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I don't want to break the bank but just installed Photo AI and seems to lock up my Elements program when I work in that program. I have read that Photo AI needs a minimum of 6 gb card and I think the GTX 1050 ti may only be 4. This will go in a Dell XPS machine. My computer is about 7 years old and I have thought about replacing it but not having any issues with it. Is there a card that you might suggest that wouldn't be too expensive?
 
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
From what I am seeing from various testing sites/channels, the 2070 super vs. the 4060 is 2 percent speed difference. Not noticeable in even the most demanding work flows. There are a bunch of 2070' supers on ebay. I was looking at getting a second one and running dual GPUs in a new/old system.
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The key difference is the power used.

The current 1050 Ti only uses 75W

A 4060 uses 115W so that's +40W

A 2070 Super is 215W so +140W which could put a big strain on the stock power supply. It also requires a 8 + 6 pin which their power supply might not have and you would be harder to adapt other cables for that much power.
 
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there seems to be a 4050/6gb model that draws only 70W, sells for less than $200.
 
incoherent1 said:
plantdoc said:
My dell xps 8700 is even older. I upgraded to the gtx 1050ti about 1 year ago because the user forum indicated it was the cheapest and easiest upgrade. Works fine with old LR and photo ai. Not speedy but OK for sporadic use with 20 megapixel raw files. ON1 now OK with recent update. PSU is only 450 watt. Minimal or not ok for most newer 8 gig GPU. Let us know what works. No more upgrades for me. New, but read about CPU issues with some 13 - 14 generation intel.. hmm.

Greg
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I also have xps8700; currently using Nvidia K620. Is the gtx1050ti better?

or any other suggestions? Seems like the system is not worth putting in more gpu power; but I'm content except for not being able to use advanced "ai" features in LR, but don't think (?) I need them.
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A GTX 1050 ti is much better than a Quadro K620. (For one thing, the K620 has 2GB of VRAM. Not enough for some software, performance aside.)

The Quadro K620 was a low-end workstation card. The 1050 ti was a medium/low end desktop card. A Quadro won't benefit you unless you're running some CAD software.

The K620 was current with the XPS 8700. (Gen4 Intel CPU. We're now at Gen14.) Both are roughly 10 years old.

I wouldn't suggest spending much on upgrading a PC of that age. The nice thing about a 1050 ti is that it needs no additional power, so swapping one in should be easy. I see them on eBay for as little as $65 (including shipping). Cards from newer series could be better, but I believe that all RTX cards require additional power.

Don't get a GT 1030 at any price. 2GB of VRAM, and poor performance.
 
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
From what I am seeing from various testing sites/channels, the 2070 super vs. the 4060 is 2 percent speed difference. Not noticeable in even the most demanding work flows. There are a bunch of 2070' supers on ebay. I was looking at getting a second one and running dual GPUs in a new/old system.
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The best nVidia graphics card offered with "Fishrman's" XPS 8930 was a GTX 1080. I don't know whether that was offered with one of the 460W PSU, but 460W would have been adequate for it.

The 1080 uses a single 8 pin PCI-E power connector. I assume that the 8930 has one.

An RTX 2070 Super is rated at 215W, and needs an 8 pin plus a 6 pin power connector. And a minimum suggested PSU of 550W.

An RTX 4060 has a minimum suggested PSU of 300W.

If "Fishrman" has an XPS 8930 with the 850W PSU option, a used 270 super might be a reasonable option. With a 460W PSU, the 4060 is an easier recommendation.

I admit that the Dell XPS 8930 appears to use a standard ATX PSU, so it could be possible to upgrade to a 2070 Super with a new (>460W) PSU for roughly the same cost as a new 4060. Unless "Fishrman" wants to move a step closer to becoming a PC hobbyist (like me), I wouldn't recommend it.
 
thank you
 
Sorry but not familiar with your GPU. How much Vram? My original card was 2 and the 1050ti is much better. A gtx 1650 was another option.

Greg
 
I was at Costco earlier today. It has an ibuypower desktop on sale for $999. It is built around an i7 14700 and RTX 4060. It comes with 32 GB memory and 2TB storage. Even though it is cutting edge, it is an excellent deal.
 
I would not spend too much either, but if used is available for about $65 I think the major improvement is worthwhile. You will need to install the Nvidia? software to update to the appropriate driver and settings for your monitor. My 8700 still meets my needs for photo processing. I saw the Costco ibuypower PC for $999. I was seriously considering it until I read the potentially serious bug with Intel 13, 14 generation processors. Waiting for more information

Greg
 
kelpdiver said:
there seems to be a 4050/6gb model that draws only 70W, sells for less than $200.
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

"The GeForce RTX 4050 is a graphics card by NVIDIA, that was never released."

Which might explain why Newegg has none listed. TechPowerUp says 100W rather than 70, though.

(A mobile 4050 exists, common for laptops.)

There is an RTX 3050, which is a 6GB, 70W card that requires no additional power. I've seen them included in Dell listings.

I think it's the weakest RTX card, but Newegg has some at $170US. I had completely forgotten that there was an RTX card that gets all its power from the PCI-E slot.

