Hexlord79
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Sure, probably later tonight. I believe the issue is not really lens-specific but body.
Outdoor's all good, but probably because of faster shutter speed.
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Panasonic GH6/G9 II Shutter Shock?
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Outdoor's all good, but probably because of faster shutter speed.
Hexlord79
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Just a question, were you using AF-S or AF-C?
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Shutter shock must involve an over sensitive IS component plus a noisy/hard m-shutter.
Olympus bodies, which use IBIS on day 1 and therefore an imperfect IBIS system in earlier models were first found shutter shock (it had no IS lens that that era).
At that time, as Panny used IS lenses only, without an over sensitive IS lens basically shutter shock were not noticed despite of the noisy m-shutter. E.g. 14-45 on G1 or GF1/2... Shutter Shock was only realised when reviewers found the softness on output from 14-42PZ and GX1... More shutter shock suspected lenses were then realized subsequently. A reason why SS on Panny is not across the system but gear dependent. AFAIK the two f/2.8 zooms are not among those SS lenses.
From GX85 onward, Panny replaced it's old m-shutter with a new electro-magnetic controlled m-shutter and according to many, shutter shock (even for those known SS affected lenses) are reduced a lot.
The m-shutter of GH6/G9-II are among the latest, their chances to exhibit SS should be very small. As 35-100 is not known for SS, I am therefore wishing to look at your sample for closer examination. The point is SS will not produce blurry image. SS suffered image would only be softer than one without SS...
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Hexlord79
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Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
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As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
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Albert
** Please forgive my typo error.
** Please feel free to download my image and edit it as you like
**About my
G85: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63025800
GX850/GF9: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65326127
GX9: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67648667
James Stirling
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The H9 II still doesn't exist
Hexlord79
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Can I know what is this PIE about? I am using SilkyPix Raw Converter, which is not as user friendly as Nikon's NX Studio in terms of providing the relevant information.As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
If the results are inconsistent what would the reason be apart from SS? I feel it is already a conclusive proof, and so I would just move to EFC/ES from now on. I did the same for my Olympus cameras in the past where I just turn on Anti-Shock and set it to 0 sec as per Robin Wong's recommendation.
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Hexlord79
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Damn Panasonic works fastThe H9 II still doesn't exist
James Stirling
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Not when it comes to the true GX8 update I have been waiting on for yearsDamn Panasonic works fastThe H9 II still doesn't exist
James Stirling
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Can I know what is this PIE about? I am using SilkyPix Raw Converter, which is not as user friendly as Nikon's NX Studio in terms of providing the relevant information.As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
If the results are inconsistent what would the reason be apart from SS? I feel it is already a conclusive proof, and so I would just move to EFC/ES from now on. I did the same for my Olympus cameras in the past where I just turn on Anti-Shock and set it to 0 sec as per Robin Wong's recommendation.
Picture Information Extractor - EXIF IPTC | Picmeta Systems
EXIF/IPTC Toolkit with File Rename, Capture Date/Time Change, Lossless Rotation, Transfer. All RAW formats supported.
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Hexlord79
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Thanks! Too used to my usual apps like ACDSee etc .https://www.picmeta.com/products/picture-information-extractor.htmCan I know what is this PIE about? I am using SilkyPix Raw Converter, which is not as user friendly as Nikon's NX Studio in terms of providing the relevant information.As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
If the results are inconsistent what would the reason be apart from SS? I feel it is already a conclusive proof, and so I would just move to EFC/ES from now on. I did the same for my Olympus cameras in the past where I just turn on Anti-Shock and set it to 0 sec as per Robin Wong's recommendation.
James Stirling
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I am a bit stuck in my ways with software as well , some may even call me an Adobe sheepThanks! Too used to my usual apps like ACDSee etc .https://www.picmeta.com/products/picture-information-extractor.htmCan I know what is this PIE about? I am using SilkyPix Raw Converter, which is not as user friendly as Nikon's NX Studio in terms of providing the relevant information.As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
If the results are inconsistent what would the reason be apart from SS? I feel it is already a conclusive proof, and so I would just move to EFC/ES from now on. I did the same for my Olympus cameras in the past where I just turn on Anti-Shock and set it to 0 sec as per Robin Wong's recommendation.
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jrsforums
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I suggest you use ‘Auto’ shutter type as it will automatically switch between shutter types to best meet needs of lens and shutter speed and other uses, such as flash. Some trade offs discussed here Panasonic shutter modesCan I know what is this PIE about? I am using SilkyPix Raw Converter, which is not as user friendly as Nikon's NX Studio in terms of providing the relevant information.As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
If the results are inconsistent what would the reason be apart from SS? I feel it is already a conclusive proof, and so I would just move to EFC/ES from now on. I did the same for my Olympus cameras in the past where I just turn on Anti-Shock and set it to 0 sec as per Robin Wong's recommendation.
