Nikon Z8 and the Nikon 28-400mm f/4-8 for travel?

Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
I hope I'm not being too rude. Last month, I hiked from Pico do Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. This is a pretty tough hiking path. I took the Z8 along with the 70-200 S, 20 1.8 S, 180-600, filters, a tripod, and other gear. The way back was a bit hard, but I was rewarded with high-quality images. If you have real passion for what you do, then you don't mind a bit of suffering.

If you aren't too old and don't have health issues holding you back, it might be better to spend time improving your fitness and mental toughness rather than trying to save as much weight as possible.

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Not trying to be rude either, but it's not because you have the passion that you should burden yourself with 5kg of gear in your back pack all the time. Especially if you're travelling.

Both of the shots you have shown use, though impressive could have been achieved with a micro four third camera and multishot modes (which are now able to be used hand-held).

Sometimes, when you travel you're not alone, or you're not always with other photographers that have the time to put up with your BS.

I regularly do long hikes and some trekking, and yeah, sometimes I will carry my heavy gear with me, but more often than not, when I do, the image quality benefits it gives me are marginal.

In my trekking bag I have enough space for a bottle of water, a few bars of cereal and a compact camera. So that's what I take with me, and a lot of my favourite shots have been taken with a camera this small.

I found that I enjoyed my travels much more when I was carrying smaller cameras and minimal setups (like a micro four thirds and a couple of lenses, or an APS-C camera instead of my full frame gear), because it stops being a burden and a source of worry in regards to how much it costs.

Did I endure the suffering carrying my full frame gear to the top of mountains? Yep, I have. Did it matter that much? Nope, it didn't.

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(G.A.S. and collectionnite will get my skin one day)
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
I hope I'm not being too rude. Last month, I hiked from Pico do Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. This is a pretty tough hiking path. I took the Z8 along with the 70-200 S, 20 1.8 S, 180-600, filters, a tripod, and other gear. The way back was a bit hard, but I was rewarded with high-quality images. If you have real passion for what you do, then you don't mind a bit of suffering.

If you aren't too old and don't have health issues holding you back, it might be better to spend time improving your fitness and mental toughness rather than trying to save as much weight as possible.

57397108fd794baab3c934e3e93f23af.jpg

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Not trying to be rude either, but it's not because you have the passion that you should burden yourself with 5kg of gear in your back pack all the time. Especially if you're travelling.

Both of the shots you have shown use, though impressive could have been achieved with a micro four third camera and multishot modes (which are now able to be used hand-held).

Sometimes, when you travel you're not alone, or you're not always with other photographers that have the time to put up with your BS.

I regularly do long hikes and some trekking, and yeah, sometimes I will carry my heavy gear with me, but more often than not, when I do, the image quality benefits it gives me are marginal.

In my trekking bag I have enough space for a bottle of water, a few bars of cereal and a compact camera. So that's what I take with me, and a lot of my favourite shots have been taken with a camera this small.

I found that I enjoyed my travels much more when I was carrying smaller cameras and minimal setups (like a micro four thirds and a couple of lenses, or an APS-C camera instead of my full frame gear), because it stops being a burden and a source of worry in regards to how much it costs.

Did I endure the suffering carrying my full frame gear to the top of mountains? Yep, I have. Did it matter that much? Nope, it didn't.
Counterpoint: I spent months traveling around Europe with a m4/3 camera and two lenses. Super light and compact. Do I wish I had the Z8 + 24-120 with me instead? Yes.
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
I hope I'm not being too rude. Last month, I hiked from Pico do Arieiro to Pico Ruivo. This is a pretty tough hiking path. I took the Z8 along with the 70-200 S, 20 1.8 S, 180-600, filters, a tripod, and other gear. The way back was a bit hard, but I was rewarded with high-quality images. If you have real passion for what you do, then you don't mind a bit of suffering.

If you aren't too old and don't have health issues holding you back, it might be better to spend time improving your fitness and mental toughness rather than trying to save as much weight as possible.

57397108fd794baab3c934e3e93f23af.jpg

54888fd2641242ccb973e4aab44b5364.jpg
Not trying to be rude either, but it's not because you have the passion that you should burden yourself with 5kg of gear in your back pack all the time. Especially if you're travelling.