I'm not sure, but the RTX 3050 may be the most powerful card available that doesn't need aux power.
 
NEO54321 said:
I was at Costco earlier today. It has an ibuypower desktop on sale for $999. It is built around an i7 14700 and RTX 4060. It comes with 32 GB memory and 2TB storage. Even though it is cutting edge, it is an excellent deal.
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I was at Costco today too. Saw the same deal. I have no experience with air flow but it appeared to have 3 fans on the front and one in the back. A big box with not much physical size of components, so I was thinking it might run fairly cool. I may have to consider it further, rather than spending money on a new card on my 7 year old computer?
 
plantdoc said:
I would not spend too much either, but if used is available for about $65 I think the major improvement is worthwhile. You will need to install the Nvidia? software to update to the appropriate driver and settings for your monitor. My 8700 still meets my needs for photo processing. I saw the Costco ibuypower PC for $999. I was seriously considering it until I read the potentially serious bug with Intel 13, 14 generation processors. Waiting for more information

Greg
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Not familiar with the bug you are referring to.
 
BobKnDP said:
kelpdiver said:
there seems to be a 4050/6gb model that draws only 70W, sells for less than $200.
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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4050 Specs | TechPowerUp GPU Database

"The GeForce RTX 4050 is a graphics card by NVIDIA, that was never released."

Which might explain why Newegg has none listed. TechPowerUp says 100W rather than 70, though.

(A mobile 4050 exists, common for laptops.)

There is an RTX 3050, which is a 6GB, 70W card that requires no additional power. I've seen them included in Dell listings.

I think it's the weakest RTX card, but Newegg has some at $170US. I had completely forgotten that there was an RTX card that gets all its power from the PCI-E slot.

I'm not sure, but the RTX 3050 may be the most powerful card available that doesn't need aux power.
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The (mobile) RTX 4050 is one of the most power-efficient GPUs available.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Z...and-Qualcomm-Adreno-X1-85.868475.0.html#toc-6

In the Dell XPS 14 2024 OLED it is higher performance with fewer Watts than any Snapdragon X, however in the Samsung Galaxy Book 4 Ultra a bit lower performance. Passmark G3D 14,406. All of 'em beat the Radeon 890M, which has no Passmark rating that I can find.

Sorry to go off-topic onto laptop GPU. RTX 4060 is the next best Nvidia, I guess.
 
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Fishrman2 said:
NEO54321 said:
I was at Costco earlier today. It has an ibuypower desktop on sale for $999. It is built around an i7 14700 and RTX 4060. It comes with 32 GB memory and 2TB storage. Even though it is cutting edge, it is an excellent deal.
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I was at Costco today too. Saw the same deal. I have no experience with air flow but it appeared to have 3 fans on the front and one in the back. A big box with not much physical size of components, so I was thinking it might run fairly cool. I may have to consider it further, rather than spending money on a new card on my 7 year old computer?
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Other than AI are you hitting any big bottlenecks?

Also I just read your OP again and with Adobe AI at least in Lightroom so I'm assuming Adobe Camera Raw (I can't comment on any other features) your 1050 Ti should actually work. I've use my laptop with one for it just to see if it's possible. It takes over a minute per image but if you just want to try it out that should be OK.
 
Fishrman2 said:
plantdoc said:
I would not spend too much either, but if used is available for about $65 I think the major improvement is worthwhile. You will need to install the Nvidia? software to update to the appropriate driver and settings for your monitor. My 8700 still meets my needs for photo processing. I saw the Costco ibuypower PC for $999. I was seriously considering it until I read the potentially serious bug with Intel 13, 14 generation processors. Waiting for more information

Greg
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Not familiar with the bug you are referring to.
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July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors - Intel Community

Intel Gen13 and Gen14 CPUs failing in use. With permanent damage.

I'm not sure how common it is. I have a system based on an I9-13900K. Reliable, so far. I don't heavily exercise it, much.
 
Fishrman2 said:
NEO54321 said:
I was at Costco earlier today. It has an ibuypower desktop on sale for $999. It is built around an i7 14700 and RTX 4060. It comes with 32 GB memory and 2TB storage. Even though it is cutting edge, it is an excellent deal.
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I was at Costco today too. Saw the same deal. I have no experience with air flow but it appeared to have 3 fans on the front and one in the back. A big box with not much physical size of components, so I was thinking it might run fairly cool. I may have to consider it further, rather than spending money on a new card on my 7 year old computer?
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Looks pretty good. The CPU cooler is small for an I7-14700F. Some reviewers state that the cooler overhangs two memory slots. The pictured one does not.

I had a little trouble finding what sort of RAM it uses, but an eBay listing claims DDR5 5600. iBUYPOWER TraceMesh 7 Gaming Desktop - 14th Gen Intel Core i7-14700F TMI7N4601 | eBay

I don't know what CPU you have in the Dell 8930. It appears that the best possible one would be an I7-8700K. An I7-14700F would be much more powerful than that. (Passmark, more than 3X.)

