wheels. Some seem to have had good luck. Others have eventually seen these dials fail. As for me, I simply can't own these cameras as they fail too often to make them enjoyable and recommendable. Too much risk IMO.
2. G95---100g lighter than G9. Has live comp and full view and SCN mode. Sounds interesting. I.S.
I really like the G95. I like it a lot. Excellent build quality/durability and weather sealing, IBIS is good, EVF is good, features are very good, controls on it are perfect IMO and the grip makes the camera much more comfortable to use with longer or heavier lenses. IQ for JPEG and RAW is generally great although the camera can drop down into 10-bit RAW mode without telling you in certain high speed operating modes — i.e., bracketing, some high speed burst situations, etc. I don't like this behavior, but it rarely surfaces in my personal use cases. And even when it does, it's been an annoyance and not a deal-breaker.

Although not as heavy as the G9, the G95 is still nearly 200g heavier than your G100. You will definitely notice added mass. IMO, the larger, more comfortable grip of the means that the heavier weight is not more challenging to handle.

Prior to getting the G9, I would most often use my G95 as my A-cam and carry my G100 with a secondary lens mounted on it so I could cut down on lens changes (and also have a second camera body both as backup and to hand to my son who, during travel, often enjoys using a real camera body).

If you don't want/need specific features offered on the G9 (e.g., joystick control, 4k60 and true Vlog video profile, higher frame rates with full 12-bit quality, dual card slots), the G95 is a great choice. IMO the third "best" non-GH Panasonic camera available, behind the G9ii and G9.
3. GX85---Good looking. I.S. But only 16MP. I'm not sure how much the gap is between 16MP and 20MP.
Personally, I have very mixed opinions on the GX85 (and GX9) — I'd recommend the G85 (or G95 or even GX8) instead.

The GX85 is definitely attractive on paper, and a superb concept — dual dial controls, IBIS, no-record limit 4k and 1080p video, excellent feature set, in a small rangefinder package. And the price with the very good 12-32mm and 45-150mm kit lenses was extremely compelling.

However, my personal experience with multiple rear dial failures in a few short years really soured my time with the camera.

Reliability aside, my other critiques of the camera are that EVF is functional but truly unenjoyable, and the color science/AWB of JPEGs and videos with the GX85 (and G85) is IMO not as good as later cameras like the G100, GX9, G95, and G9. But others might prefer the slightly more "vintage-y" look of the GX85 (and G85) images so you should look at samples and judge for yourself. Grip is very lacking on the GX85 compared to even the G100 and certainly the G95, which you may or may not care about depending on which lenses you use and how long your carry your camera in your hand at a stretch.

Finally, the Auto ISO is way more limiting on the GX85 than on cameras like the G100, G95, and G9. It won't allow you to set a minimum shutter speed. To me that's simply not as useful of an implementation of Auto ISO. So I usually shot the GX85 in M mode to have control over my aperture and shutter speed when using Auto ISO. Unfortunately, exposure comp changes aren't allowed in M mode on the GX85 (no such limits exist on the G95, G100 or G9) so managing exposure** was simply harder for me with the GX85.

And finally, finally: No USB charging with the GX85. This never used to a big deal to me, and I could probably live without it. But there have been so many travel occasions where I've accidentally lost or forgotten a battery charger that having USB charging available as a backup option is huge. I really don't want a camera body that doesn't have it anymore.

I love zoom lenses like the 14-140mm f3.5-5.6 and tend to carry my camera body in my hand for hours at a time as a tourist and day hiker, so I found an add-on grip for the GX85 was a necessity for ergonomic reasons.

Taken together, the sum of my experience is that the G85/G95/G9 are the best fit for my own needs, use cases, weather sealing and ergonomic preferences. Small and light doesn't matter as much to me as other priorities.

In general, I'd recommend the G85 over the GX85 to everyone who can handle the slightly bigger body size. And I'd recommend the G95 over the G85 to everyone who doesn't absolutely require uncropped 4k.

But back to camera size and weight. If you didn't find the G9 enjoyable because of its bulk, I'm not sure you'll very much take the G95. It is smaller and lighter, to be clear. But it might not be smaller/lighter enough. I'm also going to add something that is not commonly understood about the GX85: Although it is small, to me it doesn't feel particularly light. Its density can be shocking to people who've never handled one before. IMO, a camera that's heavy and small is somewhat harder to hold onto than something that's slightly heavier but bigger and grippier. Personally, I found the ergonomics and overall shooting experience of the G95 so much better than the GX85, I didn't miss it one bit.

