Focus peaking

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I’ve been using manual focus much more lately, and I’m pretty disappointed at the sensitivity of the peaking indicator on the Z8. It’ll often show me something is in focus but when I punch into the image it’s actually not. I have it at the highest sensitivity, but I’ve tried the lowest as well without appreciable difference. I use yellow highlights but tbh when everything looks yellow it’s easier to turn it off. Anything else I can do?
 
Below is a repost of my old comment from a focus peaking thread.

TL;DR:

"high sensitivity Peak 3" means a wider band of red. (That confused me at first!)

"low sensitivity Peak 1" is a narrow band.

Telephotos need different sensitivity settings than wide angles.

100% sometimes will barely show red when that same sensitivity works fine at full scene view.

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Testing today on my Z6 iii:

I see that Focus Peaking on the i-menu is easy: The front dial changes Peak 1,2,3. The rear dial sets On or Off. If Peaking is already highlighted on the i-menu, I just click the front dial to change Peak 1,2,3 and half press the shutter to set it.

Just now, I tested my 24-120 f/4.

At 24mm, even Peak1 is too wide. It is helpful in Manual Focus mode, along with the focus box turning green. With 100% zoom, it's minimal red, which works quite well.

at 120mm, Peak 1 barely shows red. Peak 3 works well. At 100% zoom, close up, Peak 3 is a very narrow band, matching what I can see as in focus here.

(With a little experimenting now, peaking seems a bit more forgiving than what I remembered from my Z6. Maybe I'll do some side-by-side tests.)

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From an old peaking thread :

Focus peaking shows areas of high contrast edges. Out of focus images have fuzzy edges, so they don't show the color.

From the useful Z6 Hogan Guide pdf:

Note that “high sensitivity” means that a broader area is
considered “in focus”, while a “low sensitivity” means that a
smaller area is considered in focus. If you’re being highly
critical in focus, you need to set 1 (low sensitivity). If you’re just
trying to get close quickly, consider using 3 (high sensitivity).
Nikon’s wording is probably backwards to what you’re
thinking.

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(I have autofocus lenses. Peaking works on those too. WIth autofocus turned on, the red only shows when holding down the autofocus AF-On or a half press shutter. Very useful. This works great for focusing when there's branches or similar objects in front of the subject.)

Testing just now, I got very little color peaking from a fuzzy microfiber towel, and lots of peaking from a page of printed text. So the lack of sharp edges affects the peaking.

Settings

I have the red video button set to "My Menu". I had added d10-Peaking Highlights to the menu, so I can quickly switch peaking sensitivity. But I have to click the menu selection, then click Peaking, then choose the peaking level. 3 steps.

But now I see that Peaking is available as a choice for the i-menu. That's even faster to switch levels and switch back again when done -- when the i-menu selection is on Peaking, the control wheel changes it's value, and pressing any button exits and saves the choice. Much faster.

I have my F2 button set to 100% zoom. It's useful for focusing and for reviewing images. It zooms to the focus point in the image.

I can zoom the reviewed image to see how sharp the whole focus peaking region was, compared to what I saw in red before taking the shot.

The peaking display gets a higher sensitivity when zoomed in 100%. This makes sense, otherwise the whole view might be red!

I normally leave it on the Peak 2 setting, but do change it as needed.

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50mm F1.8 lens:

peak level 2 or level 1 are good. Level 3 is too broad, I think. Peak 2 works well. Even peak 1 is good.

but at 100% zoom: peak 1 ("low sensitivity" = narrow range, precise focus) barely shows any red at all. Just very tiny bits of the zoomed area are a bit red.

Peak 2 is better. Peak 3, ("high sensitivity" = wide range), works great with the 100% zoom.

24-70 F4 at 24mm:

Peak 3, wide range, lights up most of the image! Not all of this is fully sharp when checking the image.

Peak 1, narrow range, still has a pretty wide band of red. Wide angle lenses have more of the image in focus.

200mm F5.6:

Using the 100% zoom, I find it just as easy to see the focus changing as I turn the focus ring. The red focus peaking isn't really needed.

Peak 3, wide range, showed a wide band of red. Not all of it was completely in focus when zoomed in to review. It did work pretty well with the 100% zoom, showing a reasonable amount of red to be helpful.

Peak 2: the nearest and farthest parts of the red band were a little out of focus, even when stopped down to F11.

Peak 1 has a narrow, and usable, band of red. But, at 100% zoom, it was essentially invisible, I rarely saw even a dot of red anywhere. But while zoomed, just seeing the image itself move in and out of focus was effective, no red peaking needed with this much of a telephoto.
 
Thanks for replies. Situation is a bit complicated by the fact I mainly use MF on anamorphic lenses, but I still hope the Z8ii improves on this. I'll continue on low sensitivity and punch in to the image.
 