Both of the shots you have shown use, though impressive could have been achieved with a micro four third camera and multishot modes (which are now able to be used hand-held).

Sometimes, when you travel you're not alone, or you're not always with other photographers that have the time to put up with your BS.

I regularly do long hikes and some trekking, and yeah, sometimes I will carry my heavy gear with me, but more often than not, when I do, the image quality benefits it gives me are marginal.

In my trekking bag I have enough space for a bottle of water, a few bars of cereal and a compact camera. So that's what I take with me, and a lot of my favourite shots have been taken with a camera this small.

I found that I enjoyed my travels much more when I was carrying smaller cameras and minimal setups (like a micro four thirds and a couple of lenses, or an APS-C camera instead of my full frame gear), because it stops being a burden and a source of worry in regards to how much it costs.

Did I endure the suffering carrying my full frame gear to the top of mountains? Yep, I have. Did it matter that much? Nope, it didn't.
Counterpoint: I spent months traveling around Europe with a m4/3 camera and two lenses. Super light and compact. Do I wish I had the Z8 + 24-120 with me instead? Yes.
It depends the kind of photography that you plan on doing on your trip of course.

If it's a lot of lower light, some social events where you take a lot of portrait shots, some street photography when the light goes down... yeah sure, a full frame camera will provide better low light performance.

For hiking during the day though? Eh, I don't know about that. Using multishot modes you're very unlikely to see the difference between that and a full frame camera, both in terms of DR and resolution.

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(G.A.S. and collectionnite will get my skin one day)
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
The 28-400mm doesn't pair well with the Z8? Why?
Because it is not sharp enough to support 45 MP sensors.
What does that mean?

A picture taken with that lens on a Z8 will be sharper than the same picture taken with that lens on a Z6III.
Those travel zooms work best with 24 MP because you don't lose that much of the sensor's sharpness
Sensors don't have a sharpness. Lenses have a sharpness. The lens casts a number of line pairs on the sensor, then the sensor's pixels digitize that projected image. Unless the sensor has an infinite number of pixels, the digitization process results in fewer line pairs per unit of linear measure than the lens cast. More pixels retain a higher portion of the line pairs the lens cast.
and also because 24 MP sensors have a better image quality if you use high iso values.
Yes and worse IQ if you use base ISO.
The f8 will force you to use high iso values quite often.
Depends what you shoot.
The iso performance between 24 MP and 45 MP doesn't matter if you have a sharp lens that uses the 45 MP, but it matters if you use a soft lens.
Why? The noise differnce is the same regardless of lens sharpness.
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
The 28-400mm doesn't pair well with the Z8? Why?
Because it is not sharp enough to support 45 MP sensors. Those travel zooms work best with 24 MP because you don't lose that much of the sensor's sharpness and also because 24 MP sensors have a better image quality if you use high iso values. The f8 will force you to use high iso values quite often. The iso performance between 24 MP and 45 MP doesn't matter if you have a sharp lens that uses the 45 MP, but it matters if you use a soft lens.
I'm pretty sure that all lenses made to day for the Z system (from Nikon) are sharp enough and designed with the 45MP sensors in mind. It may not be as sharp as the 24-120 for example, but I'm sure Nikon took the Z7/Z8/Z9 into account when designing the lens.
 
Both of the shots you have shown use, though impressive could have been achieved with a micro four third camera and multishot modes (which are now able to be used hand-held).
Multishoots are never going to replace one high quality shoot, if there is any movement.

But I'm not denying that there are good reasons to save weight. Of course there are. I'm talking about saving ~200-300g on the camera body while everything else remains the same.
 
Both of the shots you have shown use, though impressive could have been achieved with a micro four third camera and multishot modes (which are now able to be used hand-held).
Multishoots are never going to replace one high quality shoot, if there is any movement.

But I'm not denying that there are good reasons to save weight. Of course there are. I'm talking about saving ~200-300g on the camera body while everything else remains the same.
Yeah if you are saving just a little bit there is no point. Z8 might be big to pack in a hiking bag when you have food, water and clothing with you though.