Hexlord79
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As mentioned I plan to do it this weekend.
jrsforums
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PIE is just an easy way to explore EXIF data, not another means of manipulating jpeg/RAW images. It produces similar results to Phil Harvey’s EXIFTOOL…with an easier interface. RawDigger, will also provide EXIF info (based on Phil’s tool), but does a lot other RAW exploration. There are also plugging tools for Lightroom. (BTW…I would be surprised if PIE did not use Phil’s tool, but..??)I am a bit stuck in my ways with software as well , some may even call me an Adobe sheepThanks! Too used to my usual apps like ACDSee etc .https://www.picmeta.com/products/picture-information-extractor.htmCan I know what is this PIE about? I am using SilkyPix Raw Converter, which is not as user friendly as Nikon's NX Studio in terms of providing the relevant information.As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
If the results are inconsistent what would the reason be apart from SS? I feel it is already a conclusive proof, and so I would just move to EFC/ES from now on. I did the same for my Olympus cameras in the past where I just turn on Anti-Shock and set it to 0 sec as per Robin Wong's recommendation.
jrsforums
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I generally switch between ‘auto’ and ‘ES’, as needed.As mentioned I plan to do it this weekend.
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It is a free EXIF reader.Can I know what is this PIE about?As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
Picture Information Extractor - EXIF IPTC | Picmeta Systems
EXIF/IPTC Toolkit with File Rename, Capture Date/Time Change, Lossless Rotation, Transfer. All RAW formats supported.
I find the free Silkypix might produce noisier image than some other converters I am using. So I would use it only when I must have to. The free (old) DXO OpticsPro 11 handled the RAWs from G85 well, much better than the free Silkypix Developer Studio 8 SE. I believe DXO PL should be able to do a good job too.
Says, focusing?
EFCS is a good option but it has its own limit. Sometimes I would have to go back to m-shutter.
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Albert
** Please forgive my typo error.
** Please feel free to download my image and edit it as you like
**About my
G85: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/63025800
GX850/GF9: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65326127
GX9: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/67648667
jrsforums
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It is a free EXIF reader.Can I know what is this PIE about?As per PIE (Picture Information Extractor), both images were shot with m-shutter.Here are some unscientific samples, one that looks pretty soft, and another that is pretty sharp (as it should be). It is pretty inconsistent to be honest.
Wish I could share same more samples from my private shoots though.
Image #1 is relatively softer than #2.
If SS kicked in, both image should perform the same. Therefore I would not think this could be a conclusive proof on SS on your combo (G9-II & 35-100).
I might happier to compare a few shots using e-shutter and m-shutter. If consistently images from m-shutter will be softer than those from e-shutter, on tripod or not, having IS disabled or not, it would be a definite proof of SS to the setup.
https://www.picmeta.com/products/picture-information-extractor.htm
I find the free Silkypix might produce noisier image than some other converters I am using. So I would use it only when I must have to. The free (old) DXO OpticsPro 11 handled the RAWs from G85 well, much better than the free Silkypix Developer Studio 8 SE. I believe DXO PL should be able to do a good job too.
Says, focusing?
EFCS is a good option but it has its own limit. Sometimes I would have to go back to m-shutter.
as we discussed in the other thread, I find the best option to choose is ‘Auto’ which will automatically switch between mechanical (MS) and EFCS (Hybrid) to protect against shutter shock (and to ES, if you need/select a shutter speed above 1/8000).
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Not sure on G9 etc, on my GX85, G85 & GX9, 14-140 could still show SS softness on m-shutter outside the usual auto shutter switching zone, i.e. slow as 1/8" or faster than 1/250"...
For sharpness output (I use 1:1 eximination rule), I would happier to choose using EFCS (if avaliable) or e-shutter manually for 100% SS avoidance. Auto shutter can simplify our operation, but if you have very high expectation, it might not always deliver.
YMMV.
For sharpness output (I use 1:1 eximination rule), I would happier to choose using EFCS (if avaliable) or e-shutter manually for 100% SS avoidance. Auto shutter can simplify our operation, but if you have very high expectation, it might not always deliver.
YMMV.
jrsforums
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I guess you didn’t read my post in the other thread. Panasonic Auto appears to maintain EFCS up to 1/500, then switch to mechanical….which should cover your concerns. Easy to check if you want to.Not sure on G9 etc, on my GX85, G85 & GX9, 14-140 could still show SS softness on m-shutter outside the usual auto shutter switching zone, i.e. slow as 1/8" or faster than 1/250"...
For sharpness output (I use 1:1 eximination rule), I would happier to choose using EFCS (if avaliable) or e-shutter manually for 100% SS avoidance. Auto shutter can simplify our operation, but if you have very high expectation, it might not always deliver.
YMMV.
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