Best pocketable camera

Are phones currently the best pocketable cameras? What other options do we have? Ricoh GRIII?

Why isn't anyone releasing something that can beat an iPhone in terms of handling and image quality?
In my opinion based on IQ and versatility the Sony RX100vii. It has better IQ and far better handling than an iPhone. For photography the handling and ergonomics of a smartphone are poor because they are designed to be held vertically in the palm of your hand. They also lack dedicated controls and buttons that many photographers find essential. Lastly the focal range is too limited.
RX100VII? why?

It's just overkill, there's no need.

Any HX or WX will suffice to go against any phone.
Why? Why not? I don't find that any camera with a smaller than 1" senor gives me the image quality I want.

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Any HX or WX will suffice to go against any phone.

Hey, even my G5X MKI or S95 will suffice, the only field that a phone will win is making calls and messages.
And even in the field of making calls many modern phones fail, the user has to use an unusual holding to hear because the speakers are placed on a bad position.
I don’t think you’ve tried the best phones then.
I have two phones i have more than 25k photos ( work related) and while they are very handy for the task it still baffles me how poor they are with a flash

1- they are from the same brand ( A32 and S21 Ultra) but how different their sensibility is with auto flash
I think you cannot base your opinion on these phones.
I am not an expert in 'photo-phones' but i think a >900€ phone should be state-of-the-art.
2- the lack of a auxiliary focus light results of frames with nothing in focus, if i don't chose a focal point in the screen

Zoom, they are hopeless

colour rendition, hopeless

textures, mediocre

Handling, ergonomics, hopeless
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To work with they are amazing ( specially when paired with a app), i have my work in the palm of my hand, information always available, i don't need to be at work to work, it was a huge step up in optimizing my workflow and enhance my productivity , i don't have to be at my desk to work, often, when i arrive to my desk, the work is already done, results in real time, i love them. what a wonderful working tool.

But for this hobby? nah... they lack in a lot of fields.

It's for this, companies panicked? Uau...
There are people who have published books and shown in museums with photos from the iPhone. The average person uses their phone these days. It isn’t for me, but if you think they aren’t capable, you’re using the wrong phone.
The 'average person' uses a phone to make pictures that are viewed on other phones on small screens. How good or usable a photo-phone is depends on subject and situation, in most more demanding situations photo-phones are 'lost'. And in many case the nominal resolution is more or less fake because the real usable resolution is much lower, caused by excessive noise reduction needed for tiny sensors.
 
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Any HX or WX will suffice to go against any phone.

Hey, even my G5X MKI or S95 will suffice, the only field that a phone will win is making calls and messages.
And even in the field of making calls many modern phones fail, the user has to use an unusual holding to hear because the speakers are placed on a bad position.
I don’t think you’ve tried the best phones then.
I have two phones i have more than 25k photos ( work related) and while they are very handy for the task it still baffles me how poor they are with a flash

1- they are from the same brand ( A32 and S21 Ultra) but how different their sensibility is with auto flash
I think you cannot base your opinion on these phones.
I am not an expert in 'photo-phones' but i think a >900€ phone should be state-of-the-art.
If he paid $900+ for an A32 or the S21 Ultra, then I don’t know what to say…
2- the lack of a auxiliary focus light results of frames with nothing in focus, if i don't chose a focal point in the screen

Zoom, they are hopeless

colour rendition, hopeless

textures, mediocre

Handling, ergonomics, hopeless
Full approval
To work with they are amazing ( specially when paired with a app), i have my work in the palm of my hand, information always available, i don't need to be at work to work, it was a huge step up in optimizing my workflow and enhance my productivity , i don't have to be at my desk to work, often, when i arrive to my desk, the work is already done, results in real time, i love them. what a wonderful working tool.

But for this hobby? nah... they lack in a lot of fields.

It's for this, companies panicked? Uau...
There are people who have published books and shown in museums with photos from the iPhone. The average person uses their phone these days. It isn’t for me, but if you think they aren’t capable, you’re using the wrong phone.
The 'average person' uses a phone to make pictures that are viewed on other phones on small screens. How good or usable a photo-phone is depends on subject and situation, in most more demanding situations photo-phones are 'lost'. And in many case the nominal resolution is more or less fake because the real usable resolution is much lower, caused by excessive noise reduction needed for tiny sensors.
 
I am not an expert in 'photo-phones' but i think a >900€ phone should be state-of-the-art.
Those phones don't cost over €900.

Anyway, the best photos are probably taken with OnePlus 12 (three large 50mp sensors with Hasselblad optics), Google Pixel 8 Pro, Samsung S24 Ultra and/or iPhone 15 Pro Max.

It seems these aren't far off a modern MFT in terms of image quality.

I just wish they came with flicker free screens.
 
Best because it was £80 brand new

Best because it has a 28mm wide end with 5x optical and reliable AE/AF

Best because it has USB charging

Best because it takes better photos in daylight than my mid range Nokia phone

And best of all, if I drop it in a river and destroy it, I would just buy another which makes using it stress free Kodak FZ55

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That does look very handy.

Could you post a couple of example photos from it ? A street scene for instance.

Don
 
Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

If you want best image quality, go GR III or GR IIIx depending on the focal length you want.
An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
 
Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

If you want best image quality, go GR III or GR IIIx depending on the focal length you want.
An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
If you are going to use the zoom often at the longest point , probably yes, otherwise if happy withthe 24-200mm equivalent range and the occasional cropping, the RX will be a better camera.
 
Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

If you want best image quality, go GR III or GR IIIx depending on the focal length you want.
An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
It isn't pocketable and / or it has a small sensor.
 
While you are right about overpriced, they are more expensive than when new and are not getting any younger. I’d say that fits the definition.
Nothing is overpriced unless it doesn't sell.
 
Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

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An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
It isn't pocketable and / or it has a small sensor.
What do you think of the Canon G7X Mark III? It's not weatherproof, but it seems to have a good balance of features
 
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While you are right about overpriced, they are more expensive than when new and are not getting any younger. I’d say that fits the definition.
Nothing is overpriced unless it doesn't sell.
Well, they didn’t sell well when Fuji made them, but now due to a lack of supply of this type of camera and today’s higher prices on new gear, they’ve went up.
 
Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

If you want best image quality, go GR III or GR IIIx depending on the focal length you want.
An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
It isn't pocketable and / or it has a small sensor.
It is very pocketable, too much pocketable if you ask me ( same body than the RX100s, the older HX50/60 bodies had better ergonomics) and they are pretty good, nonetheless.

LL e.g. HX99 it has a sturdier "performance" than HX older models.

I guess RX100s were never meant for me

Same type of sensor, the Panasonic has one cam with 360mm e.g.

Some time ago i did my average of my most used focal length...210mm

the rx100 lens would be a wide lens for me.

But i like HXs



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Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

If you want best image quality, go GR III or GR IIIx depending on the focal length you want.
An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
It isn't pocketable and / or it has a small sensor.
It is very pocketable, too much pocketable if you ask me ( same body than the RX100s, the older HX50/60 bodies had better ergonomics) and they are pretty good, nonetheless.
Well, there are a lot of HX models and some of them are bridge cameras... that was my point.
LL e.g. HX99 it has a sturdier "performance" than HX older models.

I guess RX100s were never meant for me

Same type of sensor,
They are 1" sensor cameras?
the Panasonic has one cam with 360mm e.g.

Some time ago i did my average of my most used focal length...210mm

the rx100 lens would be a wide lens for me.
The RX100 has 200mm on some models.
But i like HXs
That's all that matters...
 
I write this as a serious ameteur photographer, and have been since 1965.

Cell phones are amaizing devices, but they are lousy telephones. Telephones have a major role in safety and social interactions. They should be first and foremost excellent telephones.
 
Good zoom + weatherproofing doesn't exist for a point and shoot as far as I know.

If you want good zoom, go RX100M6 or M7.

If you want best image quality, go GR III or GR IIIx depending on the focal length you want.
An HX has better ( bigger zoom)
It isn't pocketable and / or it has a small sensor.
It is very pocketable, too much pocketable if you ask me ( same body than the RX100s, the older HX50/60 bodies had better ergonomics) and they are pretty good, nonetheless.
Well, there are a lot of HX models and some of them are bridge cameras... that was my point.
I know, same thing goes for RX's
LL e.g. HX99 it has a sturdier "performance" than HX older models.

I guess RX100s were never meant for me

Same type of sensor,
They are 1" sensor cameras?
No, their sensors are 1/2 3" but they do the job well, in good light, even at night...as long there's plenty of light around, Panasonic has two cameras with same type of sensors both with longer zooms than RX100s
the Panasonic has one cam with 360mm e.g.

Some time ago i did my average of my most used focal length...210mm

the rx100 lens would be a wide lens for me.
The RX100 has 200mm on some models.
But i like HXs
That's all that matters...
Thing is, i started ( more "serious" ) with a HX-50 (720mm ). Big zooms, tiny sensors can get closer to subjects ( close focus) not just for grabbing distant things in wide and at the far end, i like details.

RX100's never truly caught up, their last hurrah was just...200mm.

But that can be a double edge sword, e.g with my bigger cams, i'm having trouble choosing the lens for them, last year i did my vacations with a 100-400 mm lens and it was nice, i didn't miss anything beneath 100 mm.

I'll get now 200 mm primes for them as a "walking" around lens, better IQ and so on...but while i will gain in the rendering department, it wont be the same thing.

HXs i really like them, but they disappeared.

For a more compact factor i spent this night watching 35 mm lens reviews ( for the close focus capabilities) over 50 mm or 85 mm.
 
The T series from Sony will...

(one of the early Minolta/Sony joint efforts...)



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For me, it's a cell phone. I have yet to find another camera that will actually fit in my jeans pocket.
HX compact range ( 7 cams at least, if you like older it's like 10 ), RX compact range ( 7 cams )

G5X mk whatever, G9X, G7X ( more 3 )

TZ-57, TZ-80, TZ-90, tz-100, TZ-200 ( 5 more )

S90, S95, S100, S120 ( more 4 )

Nikon coolpix A

All of them fits in your back pocket jeans.

Front pocket, there's still, at least, 13 cams that will fit comfortable, 9 with a EVF.

If you use a shirt with pockets, You use a shirt, right?

you could have

GM1, GM5

In the winter, you use a jacket, right?

Nikon a900, Nikon a1000, sony a6000 with kit lens

G5X MK I, G1 MK III...

+30 cams From1/2 3" to full frame

And that was just from the top of my head. i left some out.

Yes, it's really hard to find one that would fit your jeans pocket :)
 
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For me, it's a cell phone. I have yet to find another camera that will actually fit in my jeans pocket.
My RX100vii camera will fit in my jeans pockets but I never do it. Instead, I carry it in a belt pouch.
 

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