You either go for a lightweight kit or you don't, half measures will bring you the drawbacks of both while the advantages of none
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
Ounces equal pounds, pounds equal pain.
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
If people listened to Physiotherapists more they’d understand that it matters to everyone tbh, since very few people carry weights correctly. 60yr old you will thank 30yr old you for thinking about this
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
The 28-400mm doesn't pair well with the Z8? Why?
Because it is not sharp enough to support 45 MP sensors. Those travel zooms work best with 24 MP because you don't lose that much of the sensor's sharpness and also because 24 MP sensors have a better image quality if you use high iso values. The f8 will force you to use high iso values quite often. The iso performance between 24 MP and 45 MP doesn't matter if you have a sharp lens that uses the 45 MP, but it matters if you use a soft lens.
Most of the tests I’ve seen have shown it to be surprisingly sharp. And lens performance and photography are about so much more than sharpness
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
If people listened to Physiotherapists more they’d understand that it matters to everyone tbh, since very few people carry weights correctly. 60yr old you will thank 30yr old you for thinking about this
perhaps we should just let the OP decide if the weight/size is a problem or not. After all, they're the one carrying the thing, not us.

I know some people in their 30's that can barely carry a DSLR with a 200-500 attached, and likewise I know quite a few 60+ year olds who can sling that combo around like it's nothing. So it really comes down to the photographer and what they feel comfortable with. Some people still have the strength at 60-70 years old, some lose that strength and have issues earlier in life. It just comes down to the photographer.

I'm getting to the point where I would prefer not to carry around more weight than necessary, but taht doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to trade my Z8 and longer lenses for a smartphone just yet.

On a dail-long hiking trip or travel trip I might ask myself if I really need the extra stuff the Z8 offers (like resolution) or can I get away with my Zf which is a bit lighter and smaller. That's usually my first question is what am I doing, and what do I really need. If the Z8 is all the OP has, well, then that narrows things down pretty quick. On my upcoming European trip, I am trying NOT to bring the Z8 if I can avoid it and would amost invest in something smaller like a Z50 or Z5 and use my Zf as my primary camera (for size/weight reasons), but everyone is different in their preferences, and tolerances to weight/size. I jsut know I'll be walking around all day and the thought of even the Z8 and a 24-120 is not that appealing to be honest.

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Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
The 28-400mm doesn't pair well with the Z8? Why?
Because it is not sharp enough to support 45 MP sensors.
What does that mean?

A picture taken with that lens on a Z8 will be sharper than the same picture taken with that lens on a Z6III.
It will be sharper, but the difference won't be as noticeable as with a sharp lens like the 50mm f/1.8. The sharpness of the sensor is determined by the MP count. The more megapixels a sensor has, the sharper the images it can produce. Higher megapixel sensors need sharper lenses to take full advantage of the high resolution. For example, if the 28-400 lens has an 'effective' resolution of only 30 MP on a 45 MP sensor and 22 MP on a 24 MP sensor, the difference in resolution will be smaller than on paper. But the pixel size of the sensor remains the same, and larger pixels provide better noise performance. If the lens is too soft, the overall image quality on a lower MP sensor may be better, because the 'effective' resolution of the 45 MP sensor won't be enough to compensate the worse per pixel noise performance.
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
The 28-400mm doesn't pair well with the Z8? Why?
Because it is not sharp enough to support 45 MP sensors.
What does that mean?

A picture taken with that lens on a Z8 will be sharper than the same picture taken with that lens on a Z6III.
It will be sharper, but the difference won't be as noticeable as with a sharp lens like the 50mm f/1.8.
Yes, that's probably correct.
The sharpness of the sensor is determined by the MP count.
It is not something that can be measured. Twice the pixel count doesn't give you twice the image resolution for a given lens. If you can't measure it, does it ezist?
The more megapixels a sensor has, the sharper the images it can produce.
Yes.
Higher megapixel sensors need sharper lenses to take full advantage of the high resolution.
?