But definitely YMMV. Maybe what makes you happiest is the smallest and lightest Panasonic camera with superb, modern image quality and a good EVF and great LCD screen. Well the good news is you already own it: The G100.

Sorry for the ramble. Let me know if you have any specific questions.

For my part, my GX85 was sold long ago. The G100 will go next. I'm keeping only the G9 and G95. Despite their heavier/larger size, I prefer the reliability, ergonomics, features, and capabilities with these bodies. YMMV.

** exposure for RAW, lightness for JPEG and video, to be a bit more technically precise
 
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And finally, finally: No USB charging with the GX85. This never used to a big deal to me, and I could probably live without it. But there have been so many travel occasions where I've accidentally lost or forgotten a battery charger that having USB charging available as a backup option is huge. I really don't want a camera body that doesn't have it anymore.
Unless I'm crazy (quite possible) the GX80 did usb charge (only micro not usb-c), so I'd assume the GX85 did too?
 
And finally, finally: No USB charging with the GX85. This never used to a big deal to me, and I could probably live without it. But there have been so many travel occasions where I've accidentally lost or forgotten a battery charger that having USB charging available as a backup option is huge. I really don't want a camera body that doesn't have it anymore.
Unless I'm crazy (quite possible) the GX80 did usb charge (only micro not usb-c), so I'd assume the GX85 did too?
You're not crazy. I misremembered. The GX85 does have in-camera USB charging while the G85 (for some reason) does not. The G95 does have USB charging also.
 
And finally, finally: No USB charging with the GX85. This never used to a big deal to me, and I could probably live without it. But there have been so many travel occasions where I've accidentally lost or forgotten a battery charger that having USB charging available as a backup option is huge. I really don't want a camera body that doesn't have it anymore.
Unless I'm crazy (quite possible) the GX80 did usb charge (only micro not usb-c), so I'd assume the GX85 did too?
You're not crazy. I misremembered. The GX85 does have in-camera USB charging while the G85 (for some reason) does not. The G95 does have USB charging also.
Ah XD

I wish they'd got usb-c into the GX9, makes me look at a GRiii more and more D:
 
And finally, finally: No USB charging with the GX85. This never used to a big deal to me, and I could probably live without it. But there have been so many travel occasions where I've accidentally lost or forgotten a battery charger that having USB charging available as a backup option is huge. I really don't want a camera body that doesn't have it anymore.
Unless I'm crazy (quite possible) the GX80 did usb charge (only micro not usb-c), so I'd assume the GX85 did too?
You're not crazy. I misremembered. The GX85 does have in-camera USB charging while the G85 (for some reason) does not. The G95 does have USB charging also.
Ah XD

I wish they'd got usb-c into the GX9, makes me look at a GRiii more and more D:
I appreciate the correction.

While it would be great to have USB-C in every camera that's stuck on micro USB, at least there are adapter tips for USB-C to micro-USB, and vice-versa.

But there's no adapter that can put USB charging into a camera that doesn't come with it built in.
 
Camera design "perfection" is really a series of what compromises we are willing to make.

I like more compact shapes and tend to prefer RF-Style bodies despite their limited grip size and smaller evf units. To me adding a grip to make such a camera comfortable to use is a contradiction of objectives.

I accept the comfort-compromises of a RF-style body (basically as out of the box) as necessary to keep these bodies more compact.

Others prefer a larger grip and evf unit. They prefer to have this and are quite willing to forgive some extra physical size to buy and use a faux-dslr style body.

On the other hand I still prefer tilting lcd units, or even fixed lcd, to side hinged ones. The tilting lcd is no bother until it is needed whilst the side hinge is inherently more awkward to use despite its obvious extra versatility. This is largely because the (often small but still quite usable) evf is the main source of focus confirmation and framing.

Others might choose to use the lcd as their principle go-to for capturing images. Video users seem most likely to use the lcd.

I get by with side hinged lcd without going mad by their fiddly nature by simply pretending for the most part that they are actually of the fixed lcd type.

Hopefully there will always be a variety of camera body styles and we will always be able to find one that approximates our ideal.

Although dodgy wheels seem to be an issue with some I am quite reconciled to the fact that some people can have a bad run of luck with them and others are more blessed with reliability.

Nevertheless the fact is that if the Panasonic wheels were so easily destroyed then their camera business would have fallen apart by now.

We might be better served by trying to understand just why these wheels seem to self destruct for some on their cameras and yet serve very useful lives for others. I find it harder to accept that it is a simple QC issue but I am not doubting that it has happened.
 

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