As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
Mostly true.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
This is sound advice, however despite the bad rep Intel's getting here, 13th and 14th gen are still good choices, if, you update your motherboard bios / firmware, and/or the upcoming microcode by Intel now. See how that works? Doesn't matter who plugs the tire, be it a plug or a patch... And many folks running non-offending motherboards, just don't experience it, ever.
Apple pushes 100c; I’ve had no problems despite pushing my stuff, hard, years later.I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
That's because Intel's statement about it was a comment on Reddit and not through the same communication channels to media as their statement about the microcode issue and upcoming patch. You can form your own opinion as to whether that was pure coincidence or “accidentally on purpose.”
Rather than setting PL1/PL1 values, I set ICC max to 340A. CPU temperature stays in the low 80s in CB R23 and my score is 38,000. For most intensive applications the temperature is a fair bit lower.I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
Which CPU gives you a Cinebench score of 38000? I can't find an option in my Asus Z790 board BIOS to set ICC Max.Rather than setting PL1/PL1 values, I set ICC max to 340A. CPU temperature stays in the low 80s in CB R23 and my score is 38,000. For most intensive applications the temperature is a fair bit lower.I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
For what it's worth my Dell Desktop with a 16 core i7 13th gen 13700 is nearly a year old and has no stability problems. There is a tendency when a small % experience a problem that it gets blown out of proportion.
Oh, you, need to make sure your bios is up to dateWhich CPU gives you a Cinebench score of 38000? I can't find an option in my Asus Z790 board BIOS to set ICC Max.Rather than setting PL1/PL1 values, I set ICC max to 340A. CPU temperature stays in the low 80s in CB R23 and my score is 38,000. For most intensive applications the temperature is a fair bit lower.I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
13900K on an Asus Z790 Strix.Which CPU gives you a Cinebench score of 38000? I can't find an option in my Asus Z790 board BIOS to set ICC Max.Rather than setting PL1/PL1 values, I set ICC max to 340A. CPU temperature stays in the low 80s in CB R23 and my score is 38,000. For most intensive applications the temperature is a fair bit lower.I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
Bingo. Herein is a large part of the problem.13900K on an Asus Z790 Strix.Which CPU gives you a Cinebench score of 38000? I can't find an option in my Asus Z790 board BIOS to set ICC Max.Rather than setting PL1/PL1 values, I set ICC max to 340A. CPU temperature stays in the low 80s in CB R23 and my score is 38,000. For most intensive applications the temperature is a fair bit lower.I have been using a 85C thermal limit set in the BIOS anyway. I just set Long Duration Power Package Limit to 125W and the Short Duration Power Package Limit to 150W. The CPU then does not exceed 75C in Cinebench. The Cinebench score is now 27,071 only 12.8% less than the typical Cinebench score of 31,062 for my CPU with more aggressive BIOS settings.As I understand it, the lifespan of our suspect CPUs (mine's an i5-13600K) depends a lot on the voltages and temps they've been operated on. I've been pretty gentle, thus so far, so good for me, but if it fails that'll be a good excuse to buy a latest-gen upgrade.
(I won't buy a second 13th or a 14th gen CPU; if this one fails I'll get by with laptops till the newest Ryzens and Core Ultras arrive.)
Internal CPU power management, CPU core/cache current limit. I think auto will set it to over 500A. I've set mine to 340A. Intel recommends 307A as the default setting but motherboard manufacturers have completely ignored the default recommendations.
I use an app called Core Temp. It monitors each processor core temperature, and I can set alarm and "throttling" levels. Makes sense, as some of your cores may be running hot and others not. No need to throttle all of them. Works well for me, gives me real-time data (if I want it) and I can tune it without getting into BIOS settings.
Pessimistic considering the PC is used daily and has been stable since I built it 16 months ago
Then why are you "concerned"?
Rude reply. What does "for people like you" imply? I routinely use my PC (self built) and cameras daily. My last PC lasted 10 years before I upgraded but still worked fine. I expect a CPU to last well beyond the warranty and have never had one fail in 30 years of building PCs. My only concern is I don't to be forced to buy another CPU, motherboard, memory etc then faff about building and configuring a PC due to a manufacturing fault due to poor product engineering.
Yes, it is rude. Let's keep disagreements civil.