Sharper lenses need more megapixels on a sensor to take full advantage of the sharpness of the lens. Lenses have a sharpness that can be mearured on an optical bench.
For example, if the 28-400 lens has an 'effective' resolution of only 30 MP on a 45 MP sensor and 22 MP on a 24 MP sensor, the difference in resolution will be smaller than on paper.
Any reason to believe those numbers are representative of this lens on these sensors?
But the pixel size of the sensor remains the same, and larger pixels provide better noise performance.
That's not actually true, unless you are limiting yourself to the noise performance of individual pixels, which is irrelevant to whole image noise. As far as shot noise goes, a FF sensor will have the same noise at the same exposure, regardless of how many pixel it is divided into.
If the lens is too soft, the overall image quality on a lower MP sensor may be better, because the 'effective' resolution of the 45 MP sensor won't be enough to compensate the worse per pixel noise performance.
Another thing that is hard to measure.
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
That's exactly it.
 
Many people give their opinion without an side by side comparison.

Many people critique weight when perhaps they don't have mobility issues, are bulletproof, superior human beings. Perhaps never have been confronted by limitations on jungle hopper planes, regarding luggage. perhaps the furthest away they have taken their equipment is a 4th of July air show.

I would rather take my 28-400mm than my 100-400mm in those occasions that I need to take my drone, controller and extra batteries. Perhaps my macro flashes. I would rather take my 28-400mm intead of my 24-200mm , its my choice, my way of thinking.



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Both of the shots you have shown use, though impressive could have been achieved with a micro four third camera and multishot modes (which are now able to be used hand-held).
Multishoots are never going to replace one high quality shoot, if there is any movement.

But I'm not denying that there are good reasons to save weight. Of course there are. I'm talking about saving ~200-300g on the camera body while everything else remains the same.
Yeah if you are saving just a little bit there is no point. Z8 might be big to pack in a hiking bag when you have food, water and clothing with you though.

You either go for a lightweight kit or you don't, half measures will bring you the drawbacks of both while the advantages of none
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
If people listened to Physiotherapists more they’d understand that it matters to everyone tbh, since very few people carry weights correctly. 60yr old you will thank 30yr old you for thinking about this
100%. Some people think they're going to be young forever.
 
Why are so many people so super sensitive about weight? I don't get it. It feels like every second thread is about weight.

The 28-400 does not pair well with the Z8. If weight is so much more important than quality, Smartphones are hard to beat.
With travel where you're physically traveling most of the time, every bit saved counts towards protecting our backs.

And weight saved is weight that can also be used to carry other stuff. Like a bigger bottle of water for example.
I appreciate this post. I've seen lots of "who cares about weight" posts on this forum that miss the point. It matters to backpackers and travelers.
If people listened to Physiotherapists more they’d understand that it matters to everyone tbh, since very few people carry weights correctly. 60yr old you will thank 30yr old you for thinking about this
perhaps we should just let the OP decide if the weight/size is a problem or not. After all, they're the one carrying the thing, not us.

I know some people in their 30's that can barely carry a DSLR with a 200-500 attached, and likewise I know quite a few 60+ year olds who can sling that combo around like it's nothing. So it really comes down to the photographer and what they feel comfortable with. Some people still have the strength at 60-70 years old, some lose that strength and have issues earlier in life. It just comes down to the photographer.

I'm getting to the point where I would prefer not to carry around more weight than necessary, but taht doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to trade my Z8 and longer lenses for a smartphone just yet.

On a dail-long hiking trip or travel trip I might ask myself if I really need the extra stuff the Z8 offers (like resolution) or can I get away with my Zf which is a bit lighter and smaller. That's usually my first question is what am I doing, and what do I really need. If the Z8 is all the OP has, well, then that narrows things down pretty quick. On my upcoming European trip, I am trying NOT to bring the Z8 if I can avoid it and would amost invest in something smaller like a Z50 or Z5 and use my Zf as my primary camera (for size/weight reasons), but everyone is different in their preferences, and tolerances to weight/size. I jsut know I'll be walking around all day and the thought of even the Z8 and a 24-120 is not that appealing to be honest.
 
Possibility TAMRON zoom for my Fuji XT cameras? Considering TAMRON 70-180mm F2,8 VXD G2 at 855g with internal focusing about 1000 euros on my SONY A7R3.
 

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