Nikon D2X - My Prediction

James Rulison · Nov 27, 2003

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Marco Birri · Nov 27, 2003

wow !!! what did you smoke ?! ehehhe kiddin'

I'd say I'm a lot more reasonable 10 mpix, 4fps, iso 50 and up
(don't plan on using more than 400 anyways)

actually, I wouldn't mind same 6mpix that we already have in the d1x, I really just want a flash that's reliable, and a battery that will outlast AT LEAST a 1 gb card

James Rulison said:
Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Peter Ibbotson · Nov 27, 2003

Marco Birri wrote:
I really just want.... a battery that

Marco Birri said:
will outlast AT LEAST a 1 gb card

The D2h does that with ease: 1000+ shots. The real question is how much of that is due to the low power consumption of the LBCAST sensor, and how much to the Li-ion battery?

peter ibbotson

http://www.pbase.com/ibbo

daytontp · Nov 27, 2003

My D100 battery will outlast both of my CF cards. A lexar 1GB 32x card and a SanDisk 256MB Ultra card. But, I still own 2 batteries just in case.

Peter Ibbotson said:
Member said:

will outlast AT LEAST a 1 gb card

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The D2h does that with ease: 1000+ shots. The real question is how
much of that is due to the low power consumption of the LBCAST
sensor, and how much to the Li-ion battery?

peter ibbotson

http://www.pbase.com/ibbo

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garyh139732 · Nov 27, 2003

just wondering....have you heard anything about a D200?

James Rulison said:
Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

ib1yysguy · Nov 27, 2003

... only two that I can see anyway.

1) It will definately be called the D2x. How do I know? Take a look at the USPTO.com. They've already registered the trademark - which they havn't done for "F6"

2) It's going to be impossible for Nikon to make a 16 mp 1.5x camera with their LBCAST sensor and have it be usable. That's four times the resolution of the D2h, which means four times the pixel density, which translates to four times the noise. Even if they CAN get pixels that small, they aren't going to win any hearts over with a camera as noisey as that one would have to be - not when the competition has a better one (seems to me they could avoid all this by just eating their words and making a full frame imager, but what do I know).

Al

James Rulison said:
Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

Mr Majestyk · Nov 27, 2003

ib1yysguy said:
1) It will definately be called the D2x. How do I know? Take a look
at the USPTO.com. They've already registered the trademark - which
they havn't done for "F6"

2) It's going to be impossible for Nikon to make a 16 mp 1.5x
camera with their LBCAST sensor and have it be usable. That's four
times the resolution of the D2h, which means four times the pixel
density, which translates to four times the noise. Even if they CAN
get pixels that small, they aren't going to win any hearts over
with a camera as noisey as that one would have to be - not when the
competition has a better one (seems to me they could avoid all this
by just eating their words and making a full frame imager, but what
do I know).

Al

James Rulison said:

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Click to expand...

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

We will only see 16MP in a FF sensor be it Canon or Nikon. 16MP in a 1.5x crop sensor would have 4.9um pixels; very small and very noisy.

Rob Tobler · Nov 27, 2003

No trademark registered for D200 by Nikon. They do have a D70 that was registered in August 2003. Guess D200 might not be that close

garyh said:
James Rulison said:

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Click to expand...

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ib1yysguy · Nov 27, 2003

Mr Majestyk said:
ib1yysguy said:

1) It will definately be called the D2x. How do I know? Take a look
at the USPTO.com. They've already registered the trademark - which
they havn't done for "F6"

2) It's going to be impossible for Nikon to make a 16 mp 1.5x
camera with their LBCAST sensor and have it be usable. That's four
times the resolution of the D2h, which means four times the pixel
density, which translates to four times the noise. Even if they CAN
get pixels that small, they aren't going to win any hearts over
with a camera as noisey as that one would have to be - not when the
competition has a better one (seems to me they could avoid all this
by just eating their words and making a full frame imager, but what
do I know).

Al

James Rulison said:

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Click to expand...

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

Click to expand...

We will only see 16MP in a FF sensor be it Canon or Nikon. 16MP in
a 1.5x crop sensor would have 4.9um pixels; very small and very
noisy.

--
Al
http://www.pbase.com/ib1yysguy
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.

adanac · Nov 27, 2003

Does anyone know if they have F6 or D3 registered yet ?

Arjh

Rob Tobler said:
garyh said:

James Rulison said:

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Click to expand...

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PascalC · Nov 27, 2003

I just wondering, if Nikon will use their own sensor, how the noise will be managed ?

With only 4mpix on their JFET LBCAST sensor, the noise is not better than the D100/D1X/D1H...or Canon 1D.

So 16 mpix on a small sensor, it will be very noisy...

Dick- · Nov 27, 2003

Close...but it is the Sony 9 meg CCD....

