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Euell said:
Digital Nigel said:
ishwanu said:
dstefan said:
ishwanu said:
dstefan said:
Does/can Topaz AI used as a LR Classic plugin output a DNG to LR similar to how LR’s AI Denoise works?
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See this:

https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/plugins/lightroom-classic

and this:

https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/functions/export
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Thanks, that’s very helpful. Couldn’t find these amidst all the marketing stuff on their site.

Any experience as to Topaz AI vs DXO PureRaw?
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I've never used PureRAW, but I have plenty of experience with Photo AI and PhotoLab's DeepPRIME NR options.
Euell said:
They both seem to do similar functions pre-demosiacing (or at least preserved as DNG). Of course, it seems DXO has more camera and lens specific underlying models, which makes me think it may be preferable. Just trying to decide which is worth the trial download to start with . . . .
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In many cases, NR and sharpening can possibly be closely matched by fine tuning both products. But PureRAW can do better lens corrections while Photo AI adds other things like face recovery, upscaling, and object removal. Depends on what matters most to you.
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Like you, I have lots of experience of Photo AI and PhotoLab, but not PureRAW. I regard Photo AI as a tool to enhance RPG image files, not as a raw developer. Yes, it can open raw files, but it’s a poor raw developer. PureRAW, on the other hand, is exactly what the name suggests: it’s a pure raw developer, with almost no image enhancement capabilities.

When I use Photo AI, it’s always after I’ve developed and edited the image in PhotoLab, but find that it needs further enhancements of the type available in Photo AI.
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Do you use Photoshop or LIghtroom as a bridge between Photolab and Photo AI ?
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No, I don't use any Adobe products. Why would a bridge be needed? I can export directly from PhotoLab to Photo AI.
 
tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
Corrections applied by PhotoLab are not included in image files produced by PhotoLab,
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Yes they are. I used this online EXIF reader and the PL corrections are included along with all the maker notes. EXIF & Metadata Viewer (exifmeta.com)
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Please post the full text of the result you see, and with any PhotoLab corrections noted.
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This is from a DXO PL7 image.
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Where do you see a record of any corrections applied by PhotoLab in this list?
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Tannin said:
Topaz has improved insofar as it isn't as heavy handed as it used to be. Still too heavy-handed, but it can be useful. I only use it for trying to rescue pictures that are a bit NQR - if I've got everything right in-camera and/or in PhotoLab, Topaz serves no purpose.

About half the time, it makes a NQR image worse. But the other half of the time, especially if you back the setting off a bit, it does good things I can't do any other way with any sensible amount of time and effort.

One thing that REALLY bugs me is that they STILL haven't addressed their hopeless inability to preserve EXIF data. Really primitive. It has become the merest routine for me to have to manually repair the EXIF data on a Topaz-processed image with ExiftoolGUI. It's an annoying extra step, and no other modern software needs it, only Topaz.

But sometimes it is the best tool for the task, so I put up with it.
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My settings on Photo AI seem to not be sticky the next time I bring it up. The are back to defaults (way too high) usually. Is that what you are seeing? I guess I might have to make a preset and use that instead.
 
ishwanu said:
tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
Corrections applied by PhotoLab are not included in image files produced by PhotoLab,
Click to expand...
Yes they are. I used this online EXIF reader and the PL corrections are included along with all the maker notes. EXIF & Metadata Viewer (exifmeta.com)
Click to expand...
Please post the full text of the result you see, and with any PhotoLab corrections noted.
Click to expand...
This is from a DXO PL7 image.
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Where do you see a record of any corrections applied by PhotoLab in this list?
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There isn't. That was a lapse of memory on my part. There is only mention of the software under the EXIF tab.



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tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
tbcass said:
ishwanu said:
Corrections applied by PhotoLab are not included in image files produced by PhotoLab,
Click to expand...
Yes they are. I used this online EXIF reader and the PL corrections are included along with all the maker notes. EXIF & Metadata Viewer (exifmeta.com)
Click to expand...
Please post the full text of the result you see, and with any PhotoLab corrections noted.
Click to expand...
This is from a DXO PL7 image.
Click to expand...
Where do you see a record of any corrections applied by PhotoLab in this list?
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There isn't. That was a lapse of memory on my part. There is only mention of the software under the EXIF tab.
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Yep. Most apps add their name there as new metadata.
 
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Digital Nigel said:
Euell said:
Digital Nigel said:
ishwanu said:
dstefan said:
ishwanu said:
dstefan said:
Does/can Topaz AI used as a LR Classic plugin output a DNG to LR similar to how LR’s AI Denoise works?
Click to expand...
See this:

https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/plugins/lightroom-classic

and this:

https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/functions/export
Click to expand...
Thanks, that’s very helpful. Couldn’t find these amidst all the marketing stuff on their site.