I’ve been using manual focus much more lately, and I’m pretty disappointed at the sensitivity of the peaking indicator on the Z8. It’ll often show me something is in focus but when I punch into the image it’s actually not. I have it at the highest sensitivity, but I’ve tried the lowest as well without appreciable difference. I use yellow highlights but tbh when everything looks yellow it’s easier to turn it off. Anything else I can do?
Just an additional suggestion to those already posted:

Try using a monochrome picture control. Maybe bump up sharpness and contrast.

It is easier to see the peaking indicators and since they stand out more against the monochrome view and I find it easier to evaluate focus by eye are normal view and zoomed to 100%.

Experiment with different settings in a modified monochrome picture control. I typically have sharpness set to +7 and contrast to +2, but have a couple of other variations saved.

If you shoot .NEF you can apply the desired Picture Control/Profile with your raw converter.

Obviously this wont work if you are capturing .jpeg.

This is something I picked up from Thom Hogan. I don't recall if it was something he wrote or from a webinar.

This helped with autofocus in some situations with my Z5 but also helped me quite a bit with manual focus too. I mostly shoot with a monochrome picture control when using manual focus lenses now.

Compared to using the Neutral Picture control, which is what I use for most AF situations (I have different modifications to that saved too) I get consistently better MF success using a monochrome picture control.
 
Try using a monochrome picture control. Maybe bump up sharpness and contrast.

Compared to using the Neutral Picture control, which is what I use for most AF situations (I have different modifications to that saved too) I get consistently better MF success using a monochrome picture control.
Or at least a high contrast picture control. Show preview in exposure off. Knowing what lens, what you're shooting, and some samples would really help for the best recommendations.

For most Z cameras. I found that Level1 and 2 peaking only worked on high contrast objects, and Level3 was too much. The Z6III/ZF seems to have been improved focus peaking.

I have better luck with focus zoom which also turns into AF-S/M from AF-C. The big problem with that is that it un-zooms after you take a photo, so you can't take several images.
 
I’ve been using manual focus much more lately, and I’m pretty disappointed at the sensitivity of the peaking indicator on the Z8. It’ll often show me something is in focus but when I punch into the image it’s actually not. I have it at the highest sensitivity, but I’ve tried the lowest as well without appreciable difference. I use yellow highlights but tbh when everything looks yellow it’s easier to turn it off. Anything else I can do?
Just an additional suggestion to those already posted:

Try using a monochrome picture control. Maybe bump up sharpness and contrast.

It is easier to see the peaking indicators and since they stand out more against the monochrome view and I find it easier to evaluate focus by eye are normal view and zoomed to 100%.

Experiment with different settings in a modified monochrome picture control. I typically have sharpness set to +7 and contrast to +2, but have a couple of other variations saved.

If you shoot .NEF you can apply the desired Picture Control/Profile with your raw converter.

Obviously this wont work if you are capturing .jpeg.

This is something I picked up from Thom Hogan. I don't recall if it was something he wrote or from a webinar.

This helped with autofocus in some situations with my Z5 but also helped me quite a bit with manual focus too. I mostly shoot with a monochrome picture control when using manual focus lenses now.

Compared to using the Neutral Picture control, which is what I use for most AF situations (I have different modifications to that saved too) I get consistently better MF success using a monochrome picture control.
 
I'm exclusively using my Z5 with my fast Leica M lenses (finally a digital full-frame "Leica" I can afford!) and find focus peaking absolutely useless. It's just got too much range/width. The focus is a lot like regular focusing in that it's not ON/OFF: the lines start forming early, before focus, get stronger and stronger, then weaker past focus. It isn't just when there's a line, it's when it's strongest. The total range where something appears onscreen with my 50/1.1 at ten feet is about five feet--basically useless and completely insufficient for anything resembling accurate with that lens.

Given the terrible effect of having that red (or yellow) garbage on the display, anyway, I've programmed my AF Lock button (conveniently under my thumb) to 100%, and my ring finger F2 button to 200%, and use those instead. That works great once you get used to it and it's extremely accurate. Since I'm coming from Leica M4s, with auto-nothing, it's not really an inconvenience to me.
 
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I've found that focus peaking - which I use regularly since I have the three Voigtlander Apo Lanthars which are MF - really works best when you utilize the peaking with 100% magnification. It's not accurate enough when zoomed out, as you've found.
I've experienced the same on all Z cameras I've used, even with sensitivity cranked up all the way. It's disappointing.
 
+1 on zooming in to 100% when using peaking if you want to achieve critical focus. Remember that the peaking is working at the resolution of your EVF or LCD screen: on a Z8, that's only 1280x960 for the EVF.
 

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