II checked PCPartpicker.com, to get some idea what a DIYer might pay for a similar system. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Np6Yvj Over $1100, with no OS. (I tried to make a fair comparison.)

I don't know what to recommend. Spending a lot of money on upgrades for old PCs can be a bit of a waste, but you could upgrade your GPU without spending $1k.

If you're retired like me, get the new PC. Life is too short to be stuck with an old, slow PC. ;-)
 
BobKnDP said:
Fishrman2 said:
plantdoc said:
I would not spend too much either, but if used is available for about $65 I think the major improvement is worthwhile. You will need to install the Nvidia? software to update to the appropriate driver and settings for your monitor. My 8700 still meets my needs for photo processing. I saw the Costco ibuypower PC for $999. I was seriously considering it until I read the potentially serious bug with Intel 13, 14 generation processors. Waiting for more information

Greg
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Not familiar with the bug you are referring to.
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July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors - Intel Community

Intel Gen13 and Gen14 CPUs failing in use. With permanent damage.

I'm not sure how common it is. I have a system based on an I9-13900K. Reliable, so far. I don't heavily exercise it, much.
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It;s sensationalized greatly on the internet. It only happens in certain conditions and most times, it's because the end user was trying to push more performance through the chip by messing with the bios. The only time I have heard it happening without user input was on asus motherboards where they automatically push the chips for higher performance.
 
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
BobKnDP said:
Fishrman2 said:
plantdoc said:
I would not spend too much either, but if used is available for about $65 I think the major improvement is worthwhile. You will need to install the Nvidia? software to update to the appropriate driver and settings for your monitor. My 8700 still meets my needs for photo processing. I saw the Costco ibuypower PC for $999. I was seriously considering it until I read the potentially serious bug with Intel 13, 14 generation processors. Waiting for more information

Greg
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Not familiar with the bug you are referring to.
Click to expand...
July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors - Intel Community

Intel Gen13 and Gen14 CPUs failing in use. With permanent damage.

I'm not sure how common it is. I have a system based on an I9-13900K. Reliable, so far. I don't heavily exercise it, much.
Click to expand...
It;s sensationalized greatly on the internet. It only happens in certain conditions and most times, it's because the end user was trying to push more performance through the chip by messing with the bios. The only time I have heard it happening without user input was on asus motherboards where they automatically push the chips for higher performance.
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It's been happening a lot without any user input on W680 server boards which can take consumer CPUs in the data center as well. So it could simply be a matter of time you have the CPU on.


Start at 11:34 for this section of it.

After the issues started those impacted tried to lessen the load on the CPU by disabling certain parts of the chip like the E cores or massively downclock the memory and still have been having issues with stability.
 
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CBR1100XX said:
The Point and Shoot Pro said:
BobKnDP said:
Fishrman2 said:
plantdoc said:
I would not spend too much either, but if used is available for about $65 I think the major improvement is worthwhile. You will need to install the Nvidia? software to update to the appropriate driver and settings for your monitor. My 8700 still meets my needs for photo processing. I saw the Costco ibuypower PC for $999. I was seriously considering it until I read the potentially serious bug with Intel 13, 14 generation processors. Waiting for more information

Greg
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Not familiar with the bug you are referring to.
Click to expand...
July 2024 Update on Instability Reports on Intel Core 13th and 14th Gen Desktop Processors - Intel Community

Intel Gen13 and Gen14 CPUs failing in use. With permanent damage.

I'm not sure how common it is. I have a system based on an I9-13900K. Reliable, so far. I don't heavily exercise it, much.
Click to expand...
It;s sensationalized greatly on the internet. It only happens in certain conditions and most times, it's because the end user was trying to push more performance through the chip by messing with the bios. The only time I have heard it happening without user input was on asus motherboards where they automatically push the chips for higher performance.
Click to expand...
It's been happening a lot without any user input on W680 server boards which can take consumer CPUs in the data center as well. So it could simply be a matter of time you have the CPU on.


Start at 11:34

After the issues started those impacted tried to lessen the load on the CPU by disabling certain parts of the chip like the E cores or massively downclock the memory and still have been having issues with stability.
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It's been proven to be because of overvoltage. Again, Youtubers/tech sites are over sensationalizing because it get's clicks. How many 13/14th gen chips are out there running fine? thousands more than are having issues I bet.
 
Yup. Haven't seen any large number of consumer complaints about failing processors. So far it's only been some places running the processors in servers that operate 24x7. Intel will likely supply a microcode patch this month. Then there's thev batch of processors that were contaminated and no one knows how many of those there are.
 
Robert Zanatta said:
Yup. Haven't seen any large number of consumer complaints about failing processors. So far it's only been some places running the processors in servers that operate 24x7. Intel will likely supply a microcode patch this month. Then there's thev batch of processors that were contaminated and no one knows how many of those there are.
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They said they are aware of the issue and are 100 percent releasing a bios update for MBs. Also, if your cpu IS affected, they will RMA with a new one. But, as you said, it's not an issue for 99.99999 percent of consumers out there. only the .1 that are servers running maxed 24.7 under certain conditions, and 2. Consumers that overclock one setting on their bios.
 
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