Any experience as to Topaz AI vs DXO PureRaw?
Click to expand...
I've never used PureRAW, but I have plenty of experience with Photo AI and PhotoLab's DeepPRIME NR options.
Digital Nigel said:
They both seem to do similar functions pre-demosiacing (or at least preserved as DNG). Of course, it seems DXO has more camera and lens specific underlying models, which makes me think it may be preferable. Just trying to decide which is worth the trial download to start with . . . .
Click to expand...
In many cases, NR and sharpening can possibly be closely matched by fine tuning both products. But PureRAW can do better lens corrections while Photo AI adds other things like face recovery, upscaling, and object removal. Depends on what matters most to you.
Click to expand...
Like you, I have lots of experience of Photo AI and PhotoLab, but not PureRAW. I regard Photo AI as a tool to enhance RPG image files, not as a raw developer. Yes, it can open raw files, but it’s a poor raw developer. PureRAW, on the other hand, is exactly what the name suggests: it’s a pure raw developer, with almost no image enhancement capabilities.

When I use Photo AI, it’s always after I’ve developed and edited the image in PhotoLab, but find that it needs further enhancements of the type available in Photo AI.
Click to expand...
Do you use Photoshop or LIghtroom as a bridge between Photolab and Photo AI ?
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No, I don't use any Adobe products. Why would a bridge be needed? I can export directly from PhotoLab to Photo AI.
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Does that enable you to return to Photolab once the changes have been made in PhotoAI ? Is Photo AI only outboard program you use? And, what software do you print from? The reason I ask is I use Photoshop for the bridge function, which allows for the flexibility of using using a number of other programs as "filters," which is quite convenient. And, printing from Photoshop with an Epson is a breeze.
 
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Euell said:
Digital Nigel said:
Euell said:
Digital Nigel said:
ishwanu said:
dstefan said:
ishwanu said:
dstefan said:
Does/can Topaz AI used as a LR Classic plugin output a DNG to LR similar to how LR’s AI Denoise works?
Click to expand...
See this:

https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/plugins/lightroom-classic

and this:

https://docs.topazlabs.com/photo-ai/functions/export
Click to expand...
Thanks, that’s very helpful. Couldn’t find these amidst all the marketing stuff on their site.

Any experience as to Topaz AI vs DXO PureRaw?
Click to expand...
I've never used PureRAW, but I have plenty of experience with Photo AI and PhotoLab's DeepPRIME NR options.
Euell said:
They both seem to do similar functions pre-demosiacing (or at least preserved as DNG). Of course, it seems DXO has more camera and lens specific underlying models, which makes me think it may be preferable. Just trying to decide which is worth the trial download to start with . . . .
Click to expand...
In many cases, NR and sharpening can possibly be closely matched by fine tuning both products. But PureRAW can do better lens corrections while Photo AI adds other things like face recovery, upscaling, and object removal. Depends on what matters most to you.
Click to expand...
Like you, I have lots of experience of Photo AI and PhotoLab, but not PureRAW. I regard Photo AI as a tool to enhance RPG image files, not as a raw developer. Yes, it can open raw files, but it’s a poor raw developer. PureRAW, on the other hand, is exactly what the name suggests: it’s a pure raw developer, with almost no image enhancement capabilities.

When I use Photo AI, it’s always after I’ve developed and edited the image in PhotoLab, but find that it needs further enhancements of the type available in Photo AI.
Click to expand...
Do you use Photoshop or LIghtroom as a bridge between Photolab and Photo AI ?
Click to expand...
No, I don't use any Adobe products. Why would a bridge be needed? I can export directly from PhotoLab to Photo AI.
Click to expand...
Does that enable you to return to Photolab once the changes have been made in Photo AI?
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No, it’s a one-way export process. There would be no reason to return to PL with the output file from PAI.
Euell said:
Is Photo AI only outboard program you use?
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No, I also use Affinity, and still have the older Topaz products. I also have Luminar Neo, but hardly ever use it.

Euell said:
And, what software do you print from?
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I don’t.
Euell said:
The reason I ask is I use Photoshop for the bridge function, which allows for the flexibility of using using a number of other programs as "filters," which is quite convenient.
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I can do that with Affinity. So, if an exported image needs more than TPAI, then I export to Affinity, and call Topaz, etc, as plug-ins. But, having said that, 99% of my images are processed entirely in PhotoLab, so TPAI doesn’t get used much.
Euell said:
And, printing from Photoshop with an Epson is a breeze.
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3.1.3 released yesterday.

Fortunately, Topaz for the last few releases has been focused on bug fixes. Photo AI in all releases after 2.3.2 was sort of a mess until 3.1.0, but now it is getting into good shape again. I stuck with 2.3.2 until 3.1.0.
 
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