James Rulison said:
Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

--
****

Rob Tobler · Nov 27, 2003

Does not look like it....The last two that were registered were the D70 and D2x. Nothing else so far...

adanac said:
Arjh

Rob Tobler said:

garyh said:

James Rulison said:

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

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Gabriele Sartori · Nov 27, 2003

****- said:
Close...but it is the Sony 9 meg CCD....

I understand where you are coming from, probably some Sony CCD data sheet that is circulating. If this is real though it is too little of a step in order to motivate all of us to change the camera(s). My S2 has today an equivalent resolution of about 9MP (When compared to a D100, D1x, or 10D) there is no reason for investing money on such a little incremental step. I understand, new features will be added but in order to make something really better than a D1X 9MP just don't fly in my opinion.

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beaver beacon · Nov 27, 2003

Likewise, I have yet to have my D100 battery go dead while shooting (though I have a second just to be safe.) It just keeps going and going and going. So I think the D2H's battery performance is due to the updated battery similar to the D100's rather than the new sensor technology.

daytontp said:
Peter Ibbotson said:

daytontp said:

will outlast AT LEAST a 1 gb card

Click to expand...

The D2h does that with ease: 1000+ shots. The real question is how
much of that is due to the low power consumption of the LBCAST
sensor, and how much to the Li-ion battery?

peter ibbotson

http://www.pbase.com/ibbo

Click to expand...

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Jesper S. Jensen · Nov 28, 2003

James Rulison said:
5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

First of all, I don't have that much knowledge on the pixel thing, and sensor size, that some or most of you have. But to me, it would be overkill to send out a camera with more than 10 MP. Even today, D-SLR's with 5 or 6 MP produces very beautifull prints even at A3+. Also, I guess anyway, it would slow down post production in PS or whatever, to work with these huge files ! But again, I'm NOT an expert on this - just a thought from my side!

What I would like to see, is lower ISO settings, eg. 100 or even 50.
--
Jesper S. Jensen
Denmark
C P 4 5 0 0 & F 9 0 X

Walter Freiberger · Nov 28, 2003

Since Nikon have registered the D70 and D2X trademarks but not yet the D200 trademark, it seems obvious that they will announce the D2X and D70 first. The next time to release both would be PMA.

It also makes sense to hold the D200 back say until summer or Photokina, since the D70 could market-wise become a cheaper replacement for the D100. The D100 could be slowly faded out and in summer a new D200 would outdo the specs of the D70.

I doubt they will release three new DSLR's at once. And the D70 and D2X are simply more urgent.

Well and who knows what Fuji will do with the S3.... (A 10-12mp S3 for PMA would be a good compliment to the D70.)

Walter

Rob Tobler said:
garyh said:

James Rulison said:

Here it is folks what I believe will happen you can beat me, whip
me or just wait and see. Then we can dig this thread up after we
all know. I am basing my prediction on what I have heard around
the net and friends. I am not some major photographer but a small
fry so take it for what it is.

D2X will be based on the same body as the D2H.

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Better more reliable information will start sneaking out late Jan
early Feb. I would expect a full announcement coming in Feb from
Nikon. Shipping small quantities very shortly after that with mass
quantities hitting the market July.

You can post what you think. If you want to know exactly where I
am looking email me at first-name @ last-name dot com.

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

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DavidMillier · Nov 28, 2003

Compare A3 landscape prints from a D100 and a Kodak 14n then say there is no point.... ;-)

Jesper S. Jensen said:
James Rulison said:

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Click to expand...

First of all, I don't have that much knowledge on the pixel thing,
and sensor size, that some or most of you have. But to me, it would
be overkill to send out a camera with more than 10 MP. Even today,
D-SLR's with 5 or 6 MP produces very beautifull prints even at A3+.
Also, I guess anyway, it would slow down post production in PS or
whatever, to work with these huge files ! But again, I'm NOT an
expert on this - just a thought from my side!

What I would like to see, is lower ISO settings, eg. 100 or even 50.
--
Jesper S. Jensen
Denmark
C P 4 5 0 0 & F 9 0 X

Derrick Siu · Nov 28, 2003

10MP FF low noise sensor
4fps
up to 16jpeg and 9 NEF
ISO 50 to 1000
street price under US$5000

Derrick

Jesper S. Jensen said:
James Rulison said:

5 - FPS
ISO Range 80-1600
Mega Pixels - 16
Sub frame - 1.5
Might be called the F6 and not D2X

Click to expand...

First of all, I don't have that much knowledge on the pixel thing,
and sensor size, that some or most of you have. But to me, it would
be overkill to send out a camera with more than 10 MP. Even today,
D-SLR's with 5 or 6 MP produces very beautifull prints even at A3+.
Also, I guess anyway, it would slow down post production in PS or
whatever, to work with these huge files ! But again, I'm NOT an
expert on this - just a thought from my side!

What I would like to see, is lower ISO settings, eg. 100 or even 50.
--
Jesper S. Jensen
Denmark
C P 4 5 0 0 & F 9 0 X

Jesper S. Jensen · Nov 28, 2003

DMillier said:
Compare A3 landscape prints from a D100 and a Kodak 14n then say
there is no point.... ;-)

Well, I've not had the chance to do this comparison, but I guess I would agree with you !
--
Jesper S. Jensen
Denmark
C P 4 5 0 0 & F 9 0 X

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